Chat log from the meeting on 2013-09-24

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[2013/09/24 11:06]  Nebadon Izumi: hello everyone
[2013/09/24 11:06]  Nebadon Izumi: sorry im late
[2013/09/24 11:06]  Nebadon Izumi: super busy day
[2013/09/24 11:06]  Kayaker Magic: Thanks for making it!
[2013/09/24 11:06]  Sun Tzu gave you Note to Neb on the Steampunkables.
[2013/09/24 11:06]  Pathfinder.Lester howdy
[2013/09/24 11:06]  Richardus Raymaker: hi nebadon
[2013/09/24 11:07]  Richardus Raymaker: ohh, hehe and i wanted to ask you nebadon if you still use opensuse. and wihc mono version ?
[2013/09/24 11:07]  Teravus Ousley: hello
[2013/09/24 11:07]  Nebadon Izumi: i do
[2013/09/24 11:07]  Richardus Raymaker: hi teravus
[2013/09/24 11:07]  Nebadon Izumi: Opensuse-4-life!!
[2013/09/24 11:07]  dan banner: 3.2.3 rich
[2013/09/24 11:07]  Nebadon Izumi: im using mono 3.2.3 now
[2013/09/24 11:07]  Nebadon Izumi: just upgraded
[2013/09/24 11:07]  Kayaker Magic: I'm on opensuse also.
[2013/09/24 11:07]  Richardus Raymaker: im installing suse , maby its running with 0.7.6 betetr now
[2013/09/24 11:07]  Richardus Raymaker: opensuse ^
[2013/09/24 11:07]  Nebadon Izumi: Justin might not make it again today
[2013/09/24 11:07]  Nebadon Izumi: we have him chasing bugs at the moment
[2013/09/24 11:07]  dan banner: hes in rec plaza lol
[2013/09/24 11:07]  Nebadon Izumi: let me poke him incase he did intend on coming
[2013/09/24 11:08]  Richardus Raymaker: then just is as ghost online ?
[2013/09/24 11:08]  dan banner: hes online rich but i think hes pretty busy
[2013/09/24 11:08]  Nebadon Izumi: on another note, the OSgrid asset server is going quite well
[2013/09/24 11:08]  Nebadon Izumi: we hit a small snag, but were past that now
[2013/09/24 11:08]  Richardus Raymaker: Dan, tell me when he's not busy :O
[2013/09/24 11:09]  Nebadon Izumi: hopefully in a few days we will be completely off the old server
[2013/09/24 11:09]  dan banner: that will be nice
[2013/09/24 11:09]  Nebadon Izumi: id say about 85% of the assets are now being served from new hardware
[2013/09/24 11:10]  Andrew Hellershanks is Online
[2013/09/24 11:10]  Nebadon Izumi: did anyone have anything they wanted to talk about this week?
[2013/09/24 11:10]  Andrew Hellershanks: I could think of a few things.
[2013/09/24 11:10]  Nebadon Izumi: I know your starting up the HG Adventure club this weekend Pathfinder
[2013/09/24 11:10]  Richardus Raymaker: only where curious which mono version you now use nebadon
[2013/09/24 11:10]  Nebadon Izumi: thats pretty cool
[2013/09/24 11:11]  Andrew Hellershanks: I'm trying to get land sales working and in the process of that and a couple other things I've found about a half dozen issues.
[2013/09/24 11:11]  Nebadon Izumi: we just upgraded a few days ago to mono 3.2.3 now
[2013/09/24 11:11]  Pathfinder.Lester Thanks Neb!
[2013/09/24 11:11]  Nebadon Izumi: its working great so far Richardus
[2013/09/24 11:11]  Andrew Hellershanks: Who is "After Life" and why are they instantly doing a friend request as soon as i arrive here?
[2013/09/24 11:11]  Richardus Raymaker: ohh 3.2 already.. ok thanks
[2013/09/24 11:11]  Pathfinder.Lester yes, I'm excited about it. i got a lot of interest from folks after I gave my talk at the Opensim Community Conference
[2013/09/24 11:11]  Nebadon Izumi: maybe you didnt decline it Andrew
[2013/09/24 11:11]  Hiro Protagonist is Online
[2013/09/24 11:11]  Nebadon Izumi: ignore just makes it come back next log in
[2013/09/24 11:11]  dan banner: andrew might be a bugged friend request
[2013/09/24 11:11]  Richardus Raymaker: need to see how its holding with 0.7.6 final on the x6 amd
[2013/09/24 11:12]  Pathfinder.Lester for anyone interested, please see
[2013/09/24 11:12]  dan banner: accept and then remove if you dont need it
[2013/09/24 11:12]  Andrew Hellershanks: I have too many things happening at once.
