Chat log from the meeting on 2015-12-01

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[2015/12/01 10:58]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: hello
[2015/12/01 10:58]  Shez Oyen: Rich :)
[2015/12/01 10:58]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: aine that show's me mesh errors
[2015/12/01 10:58]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: heh ya wierd you are up in the air
[2015/12/01 10:58]  Shez Oyen: levitating
[2015/12/01 10:58]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: :)
[2015/12/01 10:58]  Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: no idea Rich
[2015/12/01 10:58]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: in SL people would go nuits now. PG and no clothing !
[2015/12/01 10:58]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: ya must be cached wierd here
[2015/12/01 10:58]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: i see Aine as triangles too
[2015/12/01 10:58]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: pyramids, if we all see it probably region has something cached bad
[2015/12/01 10:59]  Shez Oyen: I see her bod (it's lovely) but no clothes, shoes or hair
[2015/12/01 10:59]  Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002 sighs
[2015/12/01 10:59]  Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: okay....have a great meeting
[2015/12/01 10:59]  Shez Oyen: awww
[2015/12/01 11:00]  Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: not going to sit her naked
[2015/12/01 11:00]  Shez Oyen: try relogging?
[2015/12/01 11:00]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: well, i see the hair. but clothing is ripped of in the transporter
[2015/12/01 11:00]  Shez Oyen: I doubt anyone would gripe
[2015/12/01 11:00]  Wolf.Freeman @free-world.spdns.de:8002: Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ -.- guten Morgen -.-  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ
[2015/12/01 11:00]  Shez Oyen: LOL
[2015/12/01 11:00]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: hi wolf
[2015/12/01 11:00]  Shez Oyen: Ola Wolf
[2015/12/01 11:00]  Wolf.Freeman @free-world.spdns.de:8002: may be its tuesdey ?
[2015/12/01 11:01]  Shez Oyen: we can all get naked if it makes you more comfortable
[2015/12/01 11:01]  Shez Oyen: (teasing)
[2015/12/01 11:01]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: lol
[2015/12/01 11:01]  Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: I was just going to ask if anyone else who was using o.9.0 with Win10 was getting the vicious memory leaks I am....RAM use grows by about 100MB/minute until Windows switches into VR which is impossible
[2015/12/01 11:01]  Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: but I'll just go home and let you all be productive
[2015/12/01 11:01]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: are you running the very latest code?
[2015/12/01 11:02]  Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: yes
[2015/12/01 11:02]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: there was a point where maptile creation timer was hard coded
[2015/12/01 11:02]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: i imagine that could have been causing leaks
[2015/12/01 11:02]  Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: within an hour it's using 16GB+ of ram
[2015/12/01 11:02]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: but if you are on the master code as of today then its probably not that
[2015/12/01 11:02]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: no i have not seen or heard anyting like that Aine
[2015/12/01 11:02]  Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: no, I didn't update today
[2015/12/01 11:02]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: thats is odd
[2015/12/01 11:03]  Andrew Hellershanks is Online
[2015/12/01 11:03]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: it would have actually been in the last few days
[2015/12/01 11:03]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: when was last time you updated?
[2015/12/01 11:03]  Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: I reverted to 0.8.2 posefix and will just use that from now on
[2015/12/01 11:03]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: ineb i used 0.8.1 configs on 0.8.2 because the 0.8.2 i made gave me missing [sumulator] section but it where in all files
[2015/12/01 11:03]  Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: *post
[2015/12/01 11:03]  Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: have a good meeting eveyone
[2015/12/01 11:03]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: Richardus that is wierd for sure
[2015/12/01 11:04]  Andrew Hellershanks: Oh, wow. This is interesting. I logged in to here instead of winding up at the front of the building as usually happens when I arrive in the grid.
[2015/12/01 11:04]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: ya i had same thing happen when i relogged
[2015/12/01 11:04]  Wolf.Freeman @free-world.spdns.de:8002: Chat Bug is fixed !!! verry good
[2015/12/01 11:04]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: guess the telehub functionality may have changed
[2015/12/01 11:04]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: Mabye i made error. someone told me use 0.8.1 what i where doing after failing. need to check it later again
[2015/12/01 11:04]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: cool Wolf, i never did see that bug
[2015/12/01 11:04]  Andrew Hellershanks: Or the landing point setting has been lost.
[2015/12/01 11:04]  Shez Oyen: Andrew has an unrezzed skirt on
[2015/12/01 11:05]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: maybe it was a telehub though
[2015/12/01 11:05]  Wolf.Freeman @free-world.spdns.de:8002: its was funny but not realy usefull
[2015/12/01 11:05]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: or you know
[2015/12/01 11:05]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: maybe we dont use telehub here
[2015/12/01 11:05]  Andrew Hellershanks: yea, not sure.
[2015/12/01 11:05]  Andrew Hellershanks: AFAICT, there is a landing point set for here.
[2015/12/01 11:05]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: yea
[2015/12/01 11:06]  Andrew Hellershanks: np. Just saved me having to fly up here. :)
[2015/12/01 11:06]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: I was hoping a few more people would show up today
[2015/12/01 11:06]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: so we could jump over to OSCC
[2015/12/01 11:06]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: but with just us its not worth the effort
[2015/12/01 11:06]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: landing pint works
[2015/12/01 11:06]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: ive already had more people than this in trainings heh
[2015/12/01 11:06]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: ah well
[2015/12/01 11:06]  Andrew Hellershanks: I thought I had an account in the OSCC grid but I haven't been able to log in directly to that grid..
[2015/12/01 11:07]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: i can take a look
[2015/12/01 11:07]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: 1 sec
[2015/12/01 11:07]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: \it's quite yes
[2015/12/01 11:07]  Andrew Hellershanks: ok
[2015/12/01 11:07]  Andrew Hellershanks: People still recovering from Black Friday and Cyber Monday?
[2015/12/01 11:07]  Shez Oyen: people are prb fried from traveling for holiday.
[2015/12/01 11:07]  Shez Oyen: jinx
[2015/12/01 11:08]  Andrew Hellershanks: Shez, nol quite. I said from shopping. you said travelling. :)
[2015/12/01 11:08]  Shez Oyen: :p
[2015/12/01 11:08]  Wolf.Freeman @free-world.spdns.de:8002: i have a Tiki-Beachhouse_Mesh, verry nice, works well in 0.8.3 but now on 0.9.0 it has bad Physics
[2015/12/01 11:08]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: haha ya maybe
[2015/12/01 11:08]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: busy time of year
[2015/12/01 11:08]  IM: Andrew Hellershanks: Oh. I forgot I had used that email addy.
[2015/12/01 11:08]  IM: Andrew Hellershanks: ty
[2015/12/01 11:08]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: well I dont have much to add, I am busy working on OSCC
[2015/12/01 11:09]  Simulator Version v0.5 shouts: OpenSim 0.9.0.0 Dev        d952b26: 2015-11-29 18:28:14 +0000 (Unix/Mono)
[2015/12/01 11:09]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: http://cc.opensimulator.org:8002
[2015/12/01 11:09]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: if you want to hop over and explore sometime
[2015/12/01 11:09]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: just type "oscc" on the map once you arrive
[2015/12/01 11:09]  Andrew Hellershanks: I've been dealing with DB backups the last week or two.
[2015/12/01 11:09]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: you can see all of the locations
[2015/12/01 11:09]  Wolf.Freeman @free-world.spdns.de:8002: #- OK ! -#
[2015/12/01 11:09]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: hello Kayaker
[2015/12/01 11:09]  Kayaker Magic: Hey! I came back where I left from instead of appearing at the hub!
[2015/12/01 11:09]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: ah cool some more people showing up
[2015/12/01 11:09]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: maybe if some more show up we can jump over in a bit
[2015/12/01 11:10]  Andrew Hellershanks: Kayaker, I said the same thing.
[2015/12/01 11:10]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: see how a mass teleport does
[2015/12/01 11:10]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: darn things are slow to rez here today
[2015/12/01 11:10]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: be nice to have like 10 or so people all jump to OSCC Keynote 1 at once
[2015/12/01 11:10]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: hold on, need to adjust the link
[2015/12/01 11:10]  Kayaker Magic: Rezzing is pretty fast forme!
[2015/12/01 11:10]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: ya not yet
[2015/12/01 11:10]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: in a bit
[2015/12/01 11:10]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: http is wrong
[2015/12/01 11:10]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: lets wait another 20 minutes or so see who shows up
[2015/12/01 11:10]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: ok, got it in map
[2015/12/01 11:10]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: when we do eventually HG over
[2015/12/01 11:11]  Andrew Hellershanks: I have LM's for oscc.
