[12:01 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, everyone.
[12:01 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: the entire country is covered in shovel ready warming
[12:01 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Hi Andrew
[12:02 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Cold is fine if there was snow, but there ain't
[12:04 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: wll about code changes...
[12:05 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: vicent did provide some code for to show basic grid stats
[12:05 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: i added it then broke it :p
[12:05 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: As is tradition :)
[12:05 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: so it is currently broken?
[12:05 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=9182
[12:06 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: well possible.. it is untested
[12:06 PM PT] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: Hello *smiles*
[12:06 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: I already have a logged result from another grid so it appears to be working
[12:06 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Grid level stats vs. the sim ones? What data points are included?
[12:06 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: this is kinda of vincent answer to hypregrid business getting out of business
[12:06 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: no more opensim stats there
[12:07 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: users that have logged in in the last 30 days, single region equivalent count and the total resident count
[12:07 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: hi Lyr welcome :)
[12:07 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: curl -X GET http://localhost:80/get_grid_stats
<gridstats><region_count>13073</region_count><active_users>746</active_users><residents>3950</residents></gridstats>
[12:07 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: The first and last have been around a long time, IIRC.
[12:08 PM PT] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: Thanks!
[12:08 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, Lry
[12:08 PM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: sorry I came late.. Are these stats from a console command?
[12:08 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: s/ry/yr/
[12:08 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: are they going out of business?
[12:08 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: vicent had added a xmlrpc method also, buit i just removed it
[12:09 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: this days xmlrpc is not a cool thing :p
[12:09 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Also is pretty bloated with structure for just three numbers heh
[12:09 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: yeah maria moved on to other things
[12:09 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: depends on who you ask I suppose :-)
[12:09 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: The return parses as xml as well so it's fine
[12:10 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: yeha kept response in xml format
[12:11 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Once everyone updates will be much easier to collect some metrics on the metaverse. Of course added a way to disable it if someone doesn't want to share
[12:11 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: or if it turns out to be very heavy
[12:11 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: well it is heavy,,
[12:11 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: only want to share half truths
[12:12 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: db stuff always heavy. I tried to keep it low just doing two
[12:12 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: only want public regions to be seen in the region count
[12:13 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: It just counts all from the table, no real way to detect if they are open or not
[12:13 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: I mean there is, but very heavy
[12:14 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: also added a hack on iar load
[12:14 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: There is a flag for Show In Search. Could that be used?
[12:14 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: so subfolders of my outfits are type outfit
[12:14 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: yeah, I was about to say
[12:15 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: There are some flags and access data in there, but that only works on larger scale, doesn't check parcels which could be closed as well not just the estate
[12:16 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: some grids like osg use datasnapshot to make some stats
[12:16 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: no but the thing is to not publish whole regions in the count if they are internal to the grid owner / devloper or whatever
[12:17 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: well it is just a number..
[12:17 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: can jsut disable that
[12:18 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: don't think we have much provision for secret regions anyway
[12:18 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: easy tho configure
[12:19 PM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: if the actual region address/URL aren't listed, seems no harm to include in count
[12:20 PM PT] Kayaker Magic: Does it calculate the SL region count equivalent number?
[12:20 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: the main key to private regions is to not open the ports in the gateway
[12:20 PM PT] Kayaker Magic: Or tell you the regions sizes?
[12:20 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Single region equivalent yes
[12:21 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: The welcome page I use with my standalone always showed some stats. I'm trying to think about how it did that. I know the code originally came from opensimwi.
[12:21 PM PT] Kayaker Magic: I hack numbers out of the database with PHP for my welcome pages.
[12:22 PM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: me too
[12:23 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: yup
[12:24 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: yeha this is just a very simple thing
[12:25 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Accuracy is also not perfect given it just reads the table data, which might not be accurate in some cases
[12:26 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Robust doesn't do housekeeping on that stuff so if regions crash you get ghosts
[12:26 PM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: eViola
[12:27 PM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: oops ww
[12:27 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: It's just for some general metrics about the wider metaverse that might help someone wishing to gain some insight
[12:27 PM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: cd ..
[12:27 PM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: pwd
[12:27 PM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: dammit
[12:27 PM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: sry
[12:28 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: dammit not found
[12:28 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: I even thought about adding online user count, but given the mess that is presence decided against it. Also think that goes a bit far even if most display such a count anyways
[12:29 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Which brings me to. Doing some house keeping on presence is usually done externally through routines to check for the null keys in the region id column
[12:29 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Technically something robust could do as well, but it does mean code that would have to make at least some assumptions on what is going on
[12:30 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: and possibility of total flood of the grid
[12:30 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: While a user teleports the region id can become null so any such house keeping needs to check in intervals which makes it heavier
[12:30 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: like happend to osgrid using datasnapshot :)
[12:30 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: speaking of
[12:30 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: how is the reset going?
[12:31 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: when you are connecting to a few thousand regions... things get bad...
[12:31 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: pfff
[12:31 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: i keep calling Dan bad names to try to change that decision :p
[12:32 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: ( calling on ims to him ;p )
[12:32 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: what would that accomplice
[12:32 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: My main concern with it is that you can also reset a stuck presence by just logging back in, so if it is set to remove a presence while the user is logging in it might collide even if that timing would need to be spot on
[12:32 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: hmm maybe force im to walk naked down hill saying shame.. shame.. shame
[12:33 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: err wait that was otehr movie
[12:33 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Though that is what my current routine does and according to robust logs no collisions of missing presence so far
[12:33 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Ubit, That makes me think of an old song. ;)
[12:33 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: well thing is that there was no loss of assets
[12:34 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: just some temporary issues..
