[11:27] Ubit Umarov: SHA-1: 1b9cea02b2255a356f72c2e0ac399ed5433293fe
* fix script events on crossings in same instance. MemberWiseClone on part.clone is bad
[11:28] Telehub: Welcome back to, Dev Outreach, Andrew Hellershanks.
[11:28] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: hi Andrew
[11:28] Ubit Umarov: yeah that was a bug with Yengine and several regions on same instance
[11:28] Andrew Hellershanks: hello, everyone. Sorry I'm late. I was deep in to some code and talking with a client. I completely forgot it was meeting day.
[11:28] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Hi Andrew
[11:28] Ubit Umarov: the script events handlers where lost after a crossing
[11:29] Ubit Umarov: hmm actually that had impact on Xengine also
[11:29] Ubit Umarov: now Andrew will give more news
[11:29] Ubit Umarov: :p
[11:30] Andrew Hellershanks: No news is good news. ;)
[11:30] Ubit Umarov: :)
[11:31] Andrew Hellershanks: There has been only one change this past week to address an issue with script events on crossing instances.
[11:31] Ubit Umarov: yes i just told about aht
[11:31] Ubit Umarov: that
[11:32] Andrew Hellershanks nods
[11:32] Andrew Hellershanks: That's all the news I have.
[11:32] Ubit Umarov: so oyu can move to the next point on the agenda
[11:32] Andrew Hellershanks: Oh, I have upgraded a grid from 0.8.2 to master this past week.
[11:32] Ubit Umarov: :)
[11:32] Ubit Umarov: what is 0.8,2 ??
[11:32] Ubit Umarov: ;)
[11:33] Andrew Hellershanks: The upgrade seems to have gone well. No immediate issues noticed. I saw reports of missing texture assets but I often see those.
[11:33] Ubit Umarov: ok, how painful was that?
[11:33] Ubit Umarov: yeah assets get lost.. somehow
[11:33] Ubit Umarov: possible where never uploaded correctly
[11:34] Jagga Meredith: I've got some of those
[11:34] Ubit Umarov: or where hg fails.. who knows :(
[11:34] Andrew Hellershanks: It wasn't that painful. The biggest issue is looking at the .ini files for differences to see what configuration changes I need to make. The one big change was in the handling of the osslEnable settings as there is now a default file with the modifiable version.
[11:34] Andrew Hellershanks: I just had to copy over the settings from a file with the custom grid ini settings in to the osslEnable.ini.
[11:35] Ubit Umarov: well ini files are always a pain, no matter the version change
[11:36] Andrew Hellershanks: Minor point releases are easy to handle. When doing something like 0.8 to 0.9 it requires a closer look as there could be a lot of changes.
[11:36] Ubit Umarov: did update to 0,9.1.1 or 0.9.2 ?
[11:36] Ubit Umarov: hmm and thing tou need to pass by 0.9.0.0
[11:36] Ubit Umarov: think..
[11:36] Ubit Umarov: bc dbs
[11:36] Andrew Hellershanks: I went straight to master. The grid is mainly being used for some testing and isn't really open to the public.
[11:36] Ubit Umarov: :)
[11:37] Andrew Hellershanks: The people using it are doing development of stuff in Kitely. They want to see how stock OpenSim handles the things they are producing.
[11:37] Ubit Umarov: don't remember why the need to pass by 0.9.0.0
[11:37] Ubit Umarov: guess db related...
[11:38] Ubit Umarov: well there are a lot of "stock" opensim :(
[11:38] Ubit Umarov: like what physics engine.. what script engine.. ossl settings etc
[11:38] Andrew Hellershanks: I was half expecting that db migration might have taken a long time but it was surprisingly quick.
[11:40] Ubit Umarov: guess depends on real size of the dbs
[11:40] Ubit Umarov: our "migrations" is large again
[11:40] Andrew Hellershanks: It was only 85GB.
[11:40] Ubit Umarov: and not a fast thing
[11:41] Andrew Hellershanks: The migrations and update didn't even break database replication.
[11:41] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: why would it?
[11:42] Ubit Umarov: simplification of the migrations code, is a reason why there is a need to upgrade into other versions before last
[11:42] Andrew Hellershanks: I've seen issues before where some changes/updates killed replication and required manual intervention to get back on track.
[11:43] Ubit Umarov: newer versions lost convertion from older versions dbs
[11:43] Andrew Hellershanks: I was never really sure what caused the issue. Just glad I didn't have to deal with it this time.
[11:43] Ubit Umarov: errors happen :)
[11:43] Andrew Hellershanks: yup.
[11:44] Andrew Hellershanks: The grid is now running with ubODE and XEngine for now. May change to YEngine later.
[11:44] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: the db changes are really just simple table migrations with additions and such, so it should not break replication
[11:45] Andrew Hellershanks nods
[11:47] Andrew Hellershanks: Anything else new and exciting this past week?
[11:47] Andrew Hellershanks: or even not so exciting?
[11:48] Ubit Umarov: :)
[11:48] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: LL's TPV meeting lasted a massive 7 minutes
[11:48] Ubit Umarov: oh? there was one?
[11:48] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: barely
[11:49] Andrew Hellershanks: Wow. That hardly sounds like they had time to do anything.
[11:49] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Vir was rambling on a bit and that was it
[11:49] Jamie.Jordan @grid.kitely.com:8002: or had nothing to do
[11:50] Ubit Umarov: oh kayaker was there
[11:50] Kayaker Magic: I have a vewer problem: On one of the last FS updates, all MOAP stopped working for me. On both WinCows and Ubuntu.
[11:50] Kayaker Magic: I looked at the preferences and "auto start media" is grayed out.
[11:50] Kayaker Magic: How do I get that enabled again?
