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[10:47] Bruce.Patton @metaversesims.net:9000: Hi Tiffany [10:47] Tiffany Sicling: hi bruce [10:47] Bruce.Patton @metaversesims.net:9000: looks like I can't sit [10:47] Charles Krinke: Oh sure. There are two or three things happening. One is the fixed last names on SL. Another is those who wish to remain anonymous. I suspect the HyperGrid and interop will evolve both those notions over the next year [10:48] Tiffany Sicling: I chose to sit, but it looks like I am standing in the cushion [10:48] Bruce.Patton @metaversesims.net:9000: yes me too [10:48] Tiffany Sicling: lol [10:48] Bruce.Patton @metaversesims.net:9000: Hi Fly Man [10:48] Fly Man: Ahh, look at that [10:48] Fly Man: There's PPL here :p [10:48] Fly Man grins [10:48] Tiffany Sicling: hi Fly man :) [10:49] Bruce.Patton @metaversesims.net:9000: ah Fly Man arrives and we can sit lol [10:49] Tiffany Sicling: I am still standing [10:49] Tiffany Sicling: I'll try it again [10:49] Bruce.Patton @metaversesims.net:9000: now we are both staning rofl [10:49] Fly Man: Haha [10:49] Fly Man: I change the seats ;) [10:49] Tiffany Sicling: I guess I'll stand lol [10:50] Fly Man: When I enter this part, the seats are doing what they should [10:50] Tiffany Sicling: I got tossed up and out of the building [10:50] Fly Man: Hmm [10:50] Fly Man: I'm not quite ready at my own Conference place [10:50] Adelle Fitzgerald: ellos [10:50] Bruce.Patton @metaversesims.net:9000: It's one of those things, when I type I stand [10:50] Fly Man: but I will try to have the meeting next at my place :) [10:51] Fly Man: Ahh, it's getting crowded :) [10:51] Fly Man: Hope I have enough seats ;) [10:51] Bruce.Patton @metaversesims.net:9000: hehe [10:51] Fly Man: Bruce, you're still a cloud to me [10:51] Bruce.Patton @metaversesims.net:9000: Greetings Adelle and Kitto [10:51] Tiffany Sicling: well, we can stand in the cushions or on the floor lol [10:51] Fly Man: Hmm [10:52] Tiffany Sicling: oh yea!! I'm sitting now [10:52] Fly Man: K, let me grab my notes from last time [10:53] Fly Man: then we will start :) [10:53] Tiffany Sicling: I understand the remoting port is now obsoleted [10:53] Bruce.Patton @metaversesims.net:9000: Greetings Charles [10:53] Tiffany Sicling: hi Charles [10:53] Charles Krinke: Morning, all [10:53] Adelle Fitzgerald: hi Charles [10:54] Kitto Flora: Hello [10:54] Tiffany Sicling: I clicked on the arm of the couch and it finally sat me [10:54] Charles Krinke: Is itjust me, or are we laging more tnhen mornal. [10:55] Adelle Fitzgerald: well that depends what 'mornal' is really like, but seems ok to me :P [10:55] Bruce.Patton @metaversesims.net:9000: Hi BlueWall [10:55] Kitto Flora sees a TD of 1 [10:55] Tiffany Sicling: I've noticed my regions lagging more than their normal lately after last few updates [10:55] Adelle Fitzgerald: hi BlueWall [10:55] BlueWall Slade: Hi Adelle [10:56] Tiffany Sicling: but the lagging doesn't last long, a min or two [10:56] Adelle Fitzgerald: my regions seem to be fine for me, same as usual [10:56] Kitto Flora: I found it very difficult to connect to OSgrid today [10:56] Bruce.Patton @metaversesims.net:9000: Hi Orion [10:56] Kitto Flora: Many hung at connecting to region [10:57] Orion Hax: hi everyone [10:57] Adelle Fitzgerald: hi Orion [10:57] Tiffany Sicling: I spent about an hour tryin gto bet back on my home region today [10:57] Tiffany Sicling: restarted it, updated it... then after a while... no problems [10:57] Fly Man: Ahh, that's better :) [10:58] Fly Man: Morning Charles :) [10:58] Fly Man grabs his notes [10:58] Fly Man: K, welcome all :) [10:58] Charles Krinke: Hi, Fly-Man. I think now that we are all loaded, maybe performance will pick up [10:58] Fly Man: A large upcome then last times [10:58] Fly Man: Thank you for being here :) [10:58] BlueWall Slade: we're loaded? [10:59] Charles Krinke: Should this meeting partly become an agenda setting time for "Office Hour" ? on Tuesdays? [10:59] Fly Man: