Chat log from the meeting on 2021-05-11

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[11:03] Gavin.Hird hi Andrew
[11:03] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, everyone.
[11:04] Andrew Hellershanks: I couldn't get here when I first tried to login.
[11:04] Andrew Hellershanks: Ah, finally the region finished loading.
[11:04] Gavin.Hird I had the same problem Andrew
[11:04] Gavin.Hird second attempt worked

[11:17] Andrew Hellershanks: I think its about time to get back to OpenSimulator topics. Looks like everyone who will be attending todays gathering is now here.
[11:17] Ubit Umarov: actually several waves
[11:17] Gavin.Hird polarbear virus
[11:17] Gavin.Hird sounds scary
[11:18] Ubit Umarov: well biology is how it is
[11:18] Andrew Hellershanks: Who wants to kick us off today?
[11:18] Ubit Umarov: ppl traveling progate nasty thigns fast
[11:18] Gavin.Hird wait for the return from Mars...
[11:18] Ubit Umarov: spanish killed south americans
[11:19] Ubit Umarov: with the things they carried from eu
[11:19] Ubit Umarov: wel on opensim code
[11:19] Andrew Hellershanks: If no one else has something I have a question about Diva's WiFi for 0.9
[11:19] Ubit Umarov: think no commits last week?
[11:20] Andrew Hellershanks: No commits this past week. I just checked.
[11:20] Ubit Umarov: yeah
[11:20] Andrew Hellershanks: The latest Wifi zip file for 0.9 is missing the web pages. Have they not changed since the version for 0.8?
[11:20] Gavin.Hird it is May
[11:21] Ubit Umarov: no idea
[11:21] Ubit Umarov: u need ask diva
[11:21] Ubit Umarov: guess only interfaces to rest of opensim did change
[11:22] Ubit Umarov: like another will be needed for 0.9.2
[11:22] Andrew Hellershanks: I was going to point that out to her. I would be surprised if it hasn't been mentioned to her before. The package is a few years old.
[11:22] Ubit Umarov: well some are using it
[11:23] Ubit Umarov: oh diva did use it on that teacign grid
[11:23] Ubit Umarov: teaching..
[11:23] Andrew Hellershanks: I'm in the process of updating a grid to master. It had been using Wifi. I'll get it running without Wifi and deal with adding Wifi support as a separate step.
[11:24] Ubit Umarov: well major thing i remember on it on 9.9.2 is that it overrides some changes i made
[11:24] Ubit Umarov: on.. hmm something :p
[11:25] Ubit Umarov: gridusersomething?
[11:25] Andrew Hellershanks: Its mostly a closed grid so it can run without Wifi for now.
[11:25] Ubit Umarov: i also changed http server more..  but guess not a issue
[11:28] Andrew Hellershanks: My cat waits until halfway through the meeting before deciding its play time. :P
[11:29] Ubit Umarov: :)
[11:29] Gavin.Hird you could fool it by changing the clock
[11:29] Ubit Umarov: :)
[11:30] Andrew Hellershanks: She can't read the clock so I don't think it would help. :)
[11:30] Gavin.Hird oh
[11:30] Ubit Umarov: ohh she knows things u cna't guess
[11:30] Andrew Hellershanks: Any other items today? Any news items related to viewers?
[11:31] Ubit Umarov whispers: never see those movies cats and dogs?
[11:31] Andrew Hellershanks: Gavin, oh?
[11:31] Gavin.Hird LL has not even had a TPV meeting for a few weeks ,so no idead what they are up to
[11:32] Ubit Umarov: more worried abotu waht viewers may do with what they do :)
[11:32] Gavin.Hird huh?
[11:32] Ubit Umarov: but changes after Oz leaving, guess expected
[11:33] Gavin.Hird secret project
[11:33] Gavin.Hird projects*
[11:33] Ubit Umarov: oh?
[11:33] Gavin.Hird they have said a few times lots of projects going they cannot talk about
[11:34] Ubit Umarov: well Oz was the opensource guy there also
[11:34] Ubit Umarov: think that was is early occupation there
[11:34] Gavin.Hird the only commits  they make these days are some guidebook floater
[11:35] Gavin.Hird which is not very interesting given we don't have anything to pupulate it with
[11:35] Gavin.Hird populate*
[11:36] Ubit Umarov: yeap tpvs meeting was like  3 weeks ago?