[11:51] Jamie.Jordan @grid.kitely.com:8002: clean install?
[11:51] Ubit Umarov: yt one working fine for me
[11:52] Andrew Hellershanks: Kayaker, is there still a texture set in the Media tab of About Land?
[11:52] Ubit Umarov: see the video?
[11:52] Ubit Umarov: on the face facing me
[11:52] Ubit Umarov: ( may need to click on the prim etc )
[11:53] Kayaker Magic: Then after a few weeks, it started working on Ubuntu again, without me changing anything (that I recall).
[11:53] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: yes
[11:53] Kayaker Magic: Still can't get it working on my WinCows laptop.
[11:53] Ubit Umarov: well 6.13 working for me
[11:53] Ubit Umarov: and that is a mp4 clip i think
[11:54] Ubit Umarov: anyone else can see it?
[11:54] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: works in DT too
[11:54] Ubit Umarov: cool
[11:54] Andrew Hellershanks: Hm... I just noticed that in FS the Camera Controls dialog box has no close button. I had to go to the Avatar drop down menu to close it.
[11:54] Ubit Umarov: yeah
[11:54] Now playing: Two Steps From Hell - Starfall
[11:55] Jamie.Jordan @grid.kitely.com:8002: i can see it
[11:55] Ubit Umarov: ok can i remove the test prim now?
[11:55] Ubit Umarov: :)
[11:55] Andrew Hellershanks: Sure.
[11:56] Ubit Umarov: wait let me see the end of the clip now that im on it
[11:56] Ubit Umarov: :)
[11:56] Andrew Hellershanks: :)
[11:57] Ubit Umarov: ( its a TSFH music with video from halo )
[11:57] Ubit Umarov: was
[11:57] Ubit Umarov: :)
[11:58] Ubit Umarov: bet plugs cat is telling him.. only 2 minutes for our play..
[11:58] Ubit Umarov: andrew's cat also
[11:59] Andrew Hellershanks: My cat is being rather quiet at the moment (for a change).
[11:59] Ubit Umarov: oh?
[12:00] Andrew Hellershanks: It is nice weather. The back door is open. She is probably lying by the open doorway smelling the fresh air and watching the critters out in the garden.
[12:00] Ubit Umarov: :)
[12:00] Ubit Umarov: or checking what would had been your dinner
[12:01] Andrew Hellershanks: What will be part of our dinner is in a sealed bag thawing out on a counter.
[12:01] Andrew Hellershanks: It is safe from the cat.
[12:01] Ubit Umarov: :)
[12:01] Andrew Hellershanks: Kayaker, were you able to see the video on that prim that had been rezzed?
[12:03] Jamie.Jordan @grid.kitely.com:8002: have a good day gents
[12:03] Kayaker Magic: Yes, but only on my Ubuntu system, not on my Windows Laptop. "auto play media" is still grayed out there.
[12:03] Ubit Umarov: u2
[12:03] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: you too
[12:03] Andrew Hellershanks: ok, Jamie. Thanks for dropping by. See you next week.
[12:03] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: does the viewer log files say anything useful?
[12:04] Kayaker Magic: I'll have to track those down and look at them.
[12:04] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: good idea. it usually will complain
[12:04] Andrew Hellershanks: Kayaker, you can't see MOAP that you have been able to view in the past?
[12:05] Kayaker Magic: Yes, worked fine a month or so ago.
[12:05] Andrew Hellershanks: I was wondering about possible issues with video codecs. I produced a video for my sister to look at and she couldn't open it under Windows.
[12:06] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Windows 7 or 10 Kayaker?
[12:06] Kayaker Magic: Win 10
[12:06] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: did it fail just a after a Win update
[12:06] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: or viewer update?
[12:07] Kayaker Magic: Win updates happen all the time, I did upgrade viewers but went back to old one and no MOAP
[12:07] Andrew Hellershanks: That makes it sound like it isn't a viewer issue.
[12:07] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: sounds like a Win update killed it
[12:08] Kayaker Magic: I'm considering upgrading to Ubuntu, but Linux on laptops is less stable than desktops....
[12:08] Jagga Meredith: I've got it running on a couple
[12:08] Jagga Meredith: drivers are a problem
[12:09] Jagga Meredith: good way to rejuvinate an older laptop
[12:09] Andrew Hellershanks: I find a Linux based desktop is in general a little less stable than it used to be.
[12:09] Kayaker Magic: "this software requires Win 10 or better, so I installed Linux"
[12:09] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: if you have disk space to spare, you can always test it in a different partition
[12:09] Andrew Hellershanks: Kayaker: Yes, I like that. I've seen it before.
[12:10] Jagga Meredith: or boot from USB
[12:10] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: yes
[12:10] Kayaker Magic: Or upgrade the laptop to an SSD and start with Ubuntu on it....
[12:10] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I guess that falls under disk to sparre :-)
[12:10] Andrew Hellershanks: When I wanted to use a Linux based system on a laptop I first booted from a live USB stick in order to test that it supported all the hardware in the laptop.
[12:11] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: spare*
[12:13] Ubit Umarov: ok ppl i need to run RL for a bit
[12:13] Ubit Umarov: any issue?
[12:14] Andrew Hellershanks: I think that is about it for today.
[12:14] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: bye all
[12:14] Ubit Umarov: yeah.. i need go.. cya next week if not before :)
[12:14] Andrew Hellershanks: Thank you all for coming. See you again next week.
[12:14] Andrew Hellershanks: Bye, Selby.
[12:15] Ubit Umarov: Byeee
[12:15] Andrew Hellershanks: ok, Ubit. Have fun.
[12:15] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: have a great week all
[12:15] Ubit Umarov: ty