Well, there were some Q's that I had heard last meeting [11:00] Charles Krinke: Lets do it. [11:01] Fly Man: A question I heard last time, "Will there be a new preferred version" [11:01] Fly Man: The answer to that would be "Hopefully after the next Office Hours this Tuesday" [11:02] Fly Man: as I heard that the 8606 was a stable one [11:02] Fly Man: but heard from some ppl that they had trouble having it connect to Osgrid [11:02] Fly Man: so i'm leaving the preferred version as told on the OSgrid website [11:02] Fly Man: r8573 [11:03] Bruce.Patton @metaversesims.net:9000: right [11:03] Charles Krinke: Nebadon was picking the stable based on the plazas to date. Perhaps the question becomes "How can we imrpove that method?". [11:03] Bruce.Patton @metaversesims.net:9000: seems to work well with HG too [11:03] Fly Man: Well, I was thinking we could ask ppl that run a region about the version they're running [11:03] Fly Man: and if it works for them [11:03] Fly Man: if we have a stability on more then 40 regions [11:04] Fly Man: then that would become the preferred ? [11:04] Fly Man: Another idea, and that would be a CORE insert [11:04] BlueWall Slade: do we have a set of requirements/questions? Or would it be an opinion based thing? [11:04] Fly Man: to have the region send his version up when registering [11:04] Charles Krinke: Personally, Iwould like to see this become a community decision. I think the question becomes, who polls and leads that effort [11:05] Adelle Fitzgerald: but you could have a lot of different versions running at once on the grid, maybe 20 different versions, even more [11:05] Charles Krinke: It has been an opinion based on the plazas reliability, but it can certianly evolve. [11:05] Tiffany Sicling: I would love to see a console command that would show connected sims and version data of them [11:06] Fly Man: Well, Tiffany, for the 0.7.0 release [11:06] Fly Man: if you look at the roadmap on the Mantis [11:06] Charles Krinke: Thats a good one, Tiffany. If you make a Mantis and let me know, I will add an amplifying note for the feature request [11:06] Fly Man: then you'll see that it's there [11:06] Jos Joszpe: evening everybody [11:07] Charles Krinke: +1 [11:07] Fly Man: Evening Jos :) [11:07] Bruce.Patton @metaversesims.net:9000: Hi Jos [11:07] Charles Krinke: Hi, Js [11:07] Starky Rubble: hi all [11:07] Tiffany Sicling: oftentimes someone says they can see xxxx sim and I cannot, vice versa... at least that would help determine if it's a client cache or not giving the illusion [11:07] Fly Man: For more information: http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=2923 [11:08] Tiffany Sicling: I'll make a mantis for that :) [11:08] Tiffany Sicling: hi Jos [11:08] Jos Joszpe: hi [11:08] Fly Man: Tiffany, make the Mantis and link it to that one I mentioned :) [11:08] Charles Krinke: Tiffany. I see a similar effect sometimes and assume it is "notwork" packet loss [11:08] Tiffany Sicling: will do :) [11:08] Tiffany Sicling: ty [11:09] Fly Man: Okay [11:09] Fly Man: Another point that was brought to my attention is the OSGrid website posed a threat [11:09] Fly Man: As some "nasty" people wanted to do evil with UUID's of regions [11:09] Fly Man: and trying to take over a region [11:10] Fly Man: As of this Friday, this problem has been solved on the website [11:10] Starky Rubble: clap clap [11:10] Jos Joszpe: excuse me ... I just was told of this meatring [11:10] Fly Man: Welcome Jos :) [11:10] Jos Joszpe: could you pls shortly explain the goal = [11:10] Fly Man: Jos, sure :) [11:10] Fly Man: This is the Q&A Meeting [11:10] Tiffany Sicling: can an 'evil' region still get UUID information from a sim if it connects touching another sim ? [11:11] Fly Man: Yes, that's a good Q Tiffany [11:11] Jos Joszpe: thx [11:11] Fly Man: and I would not have the answer [11:11] Fly Man: Jos, and the users can ask Q's here :) [11:11] Fly Man: and hopefully we can answer some of them [11:11] Adelle Fitzgerald: i checked