[2015/12/01 11:11]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: it will be to > http://cc.opensimulator.org:8002 "OSCC Keynote 1"
[2015/12/01 11:11]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: landmarks from last year will not work
[2015/12/01 11:11]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: we renamed everything to have OSCC in the name
[2015/12/01 11:11]  Andrew Hellershanks: Oh. :P
[2015/12/01 11:11]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: so you can just type "oscc" on the map and find everything
[2015/12/01 11:11]  Shez Oyen: Hi Shy :)
[2015/12/01 11:11]  Shy Robbiani: hello all :)
[2015/12/01 11:11]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: ya last year it was just "Keynote 1" this year its "OSCC Keynote 1"
[2015/12/01 11:11]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: etc..
[2015/12/01 11:12]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: actually we did it for opensimworld.com listings
[2015/12/01 11:12]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: since "Keynote 1" was not very descriptive
[2015/12/01 11:12]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: as a title for our pages etc..
[2015/12/01 11:12]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: cc.opensimulator.org:8002/ oscc keynote 1
[2015/12/01 11:12]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: oh sorry
[2015/12/01 11:12]  Andrew Hellershanks: Properties for the LM says Keynote 1 @ http://cc.opensimulator.org:8002
[2015/12/01 11:12]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: ya that will fail
[2015/12/01 11:12]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: cc.opensimulator.org:8002
[2015/12/01 11:12]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: you would either not make or end up on a landing zone probably
[2015/12/01 11:13]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: probably not make it since it will say region doesnt exist
[2015/12/01 11:13]  Andrew Hellershanks nods
[2015/12/01 11:13]  Andrew Hellershanks: oh, that is just a description field too so my changing that won't make any difference
[2015/12/01 11:13]  Kayaker Magic: What is the syntax for those links? Remove the " characters, keep all the spaces?
[2015/12/01 11:13]  Sarah Kline is Online
[2015/12/01 11:14]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: cc.opensimulator.org:8002/ oscc keynote 1
[2015/12/01 11:14]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: gha
[2015/12/01 11:14]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: cc.opensimulator.org:8002:oscc keynote 1 <==that's the form i always use
[2015/12/01 11:14]  Hans Nerido is Offline
[2015/12/01 11:14]  Andrew Hellershanks: That second : should probably be a /
[2015/12/01 11:15]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: for pasting in the world map or passing to osTeleportAgent
[2015/12/01 11:15]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: Andrew: nope, : works fine, / messes things up for me
[2015/12/01 11:15]  Hans Nerido is Online
[2015/12/01 11:15]  Andrew Hellershanks: yea, but it is a URL
[2015/12/01 11:15]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: is also the format used by opensimworld.com btw, with : instead of /
[2015/12/01 11:15]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: nah it's not a url if it hasn't a protocol in front of it :)
[2015/12/01 11:15]  Kayaker Magic: ...8002<spacebar>oscc<spacebar>keynote<spacebar>1 Finds it on the map for me.
[2015/12/01 11:16]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: type this next line exactly in map search with the " and all
[2015/12/01 11:16]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: i guess opensim just doesn't care if it is :, /, space or whatever :)
[2015/12/01 11:16]  Andrew Hellershanks: Also found it with -> 8002/ oscc ... for me.
[2015/12/01 11:16]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: http://cc.opensimulator.org:8002 "OSCC Keynote 1"
[2015/12/01 11:16]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: Neb, i still have some object a tree with floting felxi error. not want to delete the tree mabye i can remove the fexi to fix it
[2015/12/01 11:16]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ into map search
[2015/12/01 11:16]  Kayaker Magic: MICROPHONE OFF!
[2015/12/01 11:16]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: yeah that one didn't work for me (with http and / "...
[2015/12/01 11:16]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: Also wish opensim fixt automatical http:\\ errors
[2015/12/01 11:16]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: Richardus i bet if you just unlink and relink it
[2015/12/01 11:16]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: it might fix it
[2015/12/01 11:17]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: hard to say
[2015/12/01 11:17]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: Aha. unlink and link. thanks i tried to take and rezz it
[2015/12/01 11:17]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: depends on how broken it is
[2015/12/01 11:17]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: ive seen that work in various instances with the flexi error though
[2015/12/01 11:17]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: its a xml error right?
[2015/12/01 11:17]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: serialization or something?
[2015/12/01 11:18]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: sometimes just toggling a flag will fix it too
[2015/12/01 11:18]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: no some floating poin t error from 7 years ago . , vs . sofar i see and remember
[2015/12/01 11:18]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: like make the object copy
[2015/12/01 11:18]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: then uncheck copy
[2015/12/01 11:18]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: ah hmm that might be more difficult then
[2015/12/01 11:18]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: that may be a serialization format we dont support
[2015/12/01 11:18]  Kayaker Magic: SOMEONE HAS A MICROPHONE ON!
[2015/12/01 11:18]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: one that was short lived or produced as a result of a bug
[2015/12/01 11:18]  Andrew Hellershanks: I've got my cat calling for me and some other RL thing happening here. I'll bbiab.
[2015/12/01 11:18]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: "still not suppoort" :O
[2015/12/01 11:19]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: we cant really support broken formats
[2015/12/01 11:19]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: try unnlinking it though
[2015/12/01 11:19]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: see what happens
[2015/12/01 11:19]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: lol, the broken format broke things
[2015/12/01 11:19]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: you might get lucky
[2015/12/01 11:19]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: i try a copy or unlink and link
[2015/12/01 11:19]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: you could also try export it from viewer
[2015/12/01 11:19]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: with the export functions
[2015/12/01 11:19]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: then reimport it
[2015/12/01 11:19]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: that may filter out bad stuff
[2015/12/01 11:19]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: other option to try
[2015/12/01 11:20]  Ubit Umarov is Online
[2015/12/01 11:20]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: oar is not filterinmg it out.
[2015/12/01 11:20]  Hans Nerido is Offline
[2015/12/01 11:21]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: i go try it after meeting
[2015/12/01 11:21]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: k cool
[2015/12/01 11:21]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: ive been spreading word about quick load test in 10 minutes
[2015/12/01 11:21]  Hans Nerido is Online
[2015/12/01 11:21]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: if you are just getting here
[2015/12/01 11:22]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: i would like us all to teleport relatively simulatanously over to OSCC grid
[2015/12/01 11:22]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: so if you can ping anyone please do
[2015/12/01 11:22]  Ubit Umarov is Online
[2015/12/01 11:22]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: more the merrier
[2015/12/01 11:22]  Kayaker Magic: I have to get ready for an RL meeting but will wait and join the load test before I go.
[2015/12/01 11:23]  [OSGrid Town Hall Meeting] Nebadon Izumi: [2:20:36 PM] nebadon2025: in a few moments will be conducting an impromptu load test
[2:20:48 PM] nebadon2025: it will be lightly attended maybe have like 12 people right now or so
[2:20:59 PM] nebadon2025: trying to gather up a few more
[2:21:03 PM] nebadon2025: in about 10 minutes on OSCC Keynote 1
[2:21:05 PM] nebadon2025: if you can
[2015/12/01 11:23]  [OSGrid Town Hall Meeting] Nebadon Izumi: HG to > http://cc.opensimulator.org:8002 "OSCC Keynote 1"
[2015/12/01 11:23]  [OSGrid Town Hall Meeting] Nebadon Izumi: test will start in 7 minutes
[2015/12/01 11:23]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: ok cool
[2015/12/01 11:23]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: in just a few minutes we will
[2015/12/01 11:24]  [OSGrid Town Hall Meeting] Aussie Envee: ok
[2015/12/01 11:24]  Ubit Umarov is Online
[2015/12/01 11:24]  [OSGrid Town Hall Meeting] Nebadon Izumi: thanks :)
[2015/12/01 11:25]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: spamming spamming spamming, let's see if anyone bites :)
[2015/12/01 11:25]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: hehe ya
[2015/12/01 11:25]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: im hitting up all the channels
[2015/12/01 11:25]  Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: hi Tom
[2015/12/01 11:25]  Andrew Hellershanks: I'm back
[2015/12/01 11:25]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: wb :)
[2015/12/01 11:25]  Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: waves hello to Nebadon
[2015/12/01 11:25]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: ah! one bite already :) hey Isis :)
[2015/12/01 11:25]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: hello Isis
[2015/12/01 11:25]  Ubit Umarov is Online
[2015/12/01 11:25]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: Hi Kered! thanks for coming over too :)
[2015/12/01 11:25]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: everyone down at landing zone we are going to do a load test in a minute
[2015/12/01 11:25]  Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: hi Kered, hi Timothy
[2015/12/01 11:26]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: you are welcome to join us :)
[2015/12/01 11:26]  Kered.Owl @grid.3rdrockgrid.com:8002: Hi All
[2015/12/01 11:26]  Timothy.Hoxley @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: hello, I am currently headless
[2015/12/01 11:26]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: hi
[2015/12/01 11:26]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: what's in a head anyway :)
[2015/12/01 11:26]  Timothy.Hoxley @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: my head has been lost in the abyss that is the hypergrid void
[2015/12/01 11:26]  Nebadon Izumi: Nearly Headless Tim
[2015/12/01 11:26]  Nebadon Izumi: :)
[2015/12/01 11:26]  Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: hi Shy
[2015/12/01 11:26]  Nebadon Izumi: sorry i watched harry potter yesterday lol
[2015/12/01 11:26]  Shy Robbiani: I was too fast :)
[2015/12/01 11:26]  Joe Radik: Do you want us to bring more than one avatar if available?