[11:36] Gavin.Hird yes
[11:36] Andrew Hellershanks: guidebook? Is that some other version of their destination guide?
[11:36] Gavin.Hird the old How-to regurgitated
[11:36] Andrew Hellershanks: oh.
[11:37] Gavin.Hird you have to make a login to a SL account to load anything
[11:38] Andrew Hellershanks: Not exactly something very exciting.
[11:38] Gavin.Hird nope
[11:41] Andrew Hellershanks: Anything else new in the world of OpenSim? More EEP changes or upcoming changes we can expect to see soon?
[11:42] Gavin.Hird not really
[11:42] Ubit Umarov: have some work on Yengine scripts time, i did no commit ( still need to clean )
[11:43] Ubit Umarov: and  a few more things on disk i even don't remember what :)
[11:43] Gavin.Hird stashes
[11:43] Ubit Umarov: fun..  the LSL list funtions timing stat goes sky high when VS debug is attached
[11:44] Ubit Umarov: deattaching it, goes back to normal values
[11:44] Ubit Umarov: even considering they are heavy.. diference is huge
[11:45] Gavin.Hird how long will mono in its current form be around?
[11:45] Ubit Umarov: ( i mean the lsl list functions are heavy.. )
[11:45] Ubit Umarov: need ask ms goods
[11:45] Ubit Umarov: gods
[11:45] Ubit Umarov: that is if they know..
[11:45] Gavin.Hird I read some article from MS/mono and it sounds like a major upheaval is in the works
[11:45] Ubit Umarov: .net5 totally replaces it on linux also
[11:46] Ubit Umarov: has its own mono like thing
[11:46] Gavin.Hird it also saud there will not be a 64-bit ARM version till .net6 is out
[11:46] Gavin.Hird said
[11:46] Ubit Umarov: well guess not that long for that
[11:47] Gavin.Hird fall this year earliest
[11:47] Ubit Umarov: yeah guess that's what i seen also
[11:47] Ubit Umarov: so really not sure what is mono's future
[11:48] Ubit Umarov: it did got a huge boost when ms took over
[11:48] Gavin.Hird I sat back with a lot of questions
[11:48] Gavin.Hird oen of them will opensim even run without a rewrite
[11:48] Ubit Umarov: but possible because they used it as startup for their own thing??
[11:48] Ubit Umarov: yeah a few things will need a rewrite
[11:49] Ubit Umarov: i actually did change a few things on that path :)
[11:49] Gavin.Hird oh, ok
[11:49] Ubit Umarov: removed a few thigns .net5 will never have
[11:49] Ubit Umarov: but .. lots around i gusee
[11:50] Ubit Umarov: and those are the ones seen by a automatic check tool i used
[11:50] Gavin.Hird ic
[11:50] Ubit Umarov: well a addon to vs2019
[11:50] Andrew Hellershanks: useful tool
[11:50] Ubit Umarov: yeah
[11:51] Ubit Umarov: i did a few cases in recent months
[11:52] Ubit Umarov: xengine appdomains must go for good, bc they are gone
[11:52] Ubit Umarov: but the later one looks the better
[11:53] Ubit Umarov: not long ago the list of things new .netx would not do was huge
[11:53] Ubit Umarov: that included all bitmap code for example
[11:53] Andrew Hellershanks: It would be good to make appdomains go away. There has often been confusion about whether it should be set or not based on the operating system of the computer running the code.
[11:53] Ubit Umarov: .net core 2.0 devs doutrin was that all apps would need to convert
[11:54] Ubit Umarov whispers: on 3.0 and so 5 guess the big boss told them NO we need to keep our clients.. :)
[11:54] Ubit Umarov: on 3.0 and so 5 guess the big boss told them NO we need to keep our clients.. :)
[11:55] Ubit Umarov: wonder why fs decides somethings need to be whisper..
[11:55] Andrew Hellershanks: Happens to me now and then. It thinks one of the modifier keys was down when you hit return.