on my regions, but nothing shouted it at me Tiffany [11:11] Jos Joszpe: I did gewt it ... lol [11:11] Jos Joszpe: I have some too ... lol [11:11] Fly Man: if not, I always try to answer them the next meeting [11:12] Jos Joszpe: can I just shoot = [11:12] Tiffany Sicling: unfortunately, security is an issue because there are 'evil' minds in the world [11:12] Jos Joszpe: = = questionmark [11:12] Fly Man: And as Charles just mentioned [11:12] Fly Man: Are there any things you would like to be taken in account for the next Office Hours Meeting [11:13] Kitto Flora: I have a general question: OSgrid has options for various physics engines. Is the one of choice 'ODE', and if so, how much support is being given to the others? [11:13] Fly Man: Kitto, all other physics engines are being worked on when there's a new revolution [11:13] Fly Man: the ODE is the preferred one [11:14] Simulator Version v0.5 shouts: OpenSimulator Server 0.6.3.8640 (OS Fedora release 9 (Sulphur) Kernel \r on an \m) ChilTasks:True PhysPrim:False [11:14] Kitto Flora: What is 'a new revolution'? [11:14] Fly Man: And with a new revolution I mean that ppl that want to use it send in patches for them [11:14] Tiffany Sicling: hi Aramis [11:14] Aramis Soren: hi all [11:14] Fly Man: Hey Aramis :) [11:14] Jos Joszpe: hi [11:14] BlueWall Slade: Hi [11:14] Charles Krinke: Kitto. I would say I see very few patches for any physics but ODE in recent months. [11:14] Bruce.Patton @metaversesims.net:9000: hi Aramis [11:15] Fly Man: But feel free to experiment with the other engines [11:15] Fly Man: or even make a new one if you can [11:15] Kitto Flora: OK, TY.. it sounds like ODE is the one to work with. [11:15] Fly Man: But mostly less patches for the others makes ODE the preferred one :) [11:15] Tiffany Sicling: Kitto: I use ODE and meshmerizer [11:16] Kitto Flora: My interest is in the physics (dynamics) ( of course) [11:16] Fly Man: Kitto, I know :) [11:16] Fly Man: I heard about the famous Kitto Trains ;) [11:16] Starky Rubble: ?? [11:17] Fly Man: Okay, the time has come for the Q's [11:17] Fly Man: and hopefully some A's ;) [11:17] Starky Rubble: heh [11:17] Jos Joszpe: lol [11:17] Fly Man: I'll start at the left: [11:17] Kitto Flora: Fixing sim physics is bad enough. Trying to do it for multiple engines is ... conter productive :) [11:17] Adelle Fitzgerald: has the 'avatar logging as ruth' issue been sorted yet? I know its much better than it was but I still ocasionally log in as ruth [11:17] Fly Man: Bruce ? [11:17] Fly Man: Any Q's you want to share ? [11:18] Jos Joszpe: I do [11:18] Bruce.Patton @metaversesims.net:9000: Nope thanks not right now [11:18] Tiffany Sicling: ? [11:18] Fly Man: K, Kitto ? [11:18] Kitto Flora: I just asked it :) [11:18] Kitto Flora: TY :) [11:18] Fly Man: K :) [11:18] Fly Man: If you can make patches for ODE [11:18] Fly Man: that work for you [11:18] Fly Man: Please do :) [11:19] Kitto Flora: I Did already - well in the interface. The fly patch [11:19] Tiffany Sicling: Is there any plans to include postgresql as a database of choice in a future release? [11:19] Fly Man: Mantis them and make sure you set the Patch included one [11:19] Fly Man: Tiffany, i'll hold your Q's until I reach you ;) [11:19] Fly Man: But I can answer them both :p [11:19] Tiffany Sicling: k [11:19] Fly Man: Blue ? [11:19] Fly Man: Any Q's from you [11:19] Fly Man: and No, I can't buy you a Ferrari ;) [11:19] BlueWall Slade: none today, thanks. [11:19] BlueWall Slade: hehe [11:20] Fly Man: Adelle ? [11:20] BlueWall Slade: the events [11:20] Adelle Fitzgerald: has the 'avatar logging as ruth' issue been sorted yet? I know its much better than it was but I still ocasionally log in as ruth [11:20] Fly Man: Adelle, I've seen that Diva was working on avatar appearance [11:20] Fly Man: so I think best is to ask her if it's all done [11:20] Adelle Fitzgerald: kk, thanks [11:21] Fly Man: For the ppl that have problems with their appearance [11:21] Fly Man: We released a new