[2015/12/01 11:27]  Cuteulala Artis is Offline
[2015/12/01 11:27]  Nebadon Izumi: sure
[2015/12/01 11:27]  Ubit Umarov is Online
[2015/12/01 11:27]  Nebadon Izumi: if you can
[2015/12/01 11:27]  Wolf.Freeman @free-world.spdns.de:8002: now i can ride a jetsky from est to west on my Grid...3Km far...lol#...its great^^
[2015/12/01 11:27]  Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: hi Wolf
[2015/12/01 11:27]  Andrew Hellershanks: oh, I can do that by logging in to another grid first.
[2015/12/01 11:27]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: i've posted on g+ as well about the load test..
[2015/12/01 11:27]  Kayaker Magic: Friend of mine made a Halloween costume this year that was a transparent mask to hide her head, and a neck prim that squirted out blood particles.
[2015/12/01 11:27]  Kered.Owl @grid.3rdrockgrid.com:8002: are we testing here or elsewhere
[2015/12/01 11:28]  Kered.Owl @grid.3rdrockgrid.com:8002: I can probabally getb a few more avatars
[2015/12/01 11:28]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: Kered: we will all jump over to cc.opensimulator.org:8002:oscc keynote 1 when Neb says 'jump' :)
[2015/12/01 11:28]  Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: I can bring my osgrid avatar, not sure if that heps
[2015/12/01 11:28]  Mojo Risin is Online
[2015/12/01 11:28]  Nebadon Izumi: sure
[2015/12/01 11:28]  Nebadon Izumi: bring as many avatars as you can
[2015/12/01 11:28]  Nebadon Izumi: im loggin in an alt here now
[2015/12/01 11:28]  Cuteulala Artis is Offline
[2015/12/01 11:28]  Ubit Umarov is Online
[2015/12/01 11:28]  Wolf.Freeman @free-world.spdns.de:8002: jump to Conference ???
[2015/12/01 11:28]  Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: Tom that is HG addy?
[2015/12/01 11:28]  Nebadon Izumi: 1 second
[2015/12/01 11:29]  Nebadon Izumi: let me get my alt here
[2015/12/01 11:29]  Nebadon Izumi: then we can start a count down timer
[2015/12/01 11:29]  Wolf.Freeman @free-world.spdns.de:8002: Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ  haha - LOL  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ
[2015/12/01 11:29]  Nebadon Izumi: id like us to jump as closely as possible
[2015/12/01 11:29]  Nebs Metal Bar Stool v1.5 (w/sit & launch): Hello Mojo Risin, enjoy your sit..
[2015/12/01 11:29]  Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: me too
[2015/12/01 11:29]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: hi Neovo :)
[2015/12/01 11:29]  Neovo.Geesink @hypergrid.org:8002: This is a familiar place... :-)
[2015/12/01 11:29]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: cc.opensimulator.org:8002 right ?
[2015/12/01 11:29]  Nebadon Izumi: ok everyone get your map ready
[2015/12/01 11:29]  Cuteulala Artis is Online
[2015/12/01 11:29]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: Neovo: we will all jump over to cc.opensimulator.org:8002:oscc keynote 1 when Neb says 'jump' :)
[2015/12/01 11:30]  Nebadon Izumi: in map search box type the following > http://cc.opensimulator.org:8002 "OSCC Keynote 1"
[2015/12/01 11:30]  Ubit Umarov is Online
[2015/12/01 11:30]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: http://cc.opensimulator.org:8002/ oscc keynote 1 seems betetr
[2015/12/01 11:30]  Kayaker Magic: I have my Kitely avatar ready to jump from there.
[2015/12/01 11:30]  Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: am bringing my alt here too
[2015/12/01 11:30]  Wolf.Freeman @free-world.spdns.de:8002: some one standing on my Internet - lan its getting slow
[2015/12/01 11:30]  Wolf.Freeman @free-world.spdns.de:8002: shit
[2015/12/01 11:30]  Nebadon Izumi: :)
[2015/12/01 11:31]  Nebadon Izumi: is everyone ready?
[2015/12/01 11:31]  Kayaker Magic: y
[2015/12/01 11:31]  Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: http:// wont work for me in singularity
[2015/12/01 11:31]  Shy Robbiani: yes
[2015/12/01 11:31]  Nebadon Izumi: k try without the http
[2015/12/01 11:31]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: remove http and paste it in map search
[2015/12/01 11:31]  Kered Rickena: can I have the jamp address
[2015/12/01 11:31]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: Isis: try cc.opensimulator.org:8002:oscc keynote 1
[2015/12/01 11:31]  Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: ok got hg
[2015/12/01 11:31]  Wolf.Freeman @free-world.spdns.de:8002: destination ??
[2015/12/01 11:31]  Nebadon Izumi: ya wierd some viewers that works some it doesnt
[2015/12/01 11:31]  Shy Robbiani: or simply cc.opensimulator.org:8002
[2015/12/01 11:31]  Neovo.Geesink @hypergrid.org:8002: Ready...
[2015/12/01 11:31]  Nebadon Izumi: ok most everyone ready to go?
[2015/12/01 11:31]  Andrew Hellershanks: Just getting ready.
[2015/12/01 11:31]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: shy: that won't get you to keynote 1, right?
[2015/12/01 11:31]  Simulator Version v0.5 shouts: OpenSim 0.9.0.0 Dev        d952b26: 2015-11-29 18:28:14 +0000 (Unix/Mono)
[2015/12/01 11:32]  Nebadon Izumi: ok 1 more minute
[2015/12/01 11:32]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: i'm ready..
[2015/12/01 11:32]  Nebadon Izumi: then we will go
[2015/12/01 11:32]  Andrew Hellershanks: I have to C&P the info
[2015/12/01 11:32]  Shy Robbiani: hmmm... cant find oscc
[2015/12/01 11:32]  Nebadon Izumi: Andrew say when you are ready
[2015/12/01 11:32]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: cc.opensimulator.org:8002/ oscc keynote 1
[2015/12/01 11:32]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: shy: 'oscc keynote 1' not just 'oscc' :)
[2015/12/01 11:32]  Kayaker Magic: I almost jumped when the Simulator Version prim shouted at me!
[2015/12/01 11:32]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: uhh no
[2015/12/01 11:32]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: cc.opensimulator.org:8002:oscc keynote 1
[2015/12/01 11:32]  Shy Robbiani: ok... got it
[2015/12/01 11:32]  harrit.vanbeek @grid.your2live.com:8002: hi all
[2015/12/01 11:32]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: that one works
[2015/12/01 11:32]  Andrew Hellershanks: Using : and no spaces in the destination doesn't work
[2015/12/01 11:32]  Ubit Umarov is Online
[2015/12/01 11:32]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: ready
[2015/12/01 11:33]  Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: hey Neovo
[2015/12/01 11:33]  Shy Robbiani: ready
[2015/12/01 11:33]  Nebadon Izumi: K antyone not ready?
[2015/12/01 11:33]  Neovo.Geesink @hypergrid.org:8002: Ready...
[2015/12/01 11:33]  Nebadon Izumi: ok lets do it
[2015/12/01 11:33]  Nebadon Izumi: see you there
[2015/12/01 11:33]  Kered.Owl @grid.3rdrockgrid.com:8002: can't use it
[2015/12/01 11:33]  Nebs Metal Bar Stool v1.5 (w/sit & launch): Goodbye..
[2015/12/01 11:33]  Nebs Metal Bar Stool v1.5 (w/sit & launch): Goodbye..