[2013/09/24 11:12]  Nebadon Izumi: ya thats Great Pathfinder, i was helping Hiro with his new teleporter
[2013/09/24 11:12]  Nebadon Izumi: that looks pretty neat
[2013/09/24 11:12]  Andrew Hellershanks: Now the cat is after me for attention, in addition to this meeting, and a discussion on Skype, and code changes I'm trying to make/test.
[2013/09/24 11:12]  Andrew Hellershanks sighs
[2013/09/24 11:12]  Nebadon Izumi: :)
[2013/09/24 11:12]  Nebadon Izumi: hello Justin
[2013/09/24 11:12]  Nebadon Izumi: glad you made it :) know your super busy
[2013/09/24 11:13]  Pathfinder.Lester the removal of the 4096 region distance bug will make hypergrid exploration so much easier. a new era. :)
[2013/09/24 11:13]  Richardus Raymaker: hi justin
[2013/09/24 11:13]  Justin Clark-Casey: hello folks
[2013/09/24 11:13]  Pathfinder.Lester hi Justin!
[2013/09/24 11:13]  Richardus Raymaker: just wear wand and hardhat pathfinder :)
[2013/09/24 11:13]  Pathfinder.Lester Rich, always! lol
[2013/09/24 11:15]  Robert Adams is noticing right hands blinking
[2013/09/24 11:15]  Richardus Raymaker: how far is 0.7.6 master away from RC ? before i do double work/problems
[2013/09/24 11:15]  Nebadon Izumi: blinking is usally a result of impostor setting
[2013/09/24 11:15]  Nebadon Izumi: some avatars being rendered as impostors
[2013/09/24 11:16]  Justin Clark-Casey: there are difficult telepro tissues I have to address
[2013/09/24 11:16]  Richardus Raymaker: ok... then i know enough
[2013/09/24 11:18]  Marcus Llewellyn is Online
[2013/09/24 11:19]  Andrew Hellershanks: bbiab. I have to see to this cat to get him to shut up.
[2013/09/24 11:19]  Richardus Raymaker: does robert have some new info ?
[2013/09/24 11:20]  Nebadon Izumi: what about Richardus?
[2013/09/24 11:20]  Richardus Raymaker: not sure. maby there happend soemthing intrestsing new.
[2013/09/24 11:20]  Nebadon Izumi: sorry some of the conversation got sucked away into IRC
[2013/09/24 11:20]  Nebadon Izumi: ah
[2013/09/24 11:21]  Nebadon Izumi: I know robert is looking into the varregion sizes that aurora has
[2013/09/24 11:21]  Nebadon Izumi: and that some of the viewer devs have commited to making it work better
[2013/09/24 11:21]  Nebadon Izumi: but thats going to be a long road
[2013/09/24 11:21]  Nebadon Izumi: lots of bumps
[2013/09/24 11:21]  Andrew Hellershanks has returned
[2013/09/24 11:21]  dan banner: vars would be alot better than megas
[2013/09/24 11:22]  Nebadon Izumi: ya thatn would be great, it will require a lot of thought though
[2013/09/24 11:22]  Nebadon Izumi: like how it would work in grids
[2013/09/24 11:22]  Nebadon Izumi: if that is even possible, i dunno
[2013/09/24 11:22]  Andrew Hellershanks: and how it would affect viewers
[2013/09/24 11:23]  Nebadon Izumi: yes a few of the viewer devs have commited to it
[2013/09/24 11:23]  Nebadon Izumi: so that is good
[2013/09/24 11:23]  dan banner: afaik vars till only take up 1 coordinate
[2013/09/24 11:23]  Nebadon Izumi: ya but then there are issues with the map
[2013/09/24 11:23]  Marcus Llewellyn: That's what I've always wondered. How vars handle coordinate reservation... how to keep them overlapping.
[2013/09/24 11:23]  Nebadon Izumi: and nieghbors
[2013/09/24 11:23]  Nebadon Izumi: how does that work
[2013/09/24 11:23]  dan banner: but ya that doesnt make sense
[2013/09/24 11:24]  Nebadon Izumi: but with Hypergrid improving
[2013/09/24 11:24]  Nebadon Izumi: maybe its not as important to have grid capability
[2013/09/24 11:24]  Nebadon Izumi: have to see
[2013/09/24 11:24]  Nebadon Izumi: its a long ways off
[2013/09/24 11:24]  Nebadon Izumi: much will change between now and then
[2013/09/24 11:25]  Richardus Raymaker: can you not lock the 0.7.6 code to a few persons so new foixes from otehr devs go to 0.7.7 ?