part of the OSGrid website [11:21] Fly Man: Self-Service [11:21] Fly Man: If you click on the Change Account tab [11:21] Fly Man: a new submenu will arise [11:21] Fly Man: On that page there's a button where you can purge your appearance [11:21] Aramis Soren: excellent [11:21] Tiffany Sicling: nice [11:21] Fly Man: so you'll show up as Ruth once again [11:21] Adelle Fitzgerald: cool :) [11:22] Fly Man: But be sure to use it only when needed [11:22] Fly Man: as I heard some ppl have large inventories [11:22] Fly Man: and don't hold their whole clothes and so in 1 place [11:22] Fly Man: K, Aramis ? [11:22] Aramis Soren: i noticed osgrid has about 800 less regions in last few days...? [11:23] Aramis Soren: was like 2200 now 1400 just curious [11:23] Fly Man: Yes [11:23] Fly Man: That's because we've made a start with the GC [11:23] Fly Man: Grand Cleansing [11:23] Aramis Soren: ah! kewl [11:23] Fly Man: As of Friday we started a Map texture system [11:23] Fly Man: so a map texture is update every 24 hours [11:23] Fly Man: and this also shoves out the "not working" regions [11:24] Fly Man: thus the 800 less regions [11:24] Charles Krinke: We are trying to encourage all region owners to keep their regions up 24/7 [11:24] Aramis Soren: cool more accurate like your who's online too [11:24] Aramis Soren: is that going into the wi also soon? [11:24] Fly Man: Yes, the Who's online shows the exact ppl that are online [11:24] Fly Man: Aramis, it's in there already [11:24] Fly Man: Everything you see in the website [11:24] Aramis Soren: rats i need to replace the old one then lol [11:24] Fly Man: is in the opensimwi project as well [11:25] Fly Man: I recently joined the development team for opensimwi in December [11:25] Fly Man: but these were the first updated patches [11:25] Fly Man: More will follow [11:25] Fly Man: in time .... [11:25] Fly Man: K [11:25] Fly Man: Tiffany :) [11:26] Charles Krinke: http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Office_hours some dditional sentences in the spirit of our last conversation, Fly-Man, concerning both meetings. [11:26] Tiffany Sicling: Is there consideration for postgresql in the future as a database of choice ? [11:26] Fly Man: Thank you Charles :) [11:26] Fly Man: Tiffany, Yes and No [11:26] Fly Man: Yes, Postgresql can be used as of this moment for an OpenSim grid [11:26] Fly Man: BUT: [11:27] Fly Man: No, there seems to be 1 problem with the NHibernateUserData that needs solving first [11:27] Fly Man: So until that solves, my advice would be [11:27] Fly Man: "Test enviroment" [11:27] Fly Man: Do not use in the Production yet [11:27] Tiffany Sicling: okay thank you :) [11:28] Fly Man: Charles ? [11:29] Fly Man: K, Starsky ? [11:29] Starky Rubble: No, I'm good [11:29] Starky Rubble: thnx [11:29] Charles Krinke: Yes, I would concur. Move slowly with postgresql for now. [11:30] Fly Man: and finally the man with lots of Q's [11:30] Fly Man: Jos ? [11:30] Jos Joszpe: yes [11:30] Jos Joszpe: first of all thx for asll the hard work [11:30] Charles Krinke: Tommil is making good progress, but we dont want to "fubar" existing grids. [11:30] Jos Joszpe: secondly I´m a bit of a noob and not very in to programming [11:30] Jos Joszpe: my son runs my server [11:30] Jos Joszpe: I´ll try to get him inhere sometimes [11:30] Jos Joszpe: I do have a few questions though [11:30] Jos Joszpe: I´m running version 8612 since a day or two ...since that I seem to be unable to load my inventory on my land , unable to get stuff rezzed or to take them from land any suggestions what to do [11:31] Fly Man: Okay, let's start with some simple Q's [11:31] Jos Joszpe: ok [11:31] Fly Man: What happens when you try to rezz something ? [11:31] Fly Man: Does it just time out ? [11:31] Jos Joszpe: first a day or so it gave a symbol [11:32] Fly Man: a Symbol ? [11:32] Jos Joszpe: we know that as `no parking alloweds [11:32] Jos Joszpe: allowed [11:32] Jos Joszpe: later it changed [11:32] Jos Joszpe: it seemed to allow