[2015/12/01 11:33]  Teleport completed from https://osgrid/region/Wright%20Plaza/147/151/33
[2015/12/01 11:34]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: lalal
[2015/12/01 11:34]  Connecting to in-world Voice Chat...
[2015/12/01 11:34]  Connected
[2015/12/01 11:34]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: frozen
[2015/12/01 11:34]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: there we go
[2015/12/01 11:34]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: w00t
[2015/12/01 11:34]  Nebadon Izumi: Nice!
[2015/12/01 11:34]  Nebadon Izumi: that was smooth for me
[2015/12/01 11:34]  Samuel Greenway gave you HG MOTOPOLIS OPENSIM SPEEDWAY, OSGrandPrix (1194, 385, 21).
[2015/12/01 11:34]  Crista.Lopes @nile.ics.uci.edu:9000: it's dark in here
[2015/12/01 11:34]  Joe Radik: I thought it was smooth
[2015/12/01 11:34]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: yeah, just a few seconds of not being able to adjust movement
[2015/12/01 11:34]  Nebadon Izumi: dark?
[2015/12/01 11:34]  Nebadon Izumi: seems ok to me
[2015/12/01 11:34]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: it woirked fine for me
[2015/12/01 11:34]  Shy Robbiani: <- feels like sent back to 2007 :)
[2015/12/01 11:34]  Crista.Lopes @nile.ics.uci.edu:9000: yeah, it;s the middleo f the night
[2015/12/01 11:34]  Nebadon Izumi: maybe give it a minute to settle, but mass teleport
[2015/12/01 11:35]  Nebadon Izumi: ah make sure you have Region WL enabled
[2015/12/01 11:35]  Nebadon Izumi: in the windlight panel o toolbar
[2015/12/01 11:35]  Crista.Lopes @nile.ics.uci.edu:9000: where
[2015/12/01 11:35]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: andrew: using : and no space worked perfectly for me :)
[2015/12/01 11:35]  Nebadon Izumi: in singularity/replex its bottom right corner
[2015/12/01 11:35]  Nebadon Izumi: the very last up/down arror menu
[2015/12/01 11:35]  Kayaker.Magic @grid.kitely.com:8002: My OSGrid avatar could not move, then got logged out
[2015/12/01 11:35]  Nebadon Izumi: where you adjust windlight settings
[2015/12/01 11:36]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: in singulairy i use the quickstart bototm right.
[2015/12/01 11:36]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: server side is always a gamble
[2015/12/01 11:37]  Nebadon Izumi: any luck Crista?
[2015/12/01 11:37]  Andrew Hellershanks: The viewer is slow
[2015/12/01 11:37]  Mal Burns: smooth here
[2015/12/01 11:37]  Crista.Lopes @nile.ics.uci.edu:9000: I clicked "Revert to region default"
[2015/12/01 11:38]  LioneLL Narada: drink
[2015/12/01 11:38]  Nebadon Izumi: did that work?
[2015/12/01 11:38]  Samuel Greenway his computer cries as he runs 3 viewers
[2015/12/01 11:38]  Crista.Lopes @nile.ics.uci.edu:9000: yes
[2015/12/01 11:38]  Nebadon Izumi: nice
[2015/12/01 11:38]  Frans Charming: :)
[2015/12/01 11:38]  LioneLL Narada: stop
[2015/12/01 11:39]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: doesn't feel laggy at all
[2015/12/01 11:39]  Nebadon Izumi: I got a slight moment of lag
[2015/12/01 11:39]  Nebadon Izumi: but nothing horrible
[2015/12/01 11:39]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: yeah a bit when i arrived, but not after that..
[2015/12/01 11:39]  Neovo.Geesink @hypergrid.org:8002: Runs pretty well!!!
[2015/12/01 11:39]  Nebadon Izumi: yes great load test
[2015/12/01 11:40]  Nebadon Izumi: a lot more showed up than i expect
[2015/12/01 11:40]  Nebadon Izumi: this is great
[2015/12/01 11:40]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: hello mal & alan :)
[2015/12/01 11:40]  Nebadon Izumi: 27
[2015/12/01 11:40]  Nebadon Izumi: MEMORY STATISTICS
Heap allocated to OpenSim : 201 MB
Last heap allocation rate : 1.324 MB/s
Average heap allocation rate: 7.854 MB/s
Process memory : 615 MB
[2015/12/01 11:40]  Nebadon Izumi: :) nice
[2015/12/01 11:40]  Mal Burns: Hi Tom
[2015/12/01 11:41]  Nebadon Izumi: console looks great too
[2015/12/01 11:41]  Nebadon Izumi: no errors really
[2015/12/01 11:42]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: lots of Unknown UserUMMAU42 but that's normal :)
[2015/12/01 11:42]  Nebadon Izumi: I dont see any
[2015/12/01 11:42]  Nebadon Izumi: that will vary from person to person
[2015/12/01 11:42]  Neovo.Geesink @hypergrid.org:8002: The running around of Nebadon allso looks smooth.
[2015/12/01 11:42]  Andrew Hellershanks: avatar #2
[2015/12/01 11:42]  Nebadon Izumi: depending on where they have visited
[2015/12/01 11:42]  Samuel Greenway: I dont see any unknowns
[2015/12/01 11:42]  Alan.Tupper @login.digiworldz.com:8002: none for me here
[2015/12/01 11:42]  Nebadon Izumi: if you clear cache it will go away
[2015/12/01 11:42]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: Isis had trouble getting over here when we all jumped at the same time
[2015/12/01 11:42]  Frans Charming: only got 3
[2015/12/01 11:42]  Nebadon Izumi: ya i dont see a single unknown myself
[2015/12/01 11:42]  Andrew Hellershanks: Do I dare see if I can handle 3?
[2015/12/01 11:42]  Nebadon Izumi: the more you HG
[2015/12/01 11:42]  Nebadon Izumi: the worse the unknown issue becomes
[2015/12/01 11:42]  Frans Charming nods
[2015/12/01 11:43]  Wolf.Freeman @free-world.spdns.de:8002: o(‧'''‧)o ooh Mann ! o(‧'''‧)o
[2015/12/01 11:43]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: I HG a lot
[2015/12/01 11:43]  Nebadon Izumi: if you are a hard core traveler it will be way worse for you
[2015/12/01 11:43]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: lol, that dance fit with the music on my radio
[2015/12/01 11:43]  Nebadon Izumi: until you clear cache
[2015/12/01 11:43]  Nebadon Izumi: haha
[2015/12/01 11:43]  Nebadon Izumi: i think my radio is playing here
[2015/12/01 11:43]  Shy Robbiani: yes, it's strange... my Metropolis avi was Unknown UserUMMAU42 too$
[2015/12/01 11:43]  Nebadon Izumi: if you want to tune in
[2015/12/01 11:43]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: i have other station up
[2015/12/01 11:43]  Kered.Owl @grid.3rdrockgrid.com:8002: one of my avies is not seeing the seats
[2015/12/01 11:43]  Nebadon Izumi: ah no its not
[2015/12/01 11:43]  Nebadon Izumi: they changed it probably for testing
[2015/12/01 11:43]  Nebadon Izumi: i better leave it alone :)
[2015/12/01 11:43]  Frans Charming: is the unkown Ummau a viewer variable? Would think so?
[2015/12/01 11:44]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: what cache do i need to clean to get rid of those unknowns? is that 'Clear Browser Cache' in network&files (fs) ?
[2015/12/01 11:44]  Frans Charming: wondering if we they can be persuaded to actually use a new number for each unknown usesr
[2015/12/01 11:45]  Nebadon Izumi: frans can you pass me a presenter hud?
[2015/12/01 11:45]  Andrew Hellershanks: ok, 3 me's. That is about as much as I'll try to handle with his machine.
[2015/12/01 11:45]  Frans Charming: sure
[2015/12/01 11:45]  Nebadon Izumi: assuming im on the list to use it :)
[2015/12/01 11:45]  Frans Charming gave you 2015 AvaCon Presenter HUD 0.1 - R CLICK WEAR ME.
[2015/12/01 11:45]  Frans Charming: adding you now.
[2015/12/01 11:45]  Nebadon Izumi: thanks :)
[2015/12/01 11:45]  Nebadon Izumi: i just want to test it with some load
[2015/12/01 11:46]  Frans Charming: should work now
[2015/12/01 11:46]  Nebadon Izumi: ah crap
[2015/12/01 11:46]  Nebadon Izumi: im in my HG user
[2015/12/01 11:46]  Frans Charming: Yea
[2015/12/01 11:46]  Nebadon Izumi: no ownder i couldnt find the hud
[2015/12/01 11:46]  Nebadon Izumi: lolz
[2015/12/01 11:46]  Nebadon Izumi: you added this guy?