[2013/09/24 11:25]  Nebadon Izumi: not yet
[2013/09/24 11:25]  Nebadon Izumi: thats whats being discussed on IRC right now
[2013/09/24 11:25]  Nebadon Izumi: justin is still asking people hold off
[2013/09/24 11:25]  Nebadon Izumi: until some of these teleport issues are fixed
[2013/09/24 11:25]  Richardus Raymaker: what you mean with grid capability in this case ?
[2013/09/24 11:25]  Justin Clark-Casey: yes, there are really complicated teleport issues holdiong up the releasre
[2013/09/24 11:25]  Nebadon Izumi: i mean var region sizes working in grid mode Richardus
[2013/09/24 11:25]  Nebadon Izumi: im speculating though
[2013/09/24 11:26]  Nebadon Izumi: dont take anything im saying as fact
[2013/09/24 11:26]  Nebadon Izumi: haha
[2013/09/24 11:26]  Richardus Raymaker: Ohh no thats not really important.
[2013/09/24 11:26]  Justin Clark-Casey: if big changes start happening there's no way I have time to fix everything and will hav eto throw in the towel on doing a release
[2013/09/24 11:26]  Richardus Raymaker: you told me last time simborder crossings are on the list for some next release. so i possible dont go mega at all
[2013/09/24 11:26]  Nebadon Izumi: yes Melanie is itching to get that in
[2013/09/24 11:27]  Nebadon Izumi: that is part of the discusson on IRC right now
[2013/09/24 11:29]  Nebadon Izumi: it will be real nice to get past this release
[2013/09/24 11:29]  Nebadon Izumi: its been a chaotic time for a release
[2013/09/24 11:29]  Nebadon Izumi: between OSCC13 and the OSgrid asset server
[2013/09/24 11:29]  Nebadon Izumi: going on virtually simultaneously
[2013/09/24 11:29]  Nebadon Izumi: ive been swamped
[2013/09/24 11:29]  Nebadon Izumi: i cant wait to get past all of this
[2013/09/24 11:30]  Marcus Llewellyn smiles sympathetically.
[2013/09/24 11:30]  Pathfinder.Lester ty for all your hard work, Neb
[2013/09/24 11:30]  Fearghus McMahon: hi all
[2013/09/24 11:30]  Nebadon Izumi: :) its exciting times though, cant deny that
[2013/09/24 11:31]  Pathfinder.Lester in particular, from my perspective as a non-dev, everyone's work to make OSCC13 a success was amazing. I see lots of ripple effects from OSCC13 that I believe will help immensely with Opensim's future growth and adoption.
[2013/09/24 11:31]  Nebadon Izumi: ya indeed, things are moving fast since then
[2013/09/24 11:32]  Nebadon Izumi: Pathfinder do you have a link to info about your Adventure club meeting this weekend?
[2013/09/24 11:32]  Pathfinder.Lester A rising tide of interest can raise many boats. ;)
[2013/09/24 11:32]  Nebadon Izumi: i dont have it handy
[2013/09/24 11:32]  Richardus Raymaker: oscc13 ? uhmm.
[2013/09/24 11:32]  Pathfinder.Lester
[2013/09/24 11:32]  Nebadon Izumi: be good to pass it o to everyone here
[2013/09/24 11:32]  Nebadon Izumi: thanks
[2013/09/24 11:32]  Pathfinder.Lester yw
[2013/09/24 11:32]  Nebadon Izumi: OSCC13 = OpenSimulator Community Conference 2013, richardus
[2013/09/24 11:32]  dan banner: pathfinder: a poster and landmark would be real nice, i could put it in lbsa plaza
[2013/09/24 11:32]  Nebadon Izumi: ya thats a good idea dan
[2013/09/24 11:33]  Pathfinder.Lester oh yes, i can give you something!
[2013/09/24 11:33]  Pathfinder.Lester roots around
[2013/09/24 11:33]  Pathfinder.Lester ty
[2013/09/24 11:33]  dan banner: great!
[2013/09/24 11:33]  Fearghus McMahon: interesting link...thnx!
[2013/09/24 11:33]  Marcus Llewellyn: Ya know, I've been around for 5 years now, and I'm ashamed to have to say I don't know as much about HG as I ought to. :(
[2013/09/24 11:34]  Pathfinder.Lester Dan, that's the standard kiosk I put out whenever I can. Links to a web page explaining the meetings.
