[11:03] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org:80: Hello, everyone.
[11:03] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: Hello *smiles*
[11:03] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: hi
[11:03] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org:80: Looks like most people got the notice about the change in venue.
[11:03] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: i did sent emails :)
[11:04] Kayaker.Magic @grid.kitely.com:8002: The email was how I found my way.
[11:04] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: changed the page..
[11:04] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: region at osg id down
[11:04] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: well osgrid is down...
[11:05] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org:80: I saw a few people in the landing area I was moved to due to our usual location was down.
[11:05] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: well guess you can login bc beening opensim core, as i did
[11:05] Vincent Sylvester: Gavin! :D
[11:06] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: for users osgrid seems down
[11:06] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Hi
[11:06] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: again...
[11:06] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: hi
[11:06] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: Hello Gavin *grins*
[11:06] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: Heya Cuga, Kayaker
[11:07] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: wassup with OSG this week?
[11:07] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: same thing
[11:08] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: broken assets service
[11:08] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: ok
[11:08] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: so it will be down til they have done the big reset?
[11:08] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: it is in bad shape, and they asked all to do oars and iars
[11:09] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: and no good information from who is really running the assets services
[11:09] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: meaning?
[11:09] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: that..
[11:09] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: who is running it?
[11:09] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: like "should be fine now"... etc
[11:10] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: wel lets say "you know who" , and rest :)
[11:11] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org:80: :)
[11:11] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org:80: Should we start a pool where we guess when OSG will get back to normal operations? ;)
[11:12] Kayaker.Magic @grid.kitely.com:8002: Whats that meme called, the guy saying "this is fine" in the burning building. Name that building OSGrid
[11:12] Vincent Sylvester: lol
[11:13] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org:80: All the best to them that they can get things back on track in the next few months.
[11:13] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: yep
[11:13] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: wel i did ask a few times and did got like "should fine now.."
[11:13] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: and ppl see less and less assets
[11:14] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: and then just full crash of the service..
[11:14] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: nothing to see here - move on!
[11:14] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: well opensim only provides basic services
[11:15] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: based on mysql etc
[11:15] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: SL managed to run with MySQL with concurrency of 60k
[11:16] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: and assume that those that run a open grid to have the necessaru IT skills
[11:16] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: that is a different aspect really
[11:16] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: well seems that at osgrid mysql does blow up with a lot less users..
[11:16] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: so did maria...
[11:16] Vincent Sylvester: We also technically have caches on assets, the regions, they deliver them in the end, but request and keep them from asset server, so the load shouldn't be as big as if you directly requested them
[11:17] Vincent Sylvester: Not as simple as that, but it's something
[11:17] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: wel guess opensim does generate a lot more useless assets than current sl
[11:17] Vincent Sylvester: If you let people run wild creating notecards yeah xD
[11:17] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: possibly very much higher duplication of assets
[11:18] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: like the notecards as temporary scripts data store etc
[11:18] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: But... see since osgrid creation there was never a real disk full
[11:18] Vincent Sylvester: Though I did notice the empty notecards are all hashing to the same data, so at least on that end it's deduplicated, still creates a new asset entry though
[11:19] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: because disks did increase in capacity a a reat higher than assets creation
[11:19] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: now seesm thwy have issues with 6 TB
[11:19] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: when disks have 22TB
[11:20] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: i mean low cost rental offers..
[11:20] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: note made for db use or intense concurrency
[11:20] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: not*
[11:21] Vincent Sylvester: All spinning rust too
[11:21] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: well seems mariadb and mysql did blow up a few times
[11:21] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I guess Oracle does not give the community version their best....
[11:21] Vincent Sylvester: Have they ever
[11:22] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: ofc thre is the option to use S3 storage like kitley is doing for 10 years or more
[11:22] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: but that is not a safe option for osgrid
[11:22] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: safe for Kitely but not OSG, why?
[11:23] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: closed vs open connect grid
[11:23] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: only grids that do control their regions code can use external payed storage like s3
[11:23] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org:80: Sometimes the community version of a program, when there is also a commercial version, means the average user gets to help the company find the bugs.
[11:23] Kayaker.Magic @grid.kitely.com:8002: Wolf Territories is a big OpenSim grid using S3 also.
[11:23] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: osgrid can only be a Free grid..