[2015/12/01 11:46]  Nebadon Izumi: oh
[2015/12/01 11:47]  Frans Charming: can remove him again
[2015/12/01 11:47]  Nebadon Izumi: im not in the group
[2015/12/01 11:47]  Nebadon Izumi: im not in presenters group
[2015/12/01 11:47]  Nebadon Izumi: send me an invite?
[2015/12/01 11:47]  You have been added to the group.
[2015/12/01 11:47]  Frans Charming: Yup just did
[2015/12/01 11:47]  2015 AvaCon Presenter HUD 0.1 - R CLICK WEAR ME: Paste a URL in local chat, within the next 30 seconds.
[2015/12/01 11:47]  2015 AvaCon Presenter HUD 0.1 - R CLICK WEAR ME: Paste a URL in local chat, within the next 30 seconds.
[2015/12/01 11:47]  Nebadon Izumi: ihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ5LpwO-An4
[2015/12/01 11:47]  2015 AvaCon Presenter HUD 0.1 - R CLICK WEAR ME: The following URL was added to your presentation: http://ihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ5LpwO-An4
[2015/12/01 11:47]  2015 AvaCon Presenter HUD 0.1 - R CLICK WEAR ME: If this is incorrect, please click the URL button again
[2015/12/01 11:47]  Mal Burns: wont work even then Neb without local account perms
[2015/12/01 11:47]  2015 AvaCon Presenter HUD 0.1 - R CLICK WEAR ME: Screen set to: http://ihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ5LpwO-An4
[2015/12/01 11:47]  2015 AvaCon Presenter HUD 0.1 - R CLICK WEAR ME: Screen set to: http://ihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ5LpwO-An4
[2015/12/01 11:47]  2015 AvaCon Presenter HUD 0.1 - R CLICK WEAR ME: Screen set to: http://ihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ5LpwO-An4
[2015/12/01 11:47]  2015 AvaCon Presenter HUD 0.1 - R CLICK WEAR ME: Screen set to: http://ihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ5LpwO-An4
[2015/12/01 11:48]  Andrew Hellershanks: My camera view seems locked on the screen at the back of the stage
[2015/12/01 11:48]  Nebadon Izumi: really?
[2015/12/01 11:48]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: it's locked for every chair unless you cam it away
[2015/12/01 11:48]  Nebadon Izumi: where are you sitting?
[2015/12/01 11:49]  Shez Oyen: first unknown user
[2015/12/01 11:49]  Nebadon Izumi: hmm MOAP isnt working for me
[2015/12/01 11:49]  Andrew Hellershanks: ok, got i altered. Hitting esc seems to default to seeing that display board
[2015/12/01 11:49]  Nebadon Izumi: wonder why
[2015/12/01 11:49]  Mal Burns: stand and sit again - should fix
[2015/12/01 11:49]  Nebadon Izumi: is anyone else seeing video play on the screen?
[2015/12/01 11:49]  Frans Charming: white screen
[2015/12/01 11:49]  Shez Oyen: yes, white screen
[2015/12/01 11:49]  Andrew Hellershanks: sheesh. Firestorm crashed just switching between copies of it.
[2015/12/01 11:50]  2015 AvaCon Presenter HUD 0.1 - R CLICK WEAR ME: Do you want to remove the current URL? Click on Yes or No on your HUD. Also click No if you want to add a texture
[2015/12/01 11:50]  2015 AvaCon Presenter HUD 0.1 - R CLICK WEAR ME: You pressed YES and we removed the following URL: http://ihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ5LpwO-An4
[2015/12/01 11:50]  Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: video is active in my viewer, but video icon is greyed out
[2015/12/01 11:50]  Mal Burns: same here
[2015/12/01 11:50]  Mal Burns: back to slides now
[2015/12/01 11:50]  Shez Oyen: working now
[2015/12/01 11:50]  Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: I see sliedes
[2015/12/01 11:50]  Garry.Beaumont @hg.osgrid.org: Yes I see it
[2015/12/01 11:50]  Shez Oyen: yes
[2015/12/01 11:50]  Andrew Hellershanks: I see slides
[2015/12/01 11:50]  2015 AvaCon Presenter HUD 0.1 - R CLICK WEAR ME: Paste a URL in local chat, within the next 30 seconds.
[2015/12/01 11:50]  Nebadon Izumi: https://www.youtube.com/embed/ZZ5LpwO-An4?rel=0&vq=autoplay=1;fs=0;autohide=0;hd=0;
[2015/12/01 11:50]  2015 AvaCon Presenter HUD 0.1 - R CLICK WEAR ME: The following URL was added to your presentation: https://www.youtube.com/embed/ZZ5LpwO-An4?rel=0&vq=autoplay=1;fs=0;autohide=0;hd=0;
[2015/12/01 11:50]  2015 AvaCon Presenter HUD 0.1 - R CLICK WEAR ME: If this is incorrect, please click the URL button again
[2015/12/01 11:50]  2015 AvaCon Presenter HUD 0.1 - R CLICK WEAR ME: Screen set to: https://www.youtube.com/embed/ZZ5LpwO-An4?rel=0&vq=autoplay=1;fs=0;autohide=0;hd=0;
[2015/12/01 11:50]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: ah you made it Isis!
[2015/12/01 11:50]  Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: yes, Tom, after I lost Harrit poor guy lol
[2015/12/01 11:50]  Frans Charming: He Man
[2015/12/01 11:50]  Nebadon Izumi: now i see video but no audio
[2015/12/01 11:50]  Nebadon Izumi: hehe
[2015/12/01 11:51]  Garry.Beaumont @hg.osgrid.org: video
[2015/12/01 11:51]  Garry.Beaumont @hg.osgrid.org: and audio
[2015/12/01 11:51]  Nebadon Izumi: k
[2015/12/01 11:51]  Nebadon Izumi: wierd i dont have audio
[2015/12/01 11:51]  Nebadon Izumi: maybe i dont have flash installed
[2015/12/01 11:51]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: video ain't working for me, but that never has worked.. being on 64bit linux makes you a bit of a paria media-wise in the metaverse
[2015/12/01 11:51]  Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: video or audio are those things that suddendly wont work when HG tp
[2015/12/01 11:51]  Frans Charming: We use web on a prim here.
[2015/12/01 11:52]  2015 AvaCon Presenter HUD 0.1 - R CLICK WEAR ME: Do you want to remove the current URL? Click on Yes or No on your HUD. Also click No if you want to add a texture
[2015/12/01 11:52]  Nebadon Izumi: https://goo.gl/S2MCf4
[2015/12/01 11:52]  Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: I have newest Flash, and I can see video in my home grid
[2015/12/01 11:52]  2015 AvaCon Presenter HUD 0.1 - R CLICK WEAR ME: You pressed YES and we removed the following URL: https://www.youtube.com/embed/ZZ5LpwO-An4?rel=0&vq=autoplay=1;fs=0;autohide=0;hd=0;
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[2015/12/01 11:52]  Nebadon Izumi: https://goo.gl/S2MCf4
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[2015/12/01 11:52]  Garry.Beaumont @hg.osgrid.org: web on a prim stopped working on my regions
[2015/12/01 11:52]  Andrew Hellershanks: Stupid firestorm viewer keeps crashing on me.
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[2015/12/01 11:52]  Nebadon Izumi: https://goo.gl/S2MCf4
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[2015/12/01 11:52]  Andrew Hellershanks: I'll have to stick to just one avatar.
[2015/12/01 11:52]  Garry.Beaumont @hg.osgrid.org: click it dont jump on it
[2015/12/01 11:52]  Nebadon Izumi: oh i hear audio
[2015/12/01 11:53]  Nebadon Izumi: its just so low
[2015/12/01 11:53]  Nebadon Izumi: i couldnt hear it
[2015/12/01 11:53]  Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: ohhh wow finally I see video
[2015/12/01 11:53]  Andrew Hellershanks: Audiol?
[2015/12/01 11:53]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: uhh,m i have no video tom activate
[2015/12/01 11:53]  Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: very soft though
[2015/12/01 11:53]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: \audi i can turn on
[2015/12/01 11:53]  Shez Oyen: video works good here.. also audio
[2015/12/01 11:53]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: yeah i see youtube, but the spinner just locks up..