[12:34 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: and the call to make IARs and OARs just made the assets services to colapse
[12:34 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Who would have seen that comin...
[12:35 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: so you are sayng there was no data corruption?
[12:35 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: and that to get broken IARs... because the assets that are currently not visible
[12:35 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: saying*
[12:35 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: no
[12:36 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: just several assets where moved to other disk temporary
[12:36 PM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: for osg users who aren't region owners, how are they supposed to get a "cleaned" IAR?
[12:36 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: like 50% of the ones on our invntories
[12:36 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: some ppl are providing that service cuga.Rajal
[12:37 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: wel lets see
[12:37 PM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: ok I'll look into it maybe.
[12:37 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: the assets still exist.. so still some hope
[12:37 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: of a more proper fix
[12:37 PM PT] Kayaker Magic: Is it still true that to get an IAR you have to give your password to a grid manager to enter it into the save iar command on the console?
[12:38 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: to a region owner..
[12:38 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: If you have a region you can do it from there
[12:38 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: why do defragmentation fall in mind...
[12:39 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: it may even be possible to repair the assets service with no downtime
[12:39 PM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: osg users who dont want to give their password are likely not going to even bother continuing that account, unless they have irreplaceable items to recover
[12:40 PM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: nice to hear there is still some hope in fixing
[12:40 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: not sure why that was not done.. well response time maybe a bit bad.. but better than current fails
[12:40 PM PT] Kayaker Magic: You could have an IAR made and then immediately change your password.
[12:40 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I have (had) some items with creation dates of 2007, which is pretty early opensim
[12:40 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: well osgrid admin just did faill in love with the simple minded "RESET ALL"
[12:41 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: ignoring how that just means the end of osgrid soul
[12:41 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: whatever..
[12:43 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: well lets see what can be done
[12:43 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: until disks are deleted, there is hope
[12:45 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: there is hope till the platter is melted
[12:45 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: :)
[12:45 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: after all it is just some 6TB on 86MAssets
[12:46 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: think youtube as a bit more...
[12:46 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: has...
[12:46 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: main SL MySQL db was 182 TB in 2010
[12:47 PM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: LL has more money to spend on a data center
[12:47 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: yep
[12:47 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: nahh they closed the datacenters
[12:47 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: all aws now
[12:48 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: now you get 15L$ extra per week if you log in with the mobile client
[12:48 PM PT] Kayaker Magic: Any hope of the mobile client working on OpenSim?
[12:48 PM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: thats like $0.20 USD
[12:48 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: per day
[12:48 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: sorry
[12:48 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: sl only thing i bet
[12:49 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: made by opensim creator Adam Frisby
[12:49 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: like some like to say
[12:50 PM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I tried their web browser version too recently
[12:50 PM PT] Kayaker Magic: Lumyia was good enough for attending meetings, sending IMs, I wish it had not been abandoned.
[12:50 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: fear author died ??
[12:50 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: ofc also russian ??
[12:51 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: wait.. now that is a good thing again
[12:51 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: it is
[12:51 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: since this morning
[12:51 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: yeah
[12:51 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: a lot bettet than those silly europeans
[12:51 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Umarov sounds russian`?
[12:52 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: or ukr ??
[12:52 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: no idea
[12:52 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: :)
[12:52 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: dunno, but it has that ring to it
[12:53 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: hmm there was a umarov in tchechenia~
[12:53 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: oops bomb in moscow in 2010 :)
[12:54 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: no not russian namke but nearby
[12:54 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: but i got it at SL
[12:55 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: it was one on the list when youregistered first?
[12:55 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Hird was the best on the list I got presented, but it sort of has a nazi ring to it thanks to
[12:56 PM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: back in the day they had you pick from a list of names or first letter
[12:56 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: yes it was
[12:56 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: In old Norse, the Hird was the King's guard
[12:56 PM PT] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002 grins
[12:57 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: stupid Germans ruined that
[12:57 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: what ?
[12:58 PM PT] Kayaker Magic: Yeah, I wanted Mike Kayaker, that wasn't allowed so I flipped it and chose the first last name that started with M.
[12:58 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Hird was like Hitler jugend during ww2
[12:58 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: outch
[12:58 PM PT] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: for me, Lobo was the shortest name in 2005, Llyr were shapeshifters and I play a lot of druids in the World of Warcraft, hence the name choice *grins*
[12:59 PM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Cuga was my Burning Man "playa name" before I joined SL or OS
[12:59 PM PT] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002 grins
[12:59 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: i was just tired of browsing that list so picked umarov that was there at the moment :p
[1:00 PM PT] animatsalt resident: Gotta go, next meeting.
[1:00 PM PT] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: for me, I needed students to be able to remember it and write me in world *smiles*
[1:00 PM PT] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: bye Joe
[1:00 PM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: not a lot to talk about today :)
[1:01 PM PT] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: Thank you for the meeting
[1:01 PM PT] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: I like the name, Kayaker
[1:01 PM PT] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: very cool
[1:02 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: lobo .. wolf is also cool :)
[1:03 PM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: going to get back to my rabbot hole of animesh scripting
[1:03 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Cuga, some meetings are like that.
[1:03 PM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: no worries :) nice to hear theres nothing pressing
[1:04 PM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: besides webrtc and osg doom
[1:04 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: If there isn't anything more for today I will call this meeting to a close.
[1:04 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: yeha fun things
[1:05 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: That will do it for today. Thank you all for coming. See you again next week.
