[11:22 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I don't think it will survive the national parliaments
[11:23 AM] Ubit Umarov: Ok there where no code changes during last week
[11:23 AM] Ubit Umarov: we got a few Pull requests at github...
[11:23 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I must admit I had not logged in to opensim since the last meeting :-|
[11:23 AM] Ubit Umarov: not sure how i will process them...
[11:23 AM] Ubit Umarov: a few nice things.. some others not so..
[11:24 AM] Ubit Umarov: and kinda hard to handle that on those PRs
[11:24 AM] Ubit Umarov: in fact there is another one on hold
[11:25 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: can anything be said about future challenges in terms of Dot Net and opensim?
[11:26 AM] Ubit Umarov: i didnt test 9
[11:26 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: but what about version 8
[11:26 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: any looming issues there?
[11:26 AM] Ubit Umarov: that is working
[11:27 AM] Ubit Umarov: there is that issiuw with macs. still open
[11:27 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: which is?
[11:28 AM] Ubit Umarov: well only have that user report of crash on apple silicon
[11:28 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: oh, that user?
[11:28 AM] Ubit Umarov: yeap that user
[11:28 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: all righty
[11:29 AM] Ubit Umarov: vicent reported some issues with ubuntu libgdiplus
[11:29 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, everyone.
[11:29 AM] Ubit Umarov: think in last meeting also..
[11:29 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Hi Andrew
[11:29 AM] Ubit Umarov: ofc that is a open issue
[11:29 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: yes because of SVG fonts presumably?
[11:29 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: I got here as soon as I could. I was stuck handling a tech support call.
[11:29 AM] Ubit Umarov: ms wants system.drawing dead
[11:29 AM] Ubit Umarov: but so far it is working fine
[11:30 AM] Ubit Umarov: lets see on dotnet 10
[11:30 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: so they have not killed it on 9?
[11:30 AM] Ubit Umarov: another open problem is old binary seriealizer they and killed
[11:30 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: Is there any truth to the rumour that msbuild strips debug symbols automatically unless you do something to tell it not to do that?
[11:31 AM] Ubit Umarov: they killed it on 8 .. but a older version works
[11:31 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: understand
[11:31 AM] Ubit Umarov: guess same will happen with binary seriealizer
[11:31 AM] Ubit Umarov: that we do use in a few places
[11:32 AM] Ubit Umarov: anyways a bit easier to replace than system drawing
[11:32 AM] Ubit Umarov: specially dynamic textures
[11:33 AM] Ubit Umarov: more problems.. well lets see what 10 brings
[11:34 AM] Ubit Umarov: sadly ms dotnet team is more worried about coping python
[11:35 AM] Ubit Umarov: and java, but that is since ever.. .net was promoted to kill java on windows
[11:37 AM] Ubit Umarov: and are are your viewers going?
[11:37 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: not really
[11:38 AM] Ubit Umarov: fs did expired another beta, but this time the replacement is there
[11:38 AM] Ubit Umarov: hmm not really what?
[11:39 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: LL released a new version of mobile written in Unity 6, so I wonder when they also will release a desktop viewer in same
[11:40 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I have to revert to an earlier version and build it up from there to make baking work
[11:40 AM] Joe Magarac: Huh. I should look at that.
[11:41 AM] Ubit Umarov: don- tthing the mobile is a full feature thing
[11:41 AM] Ubit Umarov: dont think
[11:41 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: not yet, but probalby can be
[11:42 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: and with less and less actual creation end users can do themselves, many of the features of current viewer can possibly be dropped for a dev version
[11:42 AM] Ubit Umarov: also no idea of the state of the server side rendering viewer
[11:44 AM] Ubit Umarov: well sure no point on having region editors on mobiles
[11:44 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: maybe not, but who even use prim builds any more
[11:44 AM] Ubit Umarov: unless ones with a big screen docking option, at least
[11:44 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: mesh and PBR needs to be all created outside anyway
[11:44 AM] Ubit Umarov: well it is all prims
[11:45 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: yeah, but you know what I mean ,-)
[11:45 AM] Ubit Umarov: yeah :)
[11:46 AM] Joe Magarac: Gotta go soon. Just for reference, I'm still working on that impostor system, which has its own server at "animats.info" now for storing the needed index of impostor objects.
[11:46 AM] Ubit Umarov: thx joe
[11:46 AM] Joe Magarac: Keep going! Do not give up! Bye.
[11:46 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: Thanks, Joe. See you again next week.
[11:46 AM] Ubit Umarov: :)
[11:47 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: Never give up! Never surrender! ;)
[11:47 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: (couldn't help myself for throwing out that quote)
[11:47 AM] Ubit Umarov: :)
[11:48 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Is that what the Canadian "President" said yesterday?
[11:49 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: Gavin, He should say it. It is a quote from the movie Galaxyquest.
[11:49 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: He should!
[11:50 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: Any hints on how to debug a library file used by a C# program? I have been unable to get a usable backtrace when a program crashes. I want to track down some of the bugs in libgdiplus but it doesn't show me file and line number info when a program crashes.
[11:51 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: I may not have the latest libgdiplus as the latest date in the repo is from 2021.
[11:51 AM] Ubit Umarov: libgdi is native
[11:51 AM] Ubit Umarov: have fun with that :)
[11:52 AM] Ubit Umarov: vicent had some fights with current versions.. some are broken
[11:52 AM] Ubit Umarov: talk with him
[11:52 AM] Ubit Umarov: the ubuntu one seems broken on fonts something
[11:53 AM] Ubit Umarov: to debug on linux.. well gdb nightmare :)
[11:53 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: SVG fonts he said
[11:53 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: IIRC, there are issue in fonts. There is also something with either box or cursor size getting a 0.
[11:54 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: I use ddd as the GUI front end to gdb. Makes debugging much easier.
[11:54 AM] Ubit Umarov: think last time i tried gdb on c# programs was 12 yrs ago :)
[11:55 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: libgdi is built-in to mono or in dotnet?
[11:55 AM] Ubit Umarov: and libgdi is native code called from c#
[11:55 AM] Ubit Umarov: libgdir is c
[11:55 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: Oh, I should try running it from monodevelop and see if that helps or not.
[11:55 AM] Ubit Umarov: or c==
[11:55 AM] Ubit Umarov: c++
[11:55 AM] Ubit Umarov: native code
[11:56 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: c== is a brilliant language :-)
[11:56 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: :)
[11:56 AM] Ubit Umarov: :)
[11:56 AM] Ubit Umarov: i got as gift a keyboard with us layout
[11:57 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: Nice.
[11:57 AM] Ubit Umarov: so some symbols i will just fail :)
[11:57 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: C±± is even better
[11:58 AM] Ubit Umarov: isnt that rust ?
[11:58 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: haha
[11:58 AM] Ubit Umarov: :)
[11:58 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: hehe
[11:58 AM] Ubit Umarov: ok rl calls
[11:59 AM] Ubit Umarov: any last moment opensim issue?
[11:59 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: nope
[11:59 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: I just verified I still have monodevelop on my system so that is going to be my best shot at debugging libgdiplus.
[12:00 PM] Ubit Umarov: have fun with that :)
[12:00 PM] Ubit Umarov: see you all next week, if not before
[12:00 PM] Andrew Hellershanks: I need to fix some bugs as it is the source of most crashes in another program.
[12:00 PM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: have a good week all
[12:00 PM] Andrew Hellershanks: Thanks for handling the meeting, Ubit.