[2015/12/01 11:53]  Nebadon Izumi: I think Replex cant hear MOAP very far
[2015/12/01 11:53]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: but sounds dead
[2015/12/01 11:53]  Nebadon Izumi: other viewrs its better
[2015/12/01 11:53]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: don't worry about it.. i've given up on seeing video in the metaverse a long time ago :)
[2015/12/01 11:53]  Nebadon Izumi: zoom in closer
[2015/12/01 11:53]  Andrew Hellershanks: yea, spinner is locked for me
[2015/12/01 11:53]  Shez Oyen: I'm using Sing
[2015/12/01 11:53]  Nebadon Izumi: i can imagine in linux this wont work well
[2015/12/01 11:53]  Shez Oyen: it works good
[2015/12/01 11:54]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: i use windows.
[2015/12/01 11:54]  Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: Nebadon true, singularity / replex need to go very close to the screen
[2015/12/01 11:54]  Nebadon Izumi: yea very odd
[2015/12/01 11:54]  Shez Oyen: (windows)
[2015/12/01 11:54]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: youtube works fine in a normal browser, but somehow not in viewers
[2015/12/01 11:54]  Nebadon Izumi: Firestorm does MOAP 1000 times better
[2015/12/01 11:54]  Nebadon Izumi: the fall off in Singularity is horrible
[2015/12/01 11:54]  Nebadon Izumi: its like 10m
[2015/12/01 11:54]  Nebadon Izumi: maybe 20 tops
[2015/12/01 11:54]  Andrew Hellershanks: Does this mean I won't be able to see anything other than slides this year.
[2015/12/01 11:55]  Nebadon Izumi: we will stream it too
[2015/12/01 11:55]  Nebadon Izumi: if you cant see it in world
[2015/12/01 11:55]  Garry.Beaumont @hg.osgrid.org: got to be on stage to hear it
[2015/12/01 11:55]  Nebadon Izumi: we are streaming to Ustream
[2015/12/01 11:55]  Nebadon Izumi: or equivalent
[2015/12/01 11:55]  Shy Robbiani: I didn't know that's such a big difference
[2015/12/01 11:55]  Frans Charming: The presenter system shares the url in chat, so you can just click them and open in browser
[2015/12/01 11:55]  Andrew Hellershanks: What format is the stream/video in that is on that screen?
[2015/12/01 11:55]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: Video media in SL and opensi m is always a drama. nothing new
[2015/12/01 11:55]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: yeah i clicked the link earlier, worked fine in the browser
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[2015/12/01 11:56]  Nebadon Izumi: https://goo.gl/J9UhoC
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[2015/12/01 11:56]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: in browser works
[2015/12/01 11:56]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: i guess i could spend 48 hours debugging why video doesn't work in my viewer, so far i didn't bother, not worth it :)
[2015/12/01 11:57]  Nebadon Izumi: we usually dont have a lot of video
[2015/12/01 11:57]  Nebadon Izumi: so you probably wont miss much, hopefully
[2015/12/01 11:57]  Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: I see that phantastic graphic, the devs working on opensim
[2015/12/01 11:57]  Nebadon Izumi: we are recording everything
[2015/12/01 11:57]  Andrew Hellershanks: https://goo.gl/S2MCf4 is working for me using Opera under Linux.
[2015/12/01 11:57]  Nebadon Izumi: so worst case you can always catch something on the archives
[2015/12/01 11:57]  Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: video I mean
[2015/12/01 11:57]  Nebadon Izumi: yes thats not suprisiung Andrew
[2015/12/01 11:57]  Nebadon Izumi: this is youtube
[2015/12/01 11:57]  Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: I see it well
[2015/12/01 11:57]  Andrew Hellershanks: yea, MOAP isn't working in Firestorm.
[2015/12/01 11:57]  Shy Robbiani: does that simulation work again?
[2015/12/01 11:57]  Nebadon Izumi: i just goo.gl becuase the urls are long and dont work as hyperlinks
[2015/12/01 11:58]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: if there's any video, i'll have the ustream within a mouseclick away :)
[2015/12/01 11:58]  Nebadon Izumi: yes there are alternative ways which is good
[2015/12/01 11:58]  Nebadon Izumi: there mght even be 2 different streams going
[2015/12/01 11:58]  Nebadon Izumi: on different services, im not sure
[2015/12/01 11:58]  Andrew Hellershanks: Both video links work fine in Opera.
[2015/12/01 11:58]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: oooh one Unkown UserUMMAU42 just became Nebadon.Izumi :)
[2015/12/01 11:58]  Nebadon Izumi: if there is a video someone is playing on youtube, im sure they will paste the link in chat as well
[2015/12/01 11:58]  Nebadon Izumi: we wll try to get moderators to do that
[2015/12/01 11:59]  Nebadon Izumi: cool glad stuff is working well
[2015/12/01 11:59]  Nebadon Izumi: let me look at region stats
[2015/12/01 12:00]  Nebadon Izumi: MEMORY STATISTICS
Heap allocated to OpenSim : 220 MB
Last heap allocation rate : 0.074 MB/s
Average heap allocation rate: 0.267 MB/s
Process memory : 774 MB
[2015/12/01 12:00]  Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: there are only 22 avatars
[2015/12/01 12:00]  Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: not many, guess the conference will host many more?
[2015/12/01 12:00]  Andrew Hellershanks: I've seen movies in a viewer using Singularity. Never tried with FS before.
[2015/12/01 12:00]  Nebadon Izumi: yes thats ok
[2015/12/01 12:00]  Nebadon Izumi: i was mostly testing the Mass teleport
[2015/12/01 12:00]  Andrew Hellershanks: Seems that doesn't work in FS
[2015/12/01 12:00]  Nebadon Izumi: we had like 12 or so people teleport almost simulatously
[2015/12/01 12:00]  Nebadon Izumi: that was great
[2015/12/01 12:01]  Nebadon Izumi: not even a slgith hiccup really
[2015/12/01 12:01]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: Nebadon: seems Isis got stuck in the void when we all jumped though
[2015/12/01 12:01]  Andrew Hellershanks: No login lag?
[2015/12/01 12:01]  Nebadon Izumi: well thats bound to happen occasioualy
[2015/12/01 12:01]  Nebadon Izumi: its never going to be perfect
[2015/12/01 12:01]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: yep..
[2015/12/01 12:01]  Nebadon Izumi: the sim stayed up that is important
[2015/12/01 12:01]  Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: Nebadon while teleporting from osgrid, after you all had left. I hang in TP, then I landed in the Limbo, had to shutz down
[2015/12/01 12:01]  Nebadon Izumi: ok
[2015/12/01 12:01]  Nebadon Izumi: ya there are many factors
[2015/12/01 12:01]  Nebadon Izumi: if i recall you just got to WP
[2015/12/01 12:01]  Nebadon Izumi: probably why
[2015/12/01 12:02]  Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: shut down with the Taskmanager
[2015/12/01 12:02]  Nebadon Izumi: you didnt wait there long enough for it to settle your connection
[2015/12/01 12:02]  Nebadon Izumi: so it probably hung
[2015/12/01 12:02]  Nebadon Izumi: WP is a nasty affair
[2015/12/01 12:02]  Nebadon Izumi: its very heavy on content
[2015/12/01 12:02]  Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: ok
[2015/12/01 12:02]  Nebadon Izumi: 4000+ visible textures
[2015/12/01 12:02]  Nebadon Izumi: if you dont wait for things to settle before jumping out
[2015/12/01 12:02]  Nebadon Izumi: you will almost certain fail
[2015/12/01 12:02]  Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: kk
[2015/12/01 12:02]  Nebadon Izumi: but we Keep WP heavy for that reason
[2015/12/01 12:03]  Nebadon Izumi: why we have meetings in possibly the worst place to haev meetings
[2015/12/01 12:03]  Nebadon Izumi: its a great test
[2015/12/01 12:03]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: :)
[2015/12/01 12:03]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: and it's running 0.9.0.0 dev
[2015/12/01 12:03]  Nebadon Izumi: yep
[2015/12/01 12:03]  Nebadon Izumi: finally got past that hurdle
[2015/12/01 12:03]  Nebadon Izumi: I am excited
[2015/12/01 12:03]  Nebadon Izumi: OSCC is going to be a lot of fun
[2015/12/01 12:04]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: hope so :)
[2015/12/01 12:04]  Nebadon Izumi: I think we can call this test a wrap if anyone needs to head out
[2015/12/01 12:04]  Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: Nebadon now that I have you here. If I want to submit Mantis, bugs leaving HG groups, is that Simulator issue? Dev code? I never know which cagetofy
[2015/12/01 12:04]  Nebadon Izumi: i dont want to hold you up
[2015/12/01 12:04]  Nebadon Izumi: core groups?
