[11:00 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, everyone.
[11:00 AM] Ubit Umarov: or a nice soap
[11:00 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Hi Andrew
[11:00 AM] Neil Adams: Hello Andrew.
[11:00 AM] Neil Adams: indeed
[11:00 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: A webserver teaching patience heh
[11:01 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: The loading icon goes round and round...
[11:01 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Oh finally it loaded
[11:01 AM] Ubit Umarov: pff tested it 1 hour ago and was +-ok
[11:01 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: It must be personal at this point, it just doesn't like me
[11:02 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: which browser?
[11:02 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: waterfox
[11:03 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: is that a thing?
[11:03 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: It's just firefox without some of the stupidity
[11:03 AM] Ubit Umarov: firefox returning from street in a rain day
[11:05 AM] Ubit Umarov: well about last week code..
[11:06 AM] Ubit Umarov: i made a small change on the use of ReaderWriterLockSlim
[11:06 AM] Ubit Umarov: we had code to guard lock from thread.abort
[11:08 AM] Ubit Umarov: we did lock and set a flag to mark it inside a try finalizer. That always did run before a thread abort, so preventing some rare cases where the lock could be aquired and then the thread aborted never releasing it..
[11:08 AM] Ubit Umarov: now dotnet does not have thread.abor, i removed that guard code
[11:08 AM] Ubit Umarov: .. so i did...
[11:09 AM] Ubit Umarov: ns thing
[11:10 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: I still don't get what was so bad about thread abort, the new cancel token thing is essentially just a while (run == true) so might as well use that. Not having the ability to kill a stuck thread seems regressive
[11:10 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: MS thinks no code could ever run away on its own despite how many checks you put in
[11:10 AM] Ubit Umarov: abort is a bad thing
[11:10 AM] Ubit Umarov: .net had it and a ton of warnings..
[11:11 AM] Ubit Umarov: a lot of the code is not resilent to it
[11:11 AM] Ubit Umarov: framework code
[11:11 AM] Ubit Umarov: like locks
[11:11 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Sure killing things like that is not great, but having code stuck isn't either
[11:11 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Imagine Dotnet AI Max edition
[11:12 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: I miss Clippy...
[11:12 AM] Ubit Umarov: well it did cause locks.. even worse ones :)
[11:12 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: at least it did not hallucinate
[11:13 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: I have to revisit that at some point, because of the new maptile code having used that in case that got stuck, which for some reason it still does
[11:13 AM] Ubit Umarov: if i remember we only did use it with the watchdog to kill timed out threads
[11:13 AM] Ubit Umarov: a bad thing...
[11:14 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Well we also have events which compiler complains about
[11:14 AM] Ubit Umarov: kinda ok with smartthread pool
[11:14 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Lots of things that aren't great, but the alternatives are a huge pain in themselves
[11:14 AM] Ubit Umarov: possible pretty bad with the framework pool or async tasks
[11:14 AM] Ubit Umarov: guess ms had scary reasons to remove the abort
[11:15 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: I'd say idiot proofing by removing things is not a great way of doing that
[11:15 AM] Ubit Umarov: the only way to kill a thread now is to ask it to quit, or at program exit
[11:16 AM] Ubit Umarov: but thread abort is bad in all things..
[11:16 AM] Ubit Umarov: a last resort thing
[11:17 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Sure, you are meant to write code that doesn't run away in the first place, but many things depend on external dependencies that might do that outside of our control, then what? Yes, last resort, but not having that option...
[11:17 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Then it gets stuck shutting down cause it cannot exit all threads and you have to sigkill it
[11:17 AM] Ubit Umarov: you are supposed to control the dependencies you use
[11:18 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: MS can't even do that properly...