[11:23] Vincent Sylvester: aws is expensive as anything
[11:23] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: can't have any paied content, bc can't really do any protection
[11:24] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Kitlely store is doing fine...
[11:24] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: well seems S3 even from amazon is cheaper than current osgrid cluster costs
[11:24] Vincent Sylvester: Frankly just stuff it onto a nvme machine with raid6 and make a backup each day, proven ext4, lots of memory for the database and regular cleaning of useless assets
[11:24] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: asn wolf seems to be using a even cheaper option
[11:25] Vincent Sylvester: I cleaned nearly 40 million notecards for that satyr farm crap over the years, if osg never did that with their user numbers it must be in the billions by now
[11:25] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: sadly ssds are still very expensive
[11:25] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: well relative..
[11:25] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org:80 nods
[11:26] Vincent Sylvester: Their spinning rust machines are more expensive than equivalent nvme servers from large providers...
[11:26] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: but really how big is trafic on a mostly empty grid like osgrid??
[11:26] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: very small
[11:26] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: having all regions doing cache ?
[11:27] Vincent Sylvester: I see 2mbit traffic on my database here constantly, you can even see that over there on the network stats left bottom corner
[11:27] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: bursting for a few sconds from time to time
[11:27] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: well never been told abotu those numbers
[11:27] Vincent Sylvester: It seems fcache clears things and then regions request them again
[11:28] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: fcache only clears if you tell it to
[11:28] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: and even so does scan region contents to not deleted referenced assets
[11:29] Vincent Sylvester: That's what it is supposed to do, but otherwise can't really explain why I see that mysql load
[11:29] Vincent Sylvester: Shutting all regions down does reduce it so must be coming from them
[11:29] Vincent Sylvester: Funky voodoo things going on there most likely
[11:30] Vincent Sylvester: Not a problem anyhow 2mbit isn't exactly a worrying amount
[11:30] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: like you farms notecards ? :)
[11:30] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: how many ios per sec does that traffic translate to?
[11:30] Vincent Sylvester: I managed to remove most of the scripts that do that stuff by now
[11:31] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: and particularly how many writes, which is what takes time
[11:31] Vincent Sylvester: https://stats.zetaworlds.com/host.php?h=zetaworlds.com&p=mysql If you want to take a look at all of the information
[11:31] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: ohh btw... no new bugs this last week :)
[11:32] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: thx
[11:32] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org:80: :)
[11:32] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: :)
[11:33] Kayaker.Magic @grid.kitely.com:8002: "New bugs for old! New bugs for old!"
[11:33] Vincent Sylvester: I been working on presence a bit, trying to come up with a system to remove dead presence, still testing though
[11:33] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: looks like you have a few writes per sec at worst
[11:35] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: even with my old spinning rust RAID it managed 1200-1400 db writes per sec
[11:35] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: issue might be memory usage not disk
[11:35] Vincent Sylvester: Modern databases are designed to handle millions of records just fine, I have not seen a significant increase in response times in years
[11:36] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: boxes have 64GB you thik?
[11:36] Vincent Sylvester: Just gave it more memory last year to give it some space, but it's not exercising the table cache to the fullest as is
[11:36] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: https://www.osgrid.org/donation_usage.php
[11:37] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: the assets cluster near the end
[11:37] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: btw that raid10 must be typo.. you don't do raid10 with 3 disks
[11:37] Vincent Sylvester: I thought that page wasn't up to date anymore
[11:37] Vincent Sylvester: It's a raid3 mirror + spare
[11:38] Vincent Sylvester: Great for write speed /s
[11:38] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: just brainstormjng ideas, delete and rebuild indexes?
[11:38] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: actually seems it has raid disabled, bc ceph does not like raid
[11:39] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: yeah, lets jsut put all eggs in one basket
[11:40] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: ceph does 3x replication
[11:40] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: WHEN IT WORKs
[11:40] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: grrr
[11:40] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: well does with 3 machines
[11:40] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: 3x replication of crap is still crap
[11:40] Vincent Sylvester: I have used things like zfs before, never again. More exotic the harder to recover, ext4 has worked fine, widely used
[11:40] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: 3 times more actually
[11:40] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: yeah
[11:41] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: idea of ceph is that one could let regions get assets directly
[11:41] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: and the write?
[11:41] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: again NOT with untruisted regions
[11:41] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: seems kitely does that..