[11:55] Ubit Umarov: yeah guess so
[11:56] Ubit Umarov: seen a streamer lose a few games he was playing , bc his pc was doing double mouse clicks when he made just a single
[11:57] Ubit Umarov: on that game double click was a comand to move ALL troops to the clicked location
[11:57] Ubit Umarov: something you will never want to do :)
[11:58] Andrew Hellershanks: Probably not.
[11:58] Andrew Hellershanks: We are almost at the top of the hour.
[11:59] Andrew Hellershanks: Jagga, did you have a question or comment? I thought I saw you typing something earlier.
[12:00] Ubit Umarov: wel long ago on word of tanks had a guy on my clan that had a laptop that did mouse clicks all the time..
[12:00] Ubit Umarov: so as soon the battle stated... there he was bang..... bang...    bang...
[12:00] Andrew Hellershanks: If he was just using the mousepad I can see that happening.
[12:00] Ubit Umarov: :)
[12:01] Ubit Umarov: first thing we had to do was to run way from the front of him :)
[12:01] Gavin.Hird is twitter down for you guys?
[12:01] Ubit Umarov: what is twitter?
[12:01] Ubit Umarov: ;)
[12:01] Andrew Hellershanks doesn't use twitter
[12:01] Jamie.Jordan looking
[12:01] Ubit Umarov: but can test if you paste a link
[12:01] Gavin.Hird looks like there is more or less full on war in Gaza and Tel Aviv, so tweets are not loading
[12:02] Ubit Umarov: bahh those are always on war :(
[12:02] Andrew Hellershanks: The login page for twitter comes up. No idea if the service is operating normally.
[12:02] Jamie.Jordan it's up for me
[12:02] Gavin.Hird sure, but it is getting a bit more serious tonite
[12:03] Gavin.Hird ok, Jamie
[12:03] Gavin.Hird thx
[12:03] Andrew Hellershanks: We have just gone past the top of the hour. Any last minute items for today?
[12:03] Selby.Evans Twitter works for me im US
[12:04] Gavin.Hird the site loads, but messages are not loading
[12:04] Andrew Hellershanks: Heading out, Selby?
[12:04] Ubit Umarov: just seen on news USA tell all should stop silly things,  BUT israel has all right to self defense
[12:04] Ubit Umarov: bahh
[12:04] Gavin.Hird
[12:04] Gavin.Hird live feed
[12:04] Selby.Evans bye all
[12:04] Jagga Meredith: OSSL(?) broke on my regions.  anybody got the link on how to fix it?
[12:04] Gavin.Hird not sure if it works ouside Norway
[12:04] Andrew Hellershanks: Bye, Selby. See you next week.
[12:04] Ubit Umarov: cya selby.Evans
[12:04] Gavin.Hird Bye Selby
[12:05] Ubit Umarov: no missiles in sky gavin.Hird
[12:05] Andrew Hellershanks: Jagga, what did you do to break it?
[12:05] Gavin.Hird there were a few minuts ago
[12:05] Ubit Umarov: wait.. a police car..
[12:05] Ubit Umarov: hmm gone
[12:05] Jagga Meredith: think it broke when i switched to yengine
[12:05] Gavin.Hird they have to reload you know
[12:05] Jamie.Jordan have a good day gents
[12:05] Ubit Umarov: u 2
[12:05] Andrew Hellershanks: ok, Jamie. Thanks for coming.
[12:06] Gavin.Hird Cheers Jamie
[12:06] Andrew Hellershanks: Jagga, are you running master?
[12:06] Andrew Hellershanks: or latest 0.9 release?
[12:07] Ubit Umarov: no link about how to fix ossl
[12:07] Jagga Meredith: latest i think
[12:07] Ubit Umarov: ossl just does not break like that
[12:07] Andrew Hellershanks: Jagga, make sure you have your ossl settings in a section outside of [XEngine]. They were moved ages ago.
[12:07] Jagga Meredith: ok, must have screwed up config somehow
[12:07] Jagga Meredith: ahhh
[12:07] Ubit Umarov: sure this or that thing may have issues..  but you need to be more concret ofc
[12:08] Jagga Meredith: that would do it
[12:08] Ubit Umarov: but that is for Xengine also( i thing)
[12:08] Jagga Meredith: all OSSL things either dont work or throw errors
[12:08] Ubit Umarov: hmm the explosions are on that video?