[11:18 AM] Ubit Umarov: ofc will not go far with nuget
[11:18 AM] Ubit Umarov: and similar blind updates of dependencies
[11:19 AM] Ubit Umarov: in fact those issius are anotther reason to not use dotnet on serius projects
[11:19 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Control in many cases just means pinning versions and then wondering why the security vulnerabilities take down entire companies cause let's be honest hardly anyone has a good culture of keeping things up to date and vetting updates so they just don't do them
[11:19 AM] Ubit Umarov: a few years ago we had a presentation at oscc froma thales student..
[11:19 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Rolling the responsibility to the underpaid and overworked interns tasked with keeping decade old software working through MS nonsense
[11:20 AM] Ubit Umarov: no one did pay much attencion..
[11:20 AM] Ubit Umarov: but was abotu how control of dependencies is a fundamental security issue
[11:21 AM] Ubit Umarov: ofc.. you use apt/get also :p
[11:21 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: See sqlite for how fun that is though, I still have that on my todo list, but imagine my inclination to dig into that
[11:21 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Cringe so much I'm at risk of losing my teeth
[11:22 AM] Ubit Umarov: ofc you are.. eating all those chocolates....
[11:22 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: lol
[11:23 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: :)
[11:23 AM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: If you manage all those dependencies it's not going to run on all platforms and OS versions, and things will break eventually anyway
[11:24 AM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: so a tradeoff
[11:25 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: At some point all our db connectors will explode, postgres and sqlite are already problematic, mysql Ubit managed to fix, but who knows for how long that'll last
[11:26 AM] Ubit Umarov: ufff guess there is no updated linux distro with 32bit support for intel
[11:26 AM] Ubit Umarov: firefox removed it also
[11:27 AM] Ubit Umarov: why they do that and keep for useless arm chips etc... duhh
[11:28 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Even the pi is now 64bit so I wonder what's still 32bit, some microcontrollers?
[11:28 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: People running linux on car keys
[11:29 AM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Guessing some tiny low powered embedded stuff
[11:29 AM] Ubit Umarov: a otn of things have no need for 64b
[11:29 AM] Ubit Umarov: ton
[11:29 AM] Ubit Umarov: even opensim did run better in 32bit
[11:30 AM] Ubit Umarov: using half memory etc
[11:30 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Even back then I had simulators getting close to the memory limit though
[11:31 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: thankfully we don't have to use core any longer, so most can afford the extra memory
[11:31 AM] Ubit Umarov: well 32bit under win64 meant 2GB per process
[11:31 AM] Ubit Umarov: ofc on 32bit win it was 2GB for every thing
[11:31 AM] Ubit Umarov: :)
[11:32 AM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: ah those days
[11:32 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: I still deal with some embedded system that run with 32-bit boards.
[11:33 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: A lot of the 32bit stuff still exists, it's just dropped from mainline, doesn't mean you can't still get those things and build an image for those devices, just is more work
[11:33 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Creates jobs xD
[11:33 AM] Neil Adams: lol
[11:35 AM] Ubit Umarov: well intel suvived this long bc did maintain compatibility etc
[11:36 AM] Ubit Umarov: bit reason why they won to motorola.. back in the 8086/68000 days
[11:36 AM] Neil Adams: Didn't the usg just acquire a large portion of intel?
[11:36 AM] Ubit Umarov: the 68000 was alot better.. but the 8086 did run 8080 code with minimal efford
[11:36 AM] Ubit Umarov: well after that nvidia did buy a lot also
[11:38 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: Part of it came down to what got released first and the price of the chips.
[11:39 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: I try not to think about the landscape more than I need to cause of how dystopian it looks currently
[11:39 AM] Ubit Umarov: usg did buy like 8.9 billion usd (us biliion)
[11:40 AM] Ubit Umarov: just 1000 millions
[11:40 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Nvidia's pocket change
[11:40 AM] Ubit Umarov: well 8900 millions
[11:40 AM] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: Hello *grins*
[11:40 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, Lyr. You have to pick a different seat today.
[11:40 AM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: It looked dystopian 25 yrs ago
[11:40 AM] Neil Adams: Hello Lyr.