[2015/12/01 12:04]  Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: and seems to me devs wotn put much attention if wrong category
[2015/12/01 12:04]  Nebadon Izumi: yes if its core groups select core opensim
[2015/12/01 12:05]  Nebadon Izumi: and thats not generally true
[2015/12/01 12:05]  Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: ok thanks Neb
[2015/12/01 12:05]  Nebadon Izumi: devs look at stuff that either interest them or directly effect them
[2015/12/01 12:05]  Nebadon Izumi: dont take lack of looking as its never getting fixed
[2015/12/01 12:05]  Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: hehe well from past experiences :)
[2015/12/01 12:05]  Nebadon Izumi: if it sits too long poke me
[2015/12/01 12:05]  Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: ok
[2015/12/01 12:05]  Nebadon Izumi: and i will put on my sharp metal dev poking glove
[2015/12/01 12:05]  Nebadon Izumi: lol
[2015/12/01 12:05]  Andrew Hellershanks: Isis, what's the problem with core groups?
[2015/12/01 12:05]  Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: hahaha good, cuz I dont dare to poke them lol
[2015/12/01 12:06]  Andrew Hellershanks: oh, HG groups.
[2015/12/01 12:06]  Nebadon Izumi: yes i have always volunteered that those who are unsure about dealing with core devs
[2015/12/01 12:06]  Nebadon Izumi: please just come to me first
[2015/12/01 12:06]  Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: yes, not possible to leave a HG group, except if owner deletes first, then you can leave it
[2015/12/01 12:06]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: the core dev whisperer :)
[2015/12/01 12:06]  Nebadon Izumi: and let me be the interface for the devs
[2015/12/01 12:06]  Nebadon Izumi: haha
[2015/12/01 12:06]  Nebadon Izumi: its really why I am a core developer
[2015/12/01 12:06]  Nebadon Izumi: its not because im a good programmer on any level
[2015/12/01 12:07]  Nebadon Izumi: im the least knowledgable programmer on the team
[2015/12/01 12:07]  Samuel.Greenway @hg.osgrid.org: Is there ever going to be a time when opensim accepts donations?
[2015/12/01 12:07]  Nebadon Izumi: maybe Samuel, but not right now
[2015/12/01 12:07]  Lyr Lobo smiles
[2015/12/01 12:07]  Andrew Hellershanks: I'm a core developer but I don't usually have any real interest in HG.
[2015/12/01 12:07]  Nebadon Izumi: we are in a very transitional stage
[2015/12/01 12:07]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: Samuel: define 'opensim' :)
[2015/12/01 12:07]  Nebadon Izumi: we just dont haev the time required right now to do the paperwork
[2015/12/01 12:07]  Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org worry with about the bug that makes tom.frost move like that
[2015/12/01 12:07]  Nebadon Izumi: I have someone who is though
[2015/12/01 12:07]  Samuel.Greenway @hg.osgrid.org: opensimulator.org the project
[2015/12/01 12:07]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: lol Ubit :)
[2015/12/01 12:07]  Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: Andrew probably Diva, I hope
[2015/12/01 12:07]  Nebadon Izumi: same guy who pulled OSgrid out of the gutter
[2015/12/01 12:08]  Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: hello Ubit :)
[2015/12/01 12:08]  Nebadon Izumi: he is willing to do the hard work for opensimulator project and has some good ideas
[2015/12/01 12:08]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: Ok. see you later.
[2015/12/01 12:08]  Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org: ( hi )
[2015/12/01 12:08]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: need to go
[2015/12/01 12:08]  Nebadon Izumi: but im waiting until after OSCC and teh holidays before talking with core team
[2015/12/01 12:08]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: yep i need to head off to.. let me reverse gravity back to normal again before i leave :)
[2015/12/01 12:08]  Nebadon Izumi: its just too hectic right now
[2015/12/01 12:08]  Nebadon Izumi: ok thanks everyone
[2015/12/01 12:08]  Nebadon Izumi: great test
[2015/12/01 12:08]  Nebadon Izumi: could not have gone better
[2015/12/01 12:08]  Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: what about having a donations board during the OSCC? we all have a reason to be thankful
[2015/12/01 12:08]  Andrew Hellershanks: If someone was really wanting to donate they could send $ directly to the core devs. That might be the only option for now.
[2015/12/01 12:08]  Samuel.Greenway @hg.osgrid.org: thank you Neb for all your hard work
[2015/12/01 12:08]  Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: to all those working behind the screen
[2015/12/01 12:08]  Nebadon Izumi: its almost like OpenSim is real software now!
[2015/12/01 12:08]  Samuel.Greenway @hg.osgrid.org: and to all the Developers, thank you
[2015/12/01 12:09]  Nebadon Izumi: :)
[2015/12/01 12:09]  Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: donations that go direct to the developers or so?
[2015/12/01 12:09]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: Nebadon: just don't look at the code :))
[2015/12/01 12:09]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: </ducks>
[2015/12/01 12:09]  Lyr Lobo chuckles
[2015/12/01 12:09]  Nebadon Izumi: right now only donation Opensimulator receives
[2015/12/01 12:09]  Nebadon Izumi: is the server
[2015/12/01 12:09]  Nebadon Izumi: donated by Sinwave
[2015/12/01 12:09]  Nebadon Izumi: Adam Frisby
[2015/12/01 12:09]  Nebadon Izumi: well and this server from Crista and UCI
[2015/12/01 12:09]  Nebadon Izumi: thats it just the 2 servers
[2015/12/01 12:10]  Nebadon Izumi: money complicates things
[2015/12/01 12:10]  Nebadon Izumi: it wont necesarily make things better
[2015/12/01 12:10]  Nebadon Izumi: but its sometimes also necessary evil
[2015/12/01 12:10]  Andrew Hellershanks nods
[2015/12/01 12:10]  Nebadon Izumi: there are costs
[2015/12/01 12:10]  Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: Andrew how would one go to donate direct to the devs? I dont even know who the devs are :)
[2015/12/01 12:10]  Shez.Oyen @hg.osgrid.org: So Neb I should stop monthly donation? Don't want to spoil things
[2015/12/01 12:10]  Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: Ubit I know he is, cuz I know him from kitely :)
[2015/12/01 12:10]  Andrew Hellershanks: Some people think that fixing a problem is a matter of tossing (enough) money at it.
[2015/12/01 12:11]  Nebadon Izumi: http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Development_Team
[2015/12/01 12:11]  Nebadon Izumi: Ubit you need to fill in your info
[2015/12/01 12:11]  Shez.Oyen @hg.osgrid.org: Money is the manure of enlightenment
[2015/12/01 12:11]  Nebadon Izumi: i made a place holder for you
[2015/12/01 12:11]  Andrew Hellershanks: Still needs someone with the time, and effort to fix the problem.
[2015/12/01 12:11]  Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: no Andrew, I dont agree with you. But its the only way to show appreciation. Or do you suggest a better one?
[2015/12/01 12:11]  Nebadon Izumi: Find more devs
[2015/12/01 12:11]  Samuel.Greenway @hg.osgrid.org: Money could fix the website, or pay someone to take the time to do it
[2015/12/01 12:11]  Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: I am not rich, dont have 1000s to donate
[2015/12/01 12:11]  Nebadon Izumi: 1 good dev is worht more than a million dollars
[2015/12/01 12:11]  Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: but dunno how to say thank you
[2015/12/01 12:12]  Nebadon Izumi: between diva and melanie and Justin alone
[2015/12/01 12:12]  Nebadon Izumi: we are looking at millions of dollars in development costs
[2015/12/01 12:12]  Nebadon Izumi: donated
[2015/12/01 12:12]  Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: I bet Nebadon
[2015/12/01 12:12]  Andrew Hellershanks: Isis, don't agree on which part? That money doesn't help fix problems?
[2015/12/01 12:12]  Nebadon Izumi: its really hard to put a number on the total value of opensimulator
[2015/12/01 12:12]  Nebadon Izumi: but its probably in or near the 10's of millions of dollars now
[2015/12/01 12:12]  Samuel.Greenway @hg.osgrid.org: money helps advertise too. depends on what you do with it
[2015/12/01 12:13]  Andrew Hellershanks: yes, money helps show appreciation. That part is true
[2015/12/01 12:13]  Nebadon Izumi: of course its not really worth that much
[2015/12/01 12:13]  Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: Andrew you said something like "some think money will etc etc" and I said, donating its the only way tosay thank you
[2015/12/01 12:13]  Nebadon Izumi: but if you were to pay developers to do the same amount of code
[2015/12/01 12:13]  Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: and asked you if you hav e a better way
[2015/12/01 12:13]  Nebadon Izumi: it would not be cheap
[2015/12/01 12:14]  Samuel.Greenway @hg.osgrid.org: maybe not pay devs directly, but provide for some perks, for get togethers, for other things
[2015/12/01 12:14]  Andrew Hellershanks: Isis, yes, it can say Thank You but it can't solve code problems or add features. That still needs someone to make the code changes needed.