[12:08] Gavin.Hird yes
[12:08] Gavin.Hird outside cam view
[12:09] Jagga Meredith: ok got enough to go on
[12:09] Jagga Meredith: thanks
[12:09] Ubit Umarov: ok it mb that then..  the enable section is now named [OSSL]
[12:09] Jagga Meredith: ok
[12:09] Ubit Umarov: oops
[12:10] Ubit Umarov: i pressed some keus conbo that removed all prims from rez
[12:10] Jagga Meredith: oh dear
[12:10] Ubit Umarov: anyone remembers what is it?
[12:10] Ubit Umarov: hm animeh still there
[12:10] Jagga Meredith: yay
[12:11] Gavin.Hird ctrl+alt+shift+1?
[12:11] Ubit Umarov: nopes not that
[12:11] Gavin.Hird PEBKAC
[12:11] Andrew Hellershanks: Jagga, you should have a separate [OSSL] section. The ini files were moved to a separate file a while back.
[12:11] Andrew Hellershanks: See osslEnable.ini
[12:12] Jagga Meredith: ah
[12:12] Jagga Meredith: ok
[12:12] Ubit Umarov: well relog took a bit, but worked :)
[12:12] Ubit Umarov: have prims again :)
[12:13] Gavin.Hird yeah, it would be stupid if all keystrokes were preserved across logins
[12:13] Ubit Umarov: yeah
[12:14] Gavin.Hird that could render the viewer pretty useless save a full reinstall
[12:14] Gavin.Hird :_)
[12:14] Ubit Umarov: :)
[12:14] Ubit Umarov: yeah and just could not remember what where the keys
[12:14] Ubit Umarov: ( and possible revert needed others )
[12:15] Gavin.Hird lol
[12:15] Ubit Umarov: seems they did run out of ammo
[12:16] Ubit Umarov: need to iran get more now
[12:16] Ubit Umarov: need go to..
[12:16] Jagga Meredith: bye
[12:16] Jagga Meredith: me too
[12:16] Ubit Umarov: cya jabba
[12:16] Gavin.Hird tc Ubit
[12:16] Ubit Umarov: and jagga
[12:16] Ubit Umarov: oops
[12:17] Ubit Umarov: that need to go was a correction to previus sentece :p
[12:17] Gavin.Hird oh
[12:17] Ubit Umarov: the gaza guys did run out of ammo, now need to go iran to get more
[12:18] Gavin.Hird I think the focus was on Tel Aviv
[12:18] Ubit Umarov: my cat is so clever
[12:18] Gavin.Hird right now, but they cut the feed
[12:18] Ubit Umarov: she did mute the gava audio :)
[12:18] Ubit Umarov: gaza also
[12:19] Ubit Umarov: ( yes she just did walk all over my keyboard .. )
[12:19] Gavin.Hird taking the press every key approach?
[12:20] Ubit Umarov: yeah that gaza video director will not be hired to mk  star wars.. 2 slow
[12:20] Gavin.Hird it is a direct feed
[12:20] Gavin.Hird things may or may not happen
[12:20] Ubit Umarov: im just telling silly things :)
[12:21] Gavin.Hird you should blame Reutres
[12:21] Gavin.Hird as the feed is from them
[12:21] Ubit Umarov: bd really i totally lost pacience for that "war"
[12:21] Ubit Umarov: see it all my life..
[12:21] Gavin.Hird decades ago
[12:21] Ubit Umarov: they just do not want peace.. neither side
[12:21] Gavin.Hird I am in the could not care less mode a loooooooong time ago
[12:22] Ubit Umarov: and good  most countries also
[12:23] Ubit Umarov: no fear of a strike from Egipt or siria.. or something
[12:24] Gavin.Hird from what I could gather Hamas had acquired much more advanced missiles this time
[12:24] Gavin.Hird outsmarting the dome
[12:24] Ubit Umarov: they got some form iran
[12:24] Andrew Hellershanks: Sorry, had a phone call from a client. I need to go and quickly write some code to encode some strings.
[12:24] Ubit Umarov: and possible made their own
[12:24] Gavin.Hird possibly
[12:24] Andrew Hellershanks: Just to keep it official...
[12:25] Ubit Umarov: not that big rocket science
[12:25] Andrew Hellershanks: Thank you all for coming. See you again next week. :)
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