[11:40 AM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Hi Lyr
[11:40 AM] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: Yes, saw wisps at most seats *grins*
[11:40 AM] Ubit Umarov: vdidia did buy 5 billion it seems
[11:40 AM] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: great to see everyone, Hi Cuga
[11:41 AM] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: howdy Andrew
[11:41 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Yeah, bad me for assuming 25 years would make a positive difference huh
[11:41 AM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: actually gives me hope
[11:41 AM] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: hello Neil *grins*
[11:41 AM] Ubit Umarov: ohh ofc 25 yrs did a dif .. you have a lot less hair..
[11:41 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: after 9/11 everything went to the shitters
[11:42 AM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: gives me hope that it still looks not much worse that 25 yrs ago
[11:42 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Not everything, TSA salaries went up xD
[11:42 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: did they even exist 25 years ago?
[11:43 AM] Neil Adams: No, it used to be private security.
[11:43 AM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I meant 25 yrs on dev landscape, but yeah I think they started around then?
[11:43 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: there is a connection
[11:43 AM] Ubit Umarov: well back to opensim.. any news/questions... ?
[11:44 AM] Ubit Umarov: hmm all that.. hmmm
[11:44 AM] Ubit Umarov: :p
[11:44 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: I did some testing on the db writes, but still not completely finished with that
[11:44 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: hmm... ;)
[11:45 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: the final Win10 updated completely hosed a test installation and I finally gave up a) to fix it and b) reinstall because drivers are not longer possible to find
[11:45 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: so that was that last week
[11:46 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: I just handed MS the 30 bucks, Win10 shall remain
[11:47 AM] Ubit Umarov: you should know that that last update was to kill win10... not to install :)
[11:47 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Win11 updates aren't much better though
[11:47 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: exactly Ubit
[11:47 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I crammed Debian 13 into that partition, but of course not a replacement for Win10
[11:48 AM] Ubit Umarov: fun seems some ppl went back to win7
[11:48 AM] Ubit Umarov: no idea wahy
[11:48 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: My WIndows based laptop tells me there is an update available. I don't think I have enough free disk space to install it.
[11:48 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: you need 20 Gb
[11:49 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: I still have a server 2019 if you need a working machine, though it doesn't have a gpu for viewer testing
[11:49 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: Gavin, I don't have that much available.
[11:49 AM] Ubit Umarov: i have 25H2 there waiting..
[11:49 AM] Ubit Umarov: not sure i want it..
[11:49 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: well, don't update
[11:49 AM] Ubit Umarov: but ofc we have no word on what updates does
[11:49 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: Ubit, perhaps an indication of how much people disliked 8 so they went back to 7.
[11:50 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I need to be able to run graphics Vincent
[11:50 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: I could try to find a gpu for it and setup passthrough to it, I been meaning to explore that, just haven't found a decent gpu that fits in that server
[11:50 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: I wonder if the end of Win 10 will have much of an impact on existing grids.
[11:51 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: don't worry Vincent
[11:51 AM] Ubit Umarov: andrew ms expected those to move to 11.. not 7 :) ( 8 is not a thing )
[11:51 AM] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: in the past
[11:52 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I can still test many things, but that machine had both Intel and NVIDIA graphics cards so it was convenient to test on it
[11:52 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: Oh I know MS wants people to go to 11 but not everyone has a machine that meets the required specs.
[11:52 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: That's easy to circumvent Andrew, the bigger problem is that 11 is junk
[11:52 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: not going to buy one that's for sure
[11:53 AM] Neil Adams: until you get to 24h2.
[11:53 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: I will stay on 10 for another year and maybe longer until... if MS gets their act together, same thing happened with 7
[11:53 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: IIRC, you still need TPM (or some acronym like that) in the BIOS in order to boot it. I don't have that afaik.
[11:53 AM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I only have 2 apps I need Win for so I just virtualize it. Whats bad about 25H2 vs 24H2?