[2015/12/01 12:14]  Nebadon Izumi: One of the probelms i find with money
[2015/12/01 12:14]  Nebadon Izumi: is sometimes its hard to make people feel like they get their moneys worth
[2015/12/01 12:14]  Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: Andrew agree with you, there is not enuff money to pay for the work done
[2015/12/01 12:14]  Nebadon Izumi: and then they expect the person who wrote the code
[2015/12/01 12:14]  Nebadon Izumi: to fully document and support it
[2015/12/01 12:15]  Nebadon Izumi: unfortuantely a few 100 or even 1000$ generally is not worth it
[2015/12/01 12:15]  Nebadon Izumi: for those who are seeking money
[2015/12/01 12:15]  Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: it can be only a way to let the devs know that we not only complain and expect, but are many very thankful
[2015/12/01 12:15]  Nebadon Izumi: so you either end up getting partially delivered code
[2015/12/01 12:15]  Nebadon Izumi: and the dev disappears forever
[2015/12/01 12:15]  Nebadon Izumi: which is a bad result
[2015/12/01 12:15]  Andrew Hellershanks: Isis, yea, and the people that can do the work usually have enough stuff they are doing which makes it hard to take on another task, or to change priorities
[2015/12/01 12:15]  Nebadon Izumi: or the people donating are not satsfied and feel ripped off
[2015/12/01 12:15]  Shy.Robbiani @hg.osgrid.org: money is not the only way to motivate developers
[2015/12/01 12:16]  Nebadon Izumi: causing a big rift between community and devleopers
[2015/12/01 12:16]  Nebadon Izumi: sure it can motivate folks
[2015/12/01 12:16]  Nebadon Izumi: but it can also cause divisions
[2015/12/01 12:16]  Shy.Robbiani @hg.osgrid.org: I think Firestorm is a good example
[2015/12/01 12:16]  Nebadon Izumi: look at the Video code work that was done to have better rigged clothing
[2015/12/01 12:17]  Nebadon Izumi: the comminity paid 5500$
[2015/12/01 12:17]  Andrew Hellershanks: Right. Write software and you hear lots when there are problems. When it works as expected one hears very little.
[2015/12/01 12:17]  Nebadon Izumi: to Carl
[2015/12/01 12:17]  Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: understand Nebadon
[2015/12/01 12:17]  Nebadon Izumi: and SL would not accept the code
[2015/12/01 12:17]  Samuel.Greenway @hg.osgrid.org: Depends on what its being spent on, obviously OSGrid runs developer code and needs donations to keep it afloat, so thats always a worth cause, especially if your using it.
[2015/12/01 12:17]  Nebadon Izumi: it was really a black eye for viewer development
[2015/12/01 12:17]  Nebadon Izumi: all that money and none of the code ever got used
[2015/12/01 12:17]  Andrew Hellershanks: nebadon: Did that code still wind up in some viewer?
[2015/12/01 12:17]  Nebadon Izumi: no
[2015/12/01 12:17]  Nebadon Izumi: it ended up being pulled
[2015/12/01 12:17]  Andrew Hellershanks: That sucks
[2015/12/01 12:17]  Nebadon Izumi: LL had a fit
[2015/12/01 12:18]  Nebadon Izumi: cause it was expanding viewer functionality without their sayso
[2015/12/01 12:18]  Nebadon Izumi: that is against the TOS and TPV rules
[2015/12/01 12:18]  Andrew Hellershanks: Good old NIH
[2015/12/01 12:18]  Nebadon Izumi: LL is the only one who can initiate new functionality for the most part
[2015/12/01 12:18]  Nebadon Izumi: anything that changes the user experience
[2015/12/01 12:18]  Nebadon Izumi: LL reserves the right to reject the code
[2015/12/01 12:18]  Nebadon Izumi: sometimes they will take it
[2015/12/01 12:18]  Nebadon Izumi: if its beneficial etc..
[2015/12/01 12:18]  Nebadon Izumi: in that case they did not
[2015/12/01 12:19]  Nebadon Izumi: they endedd up fixing it themsevles in the end
[2015/12/01 12:19]  Nebadon Izumi: im not sure it ever satified anyone
[2015/12/01 12:19]  Andrew Hellershanks: And that cost LL time and money.
[2015/12/01 12:19]  Nebadon Izumi: yes i think the problem was
[2015/12/01 12:19]  Nebadon Izumi: LL wanted to use Havok
[2015/12/01 12:19]  Nebadon Izumi: and Carl re-invented the wheel
[2015/12/01 12:19]  Nebadon Izumi: so to speak
[2015/12/01 12:19]  Nebadon Izumi: so it could be cross platform
[2015/12/01 12:20]  Nebadon Izumi: i guess they did not like that maybe
[2015/12/01 12:20]  Nebadon Izumi: LL definitely was kind of in freefall mode at the time
[2015/12/01 12:20]  Nebadon Izumi: M linden was just smashing everything
[2015/12/01 12:21]  Nebadon Izumi: ah well, I think in the end it was better we moved further away from SL, though still not far enough :)
[2015/12/01 12:21]  Nebadon Izumi: at some point we wont have a choice
[2015/12/01 12:21]  Nebadon Izumi: it was never really realistic to think SL would be compatible with opensimulator
[2015/12/01 12:22]  Nebadon Izumi: forever anyway
[2015/12/01 12:22]  Nebadon Izumi: not that we would ever ditch the functionality
[2015/12/01 12:22]  Nebadon Izumi: we just need to go beyond
[2015/12/01 12:22]  Nebadon Izumi: keep the good bits
[2015/12/01 12:22]  Nebadon Izumi: improve the bad bits
[2015/12/01 12:22]  Alan.Tupper @login.digiworldz.com:8002: /mr nods
[2015/12/01 12:22]  Nebadon Izumi: invent new bits
[2015/12/01 12:22]  Alan.Tupper @login.digiworldz.com:8002 nods
[2015/12/01 12:22]  Samuel.Greenway @hg.osgrid.org listens
[2015/12/01 12:22]  Samuel.Greenway @hg.osgrid.org wonders if bad bits = features
[2015/12/01 12:22]  Shy.Robbiani @hg.osgrid.org: lol
[2015/12/01 12:23]  Nebadon Izumi: haha some people may think so
[2015/12/01 12:23]  Samuel.Greenway @hg.osgrid.org chuckles
[2015/12/01 12:23]  Nebadon Izumi: funny how much sometimes we become reliant on bugs
[2015/12/01 12:23]  Nebadon Izumi: people get mad when we fix stuff sometimes
[2015/12/01 12:23]  Nebadon Izumi: lol
[2015/12/01 12:23]  Samuel.Greenway @hg.osgrid.org hate the backspace feature in internet explorer, especially will filling out web forms at work.
[2015/12/01 12:24]  Nebadon Izumi: ok guys I need to run get some food
[2015/12/01 12:24]  Nebadon Izumi: i have not eaten today
[2015/12/01 12:24]  Nebadon Izumi: and its nearly 4pm
[2015/12/01 12:24]  Nebadon Izumi: haha
[2015/12/01 12:24]  Nebadon Izumi: time to eat
[2015/12/01 12:24]  Nebadon Izumi: thanks everyone
[2015/12/01 12:24]  Andrew Hellershanks: ok, I'm going to get going.
[2015/12/01 12:24]  Samuel.Greenway @hg.osgrid.org: great time, thanks again for all the hard work to make our world come to life
[2015/12/01 12:24]  Nebadon Izumi whispers: really great test, hope you all make it for OSCC
[2015/12/01 12:24]  Shy.Robbiani @hg.osgrid.org: I've got to run too... have a great time evweybody and thank you Neb
[2015/12/01 12:24]  Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: have a good lunch Nebadon, for me its 9.30 pm
[2015/12/01 12:24]  Nebadon Izumi: or atleast spend some time exploring the expo zones
[2015/12/01 12:24]  Lyr Lobo cheers
[2015/12/01 12:24]  Nebadon Izumi: see you all soon!
[2015/12/01 12:24]  Andrew Hellershanks: See you next week
[2015/12/01 12:25]  Alan.Tupper @login.digiworldz.com:8002: cya Neb!
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