[11:41] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: regiosn talk directly with store
[11:41] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: makes sense.. if you control the regions code
[11:42] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: so a CDN of sorts
[11:42] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: yeap
[11:43] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: those seem nice options this days
[11:43] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: ofc you need to keep close control of costs
[11:43] Vincent Sylvester: With the storage options out there, for the cost they have there are definitely better options with less software layers and better hardware
[11:43] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: since you wil pay per total storage used and TRAFIC
[11:44] Vincent Sylvester: Moving all that over though, ouch that'll take a while
[11:44] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: not after the reset :-O
[11:44] Vincent Sylvester: If they go through with that reset, which I really hope they don't
[11:44] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: ofc the companie you hire may also blow up and lose all data
[11:44] Vincent Sylvester: Or burn down...
[11:45] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: yeah
[11:45] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: happended to ovh ??
[11:45] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: or get sanctioned by your government or something
[11:45] Vincent Sylvester: One live copy, backup copy in different data center and one copy in your basement just in case
[11:46] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: think one gird is usind or will use 2 companies
[11:46] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: possilble one based on ssd disks other on hhd
[11:47] Orbert Tatham: What happened to OVH?
[11:47] Kayaker.Magic @grid.kitely.com:8002: My last resort backups are in a safety deposit box.
[11:47] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: a datacenter did burn
[11:47] Orbert Tatham: Ah, ok
[11:47] Orbert Tatham: Not the one I use :)
[11:47] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: wel not sure it was them
[11:47] Kayaker.Magic @grid.kitely.com:8002: It was OHV
[11:47] Vincent Sylvester: One of their places had a fire cause they struggle to this day with finding decent electricians it seems
[11:47] Orbert Tatham: Gotcha
[11:47] Kayaker.Magic @grid.kitely.com:8002: They had servers in stacked shipping containers.
[11:47] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: ohh i mant hdd... hhd is also a option lol
[11:48] Orbert Tatham: That is not a new problems - good electricians are REALLY hard to find
[11:49] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: so LL figured they had lost control of pull request and development
[11:49] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: hmm?
[11:49] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: so they reset the development branch to the release version
[11:49] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: they did ?
[11:49] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: yep
[11:50] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: hmm think they had plans to simply like that
[11:50] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: maybe it was an excuse, but it was all over the floor
[11:50] Orbert Tatham: Sounds like typical ex-Micro$haft attitude to me
[11:50] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: they had a ton of branchs.. for this or that..
[11:50] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: exactly
[11:51] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: and lost control of what went where not to mention mering it back
[11:51] Orbert Tatham: Ok, I saw that OSGrid was back on Discord, and just confirmed it by logging in
[11:52] Vincent Sylvester: Join us next week for another episode of Incompetence-ville where we will watch LL fumble their next controversy
[11:52] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: It was down 20 minutes ago
[11:52] Orbert Tatham: They still haven't given me back my avatar, though,
[11:53] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: ohh btw thanks Zetaworlds for having us here :)
[11:53] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: my avatar is toast
[11:53] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: Yes, Thank you, Vincent
[11:53] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: and great to see everyone
[11:53] Vincent Sylvester: Happy to help :)
[11:54] Vincent Sylvester: LL also added some more information about energy to the wiki the other day
[11:54] Vincent Sylvester: That strange concept of script saturation
[11:54] Vincent Sylvester: Not that it makes any more sense than it ever did
[11:54] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I never figured out what it was
[11:55] Orbert Tatham: Saturation? Interesting concept, wonder what it really means?
[11:55] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: They also have a drive to incite users to log in with the mobile viewer giving the L$ rewards to claim if they do
[11:55] Kayaker.Magic @grid.kitely.com:8002: A failed attempt to limit the use of heavy scripts.