[11:54 AM] Ubit Umarov: guess the big problem was ssl changes
[11:54 AM] Ubit Umarov: there where not ported to 7
[11:54 AM] Ubit Umarov: i meant win 7 use problem
[11:55 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: You don't need tpm, not even secure boot, all just flags you can fake, MS trying to fight against thousands of upset users with enough collective knowledge to dismantle the entire kernel if they felt they have to
[11:55 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: MS lying through their teeth
[11:55 AM] Ubit Umarov: in fact i think i don-t have a tpm chip
[11:56 AM] Ubit Umarov: just cpu thing
[11:56 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: There was a good article detailing it is the gaming industry that has pushed the TPM requirement and not MS itself
[11:57 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Yeah lots of anti cheat systems that are great for rootkitting your own machine so a hacker can implant a backdoor into your bios
[11:57 AM] Ubit Umarov: well ms wanted it guess since there is such a thing
[11:57 AM] Ubit Umarov: but bet ms wants it also
[11:57 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Being stripped naked and there is still hackers in online games
[11:58 AM] Ubit Umarov: well you cant boot linux now also
[11:58 AM] Ubit Umarov: unless it is a autorized linux
[11:58 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: authorized by who?
[11:58 AM] Neil Adams: no dual boot?
[11:58 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: ?
[11:58 AM] Ubit Umarov: mandatory secure boot
[11:58 AM] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: Quick announcement: we're wrapping up the call for proposals for the OpenSimulator Community Conference. Last call for proposals.
[11:58 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: Since when and in which distros?
[11:59 AM] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: I've designed a tentative schedule and am adjusting it before sending out acceptance letters.
[11:59 AM] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: Many thanks!
[11:59 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: Lyr, ty. I was going to ask if you had any updates or information to share about the OSCC.
[11:59 AM] Ubit Umarov: all want to force secure boot
[11:59 AM] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: hehe I thought so, Andrew
[12:00 PM] Andrew Hellershanks: :)
[12:00 PM] Ubit Umarov: with taht active you can only boot some official distros
[12:00 PM] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: i'm in class and need to leave soon,- we had a great turn out on proposals
[12:00 PM] Ubit Umarov: can-t even boot one compiled by you
[12:00 PM] Ubit Umarov: it seems
[12:00 PM] Neil Adams: What sort of "unofficial distros" do you have in mind?
[12:00 PM] Ubit Umarov: things not fedora >;
[12:01 PM] Andrew Hellershanks: I stopped building my own kernel for desktop use when it got too complicated to get the right set of modules.
[12:01 PM] Neil Adams: like debian-based?
[12:01 PM] Ubit Umarov: or debian or ubuntu... nd a few more
[12:01 PM] Neil Adams: ah okay
[12:01 PM] Neil Adams: I was always fond of slitaz or openwrt
[12:01 PM] Ubit Umarov: all need to be proper signed
[12:02 PM] Ubit Umarov: like apple apps etc
[12:02 PM] Andrew Hellershanks: Who pushed for that change?
[12:02 PM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Apple still let you boot whatever you want by a switch
[12:02 PM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Not anymore
[12:02 PM] Ubit Umarov: ofc all in name of your security...
[12:03 PM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: When they switched to Solicon that ended
[12:03 PM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: actually apple made changes to the boot loader to enable booting Linux on their arm based machines
[12:03 PM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Windows? MS won't let them
[12:03 PM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I had a different understanding
[12:04 PM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: You have to use a Mac based bootloader to trick it to booting Linux, very complicated and only possible with Asaho Lunux's boot hack
[12:04 PM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Asahi Linux*
[12:04 PM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: MS won't let them because of an agreement with Snapdragon
[12:04 PM] Andrew Hellershanks: What is Snapdragon?