rezz [11:32] Starky Rubble: ah the Ban [11:32] Jos Joszpe: but no rezz happens [11:32] Fly Man: Okay, is this your own region ? [11:32] Jos Joszpe: yes [11:33] Fly Man: Okay, I think this will take some more time then the meeting [11:33] Jos Joszpe: ok no problem [11:33] Fly Man: So I would suggest to meet after the meeting and have a look at it :) [11:33] Jos Joszpe: ok [11:33] Jos Joszpe: I´ll save the second q for the too [11:33] Jos Joszpe: one more q [11:33] Jos Joszpe: about finance [11:34] Jos Joszpe: how is the team doing on finance= [11:34] Jos Joszpe: can you get the costs dealt with = [11:34] Fly Man: What finance are you talking about ? [11:34] Jos Joszpe: well you are asking for donations [11:34] Jos Joszpe: you do run servers and stuff [11:34] Fly Man: Yes, I think Charles can answer this Q better then me :) [11:34] Jos Joszpe: charles = [11:35] Fly Man: I think Charles is afk at the moment [11:35] Jos Joszpe: okay [11:35] Charles Krinke: We have sufficient to run for a few months [11:35] Jos Joszpe: lol [11:35] Bruce.Patton @metaversesims.net:9000: mmh I have a question [11:35] Fly Man: Ahh, there he is :) [11:35] Jos Joszpe: yeah* [11:36] Jos Joszpe: okay goodtto know [11:36] Charles Krinke: We always need more money. My goal is to pay server leases one year in advance and we are 90 days ahead right now. [11:37] Starky Rubble: It would be great to have old 'thermometer' style signs somewhere so we can be aware of the funding level [11:37] Jos Joszpe: agreed [11:37] Starky Rubble: or have special project drives like a raid server or whatever [11:38] Fly Man: You mean something that Wikipedia does Yearly ? [11:38] Starky Rubble: because it is easy day-to-day not to think anout these issues [11:38] Charles Krinke: Yes, I concur. There will be a new web page for financial and grid admin stuff coming in a few weeks. [11:38] Jos Joszpe: I like it! [11:38] Starky Rubble: ummm... maybe at the Plazas [11:38] Starky Rubble: a discrete sign [11:38] Fly Man: Okay, Bruce, you did have a Q ? [11:38] Starky Rubble: like blues but more informative [11:39] Charles Krinke: I am also planning on a monthly report showing income, expenses and balance. [11:39] Bruce.Patton @metaversesims.net:9000: What is the situation with implementation of "Groups" [11:39] Starky Rubble: ahhhh groups... [11:39] Fly Man: Bruce, at this moment DeepThink is working on them [11:39] Fly Man: As you can see on the Gforge :) [11:39] Fly Man: As soon as there's any news about that, you'll find it there [11:39] Bruce.Patton @metaversesims.net:9000: thank you for the information [11:40] Charles Krinke: Lots o metaphorical smoke, just a little bit of fire. [11:40] Fly Man: Okay, then I must say that I'm amazed by the many people that came :) [11:40] Fly Man: Did go over my expectations [11:40] Fly Man: So thank you all for coming to the Q&A Meeting [11:40] Fly Man: and as nebadon would say [11:40] Jos Joszpe: I noticed we more than doubled the amount of visitors online in a month or 2 [11:40] BlueWall Slade: Thanks Fly Man [11:41] Starky Rubble: Thnak you too [11:41] Tiffany Sicling: Thanks Fly :) [11:41] Fly Man: "Now is a good time to not crash Wright Plaza" [11:41] Fly Man: Ghehe, see [11:41] Adelle Fitzgerald: hehe thanks Fly Man [11:41] Starky Rubble: heh [11:41] Fly Man: it only works with nebadaon I think ;) [11:41] Charles Krinke: <hrumph> [11:41] Jos Joszpe: yes .... lol ... remember my question please ... lets look into it if possible [11:41] Bruce.Patton @metaversesims.net:9000: Thanks Fly Man [11:41] Starky Rubble: What's a Famous Kitto Train? [11:41] Fly Man: Jos, we will in a minute [11:41] Jos Joszpe: thx [11:41] Jos Joszpe: brb [11:42] Tiffany Sicling: Sounds like OS and OSG is really doing some remarkable advancements :) [11:42] RetroDan Dezno: Thank you sir, very informative. [11:42] Kitto Flora: I make steam trains and other transport on SL. Have around 300 of them running there. [11:42] Starky Rubble: ohhh [11:42] Starky Rubble: very nice