[11:56] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: we never tried to support that
[11:56] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: but yeah a kinda of throttle
[11:56] Vincent Sylvester: Would have to comprehend it first to write code to emulate it and good luck with that
[11:56] Orbert Tatham: I am using the mobile viewer - for 30 seconds a day, to claim the lindens. It sure isn't worth anything else
[11:56] Vincent Sylvester: It's easier just to watch your sim fps heh
[11:57] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I have done that too Orbert :-))
[11:57] Orbert Tatham: Lumiya was a better version by far
[11:57] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: not tht I need them - I haven't bought anything for years
[11:58] Vincent Sylvester: The less abstract and esoteric the lsl code the better it works anyways, some SL ported scripts are awful performance wise
[11:58] Vincent Sylvester: I was given this builder buddy thing a while ago, running that overloads the event queue so much the scripts stop responding for hours at a time
[11:58] Kayaker.Magic @grid.kitely.com:8002: I like to say "That free script you got from SL was worth a LOT LESS than you paid for it"
[11:59] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I understand one will be able to use LUA also for in-word scripts
[11:59] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: :)
[11:59] Vincent Sylvester: *vomits*
[11:59] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: in world*
[12:00] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: on first stage they will only replace mono by lua as script engine
[12:00] Orbert Tatham: I do wish we could just write Mono/C# directly. It would make SO much more sense
[12:00] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: then they will start adding lua things to lsl
[12:00] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: or make full lua..
[12:00] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: It seems..
[12:00] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: we can't do direct c#
[12:01] Orbert Tatham: Yeah, I know
[12:01] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: nota good idea to have users formating our regions disks
[12:01] Vincent Sylvester: lua, what if python got its legs chopped off, drugged on ketamine and then thrown into a sewer
[12:01] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: lua in Norwegain means the beanie
[12:01] Kayaker.Magic @grid.kitely.com:8002: I've used Lua before, its cute, I like it!
[12:01] Orbert Tatham: Why go farther down the same rabbgit hole?
[12:01] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: lua means moon
[12:01] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: here it means something you have on your ehad, and usually knitted
[12:02] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org:80: :)
[12:02] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org:80: Also called toque in other parts of the world.
[12:02] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I last used lua 20 years ago for X11 window manager...
[12:03] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: well ll did nto had much opetions
[12:03] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I didn't know it was that old
[12:03] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: on languages to embeded in programs
[12:03] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: old mono did had provisions for that.. then tcl .. or lua :)
[12:03] Orbert Tatham: They complain about scripts eating up CPU, and then they make it worse with a completely interperpreted language
[12:04] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: don't think you would like tcl ?
[12:04] Vincent Sylvester: Their option was to fork and continue to develop their own thing, but why do that when you can be lazy and use one of the most annoying languages there is
[12:04] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org:80: Tcl/Tk was interesting but never really them.
[12:04] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: why not pick something more up to date like python
[12:04] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: mono is obsolete and dotnet does not litk to run inside c
[12:05] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: bc they need a exec engine not a language
[12:05] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: ok I see
[12:05] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: mono is dead.. and they no one to try to keep it up
[12:05] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: thyse use a modified mono 2.0 or similar
[12:06] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: sounds like a nightmare
[12:06] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: as i said at that time that mono did had provisions to run inside another c program
[12:06] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: dotnet does not, as far i can tell
[12:09] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org:80: We are just past the hour. Any other OpenSim related questions or comments for today?
[12:09] Orbert Tatham: Did dotnet eliminate the built-in compiler? It has been so long since I worked in it (2.x) that I don't even know
[12:09] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: Thank you for a great meeting. *smiles* See you next week here at Zetaworlds in the OpenSim region
[12:09] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: that was tehre in .net 4
[12:09] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org:80: ok, Lyr. Have a good week. See you next time.
[12:09] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: guess still tehre on dotnet
[12:10] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: You too *grins*
[12:10] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: dunno i removed x-engine before testing :)
[12:10] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: x-engien did depend on that also
[12:10] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: ok rl calls
[12:10] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org:80: ok, Ubit. See you next week
[12:11] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: vincent, will post the log?
[12:11] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: yeah, I should hop back too
[12:11] Vincent Sylvester: Yeah
[12:11] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: cool ty
[12:11] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org:80: This would be a good time to call the meeting to and end for today.
[12:11] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: going to make my BACKUP2025 folder lol
[12:11] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: have fun ppl.. fear next week we will meet here again
[12:11] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: have a great week everyone
[12:11] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: later
[12:11] Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org:80: look to our site to check
[12:11] Orbert Tatham: The opdds are looking that way
[12:11] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org:80: If anyone runs across any of the other usual attendees in your travels that didn't make it here today let them know of the change in meeting location.
[12:11] Orbert Tatham: *odds
[12:11] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org:80: Thank you all for coming. See you again next week.