[12:04 PM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: yes, but you can do it
[12:05 PM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: an ARM processor MS is commited to
[12:05 PM] Ubit Umarov: hmm it was not from ms
[12:05 PM] Ubit Umarov: was qualcomm
[12:05 PM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: On latest Mac if you want to switch back to one partition after Linux you have to bring it to the Apple store for them to wipe the bootloader
[12:05 PM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: yes, but the processor is called Snapdragon ;-)
[12:06 PM] Ubit Umarov: it is not a processor.. it is a SoC :p
[12:06 PM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Not like the old days when you could have a qualrupile boot on a Mac
[12:06 PM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: well, you can say the same about the Apple processors more or less
[12:06 PM] Ubit Umarov: yeap same thing
[12:07 PM] Ubit Umarov: was to a a rival of apple silicon
[12:07 PM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: on mobile
[12:07 PM] Ubit Umarov: but many .. nvidia has on also etc
[12:08 PM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: not on desktop, but they have pushed it in that direction but it runs like dog shit compared to the M-series
[12:08 PM] Ubit Umarov: intel also had. some arm soc ages ago
[12:08 PM] Ubit Umarov: bit sold it LOL
[12:08 PM] Ubit Umarov: strongarm etc
[12:09 PM] Andrew Hellershanks: We are just past the hour. Anything more related to OpenSimulator for today?
[12:09 PM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: strongest there is
[12:09 PM] Ubit Umarov: XScale...
[12:09 PM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Just a couple quick things
[12:09 PM] Andrew Hellershanks: Go ahead, Cuga.
[12:09 PM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I need to dash
[12:09 PM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: once or twice a year I do a regression test so see what macOS versions still work
[12:09 PM] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: bye
[12:09 PM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: TC guys
[12:09 PM] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: Gavin
[12:09 PM] Neil Adams: see you later
[12:09 PM] Andrew Hellershanks: tc, Gavin
[12:09 PM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Tc Gavin
[12:10 PM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: With the latest Dotnet 8 and Opensim from trunk
[12:10 PM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Everything still works back to macOS 10.15 ! (Catalina)
[12:10 PM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: including unmanaged libs
[12:10 PM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: and works on latest
[12:11 PM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Thats one thing wanted to share
[12:11 PM] Ubit Umarov: guess dotnet is the major breaking thing for older OS
[12:11 PM] Ubit Umarov: ty
[12:11 PM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: yeah their docs did not say compatible that far back, but is
[12:11 PM] Ubit Umarov: ok rl calls
[12:12 PM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I rarely if ever talk about or recommend things in SL, but the virtual Burning Man over there is happening this week and weekend. One of the few things I'm involved in. My builds there get archived to my Opensim grid.
[12:12 PM] Ubit Umarov: see you all next week if not before :)
[12:12 PM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: tc Ubit :)
[12:12 PM] Andrew Hellershanks: ok, Ubit. See you next week.
[12:12 PM] Neil Adams: ttyl
[12:12 PM] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: Yes, it is great, Cuga. I exhibited in it and in its predecessor for many years
[12:12 PM] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: take care, everyone. I need to head back to class *waves*
[12:12 PM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Just wanted to drop that info
[12:12 PM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: tc Lyr
[12:12 PM] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: Thank you *grins* That's great
[12:13 PM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: thats all I have today
[12:13 PM] Andrew Hellershanks: I watched a series of videos made by someone who attended the RL Burning Man event. That told me I won't ever go to it.
[12:13 PM] Neil Adams: bye
[12:13 PM] Andrew Hellershanks: Thanks, Cuga.
[12:13 PM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: It can look horrible or great depending on who you talk to
[12:13 PM] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: well the virtual one is a celebration of creativity and reflection. I enjoyed it
[12:14 PM] Andrew Hellershanks: Yes, I have been to the virtual one a couple of times.
[12:14 PM] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: /me smiles fondly and poofs
[12:14 PM] Andrew Hellershanks: No one other than Cuga said they had anything more that was Open Simulator related for today so that should do it for another week.
[12:15 PM] Andrew Hellershanks: Thank you all for coming. See you again next week.