[2013/09/24 11:34]  Richardus Raymaker: ok nebadon. sorry to busy this days to follow all
[2013/09/24 11:34]  Pathfinder.Lester ty for helping spread the word
[2013/09/24 11:34]  Dahlia Trimble is Online
[2013/09/24 11:34]  Nebadon Izumi: no problem i think its great, Hiro and I swung by your sim the other day
[2013/09/24 11:34]  Nebadon Izumi: cool place
[2013/09/24 11:35]  Nebadon Izumi: its always interesting when i go some where and see some of my stuff out too
[2013/09/24 11:35]  Nebadon Izumi: i noticed you had my mushrooms
[2013/09/24 11:35]  Nebadon Izumi: and camp fire
[2013/09/24 11:35]  Nebadon Izumi: haha
[2013/09/24 11:35]  Pathfinder.Lester ha yes!
[2013/09/24 11:35]  Fearghus McMahon: should try contacting Dorothea or Jaymaze from D&J too...they always get a lot of people on their party...they might put up a poster or something too
[2013/09/24 11:35]  Pathfinder.Lester I collect whatever freebies I find and always put them out for other folks
[2013/09/24 11:35]  Pathfinder.Lester love that campfire
[2013/09/24 11:35]  Nebadon Izumi: that campfire was probably one of the first sculpty things i ever made
[2013/09/24 11:36]  Pathfinder.Lester ty Feargus.
[2013/09/24 11:36]  Pathfinder.Lester nice
[2013/09/24 11:36]  Nebadon Izumi: I wish i had more time to build
[2013/09/24 11:36]  Nebadon Izumi: maybe soon :)
[2013/09/24 11:37]  Nebadon Izumi: one of these upcoming adventure club meetings Pathfinder
[2013/09/24 11:37]  Nebadon Izumi: i should set it up so you guys can visit my swedish simulators
[2013/09/24 11:37]  Nebadon Izumi: they are hosted in Germany
[2013/09/24 11:37]  dan banner: that would be cool
[2013/09/24 11:37]  Nebadon Izumi: i have a nice model of Sundbyberg and on of Uppsala
[2013/09/24 11:37]  Dahlia Trimble: hi
[2013/09/24 11:37]  Richardus Raymaker: nebadon, your campfire spread 'uhmm' like fire
[2013/09/24 11:37]  Pathfinder.Lester oh cool! that would be great, Neb. i'll follow up with you and figure out a day/time that works best for you. thank you
[2013/09/24 11:37]  Fearghus McMahon: was that with the cathedral you exported to mesh Neb?
[2013/09/24 11:38]  Nebadon Izumi: sure
[2013/09/24 11:38]  Dahlia Trimble: is Nebadon starting fires again? 0.o
[2013/09/24 11:38]  Nebadon Izumi: i just need to go over it make sure perms are right
[2013/09/24 11:38]  Nebadon Izumi: haha
[2013/09/24 11:38]  Nebadon Izumi: I wanted to do that for OSCC13
[2013/09/24 11:38]  Nebadon Izumi: but i just ran out of time couldnt make it happen
[2013/09/24 11:40]  Fearghus McMahon: wrong place to ask probably but regarding singularity 1.8.3 I noticed that it seems to freeze when listening to that a common issue?
[2013/09/24 11:40]  Nebadon Izumi: I have not heard anyone else mention that
[2013/09/24 11:40]  Fearghus McMahon: on stream change that iis
[2013/09/24 11:41]  Nebadon Izumi: what kind of streams?
[2013/09/24 11:41]  Nebadon Izumi: music? video? moap?
[2013/09/24 11:41]  Fearghus McMahon: shoutcast streams
[2013/09/24 11:41]  Nebadon Izumi: hmm
[2013/09/24 11:41]  Nebadon Izumi: I would say that is likely not a common issue
[2013/09/24 11:41]  Nebadon Izumi: what platform?
[2013/09/24 11:41]  Nebadon Izumi: Windows, Linux?
[2013/09/24 11:41]  Fearghus McMahon: windows
[2013/09/24 11:41]  Nebadon Izumi: hmm
[2013/09/24 11:41]  Nebadon Izumi: im on windows now
[2013/09/24 11:41]  dan banner: i havent noticed anything unusual
[2013/09/24 11:41]  Nebadon Izumi: its playing ok for me
[2013/09/24 11:41]  Nebadon Izumi: just started it
[2013/09/24 11:41]  Fearghus McMahon: wondering if it has to do with the whitelist/blacklist...will try again later
[2013/09/24 11:42]  dan banner: change the stream while you are listening
[2013/09/24 11:42]  dan banner: see if you crash lol
[2013/09/24 11:42]  Nebadon Izumi: hmm
[2013/09/24 11:42]  Nebadon Izumi: maybe Fearghus i recommend turning that off in opensim grids
[2013/09/24 11:42]  Nebadon Izumi: its silly
[2013/09/24 11:42]  Nebadon Izumi: you cant really hide in OpenSim
[2013/09/24 11:42]  Nebadon Izumi: lol
[2013/09/24 11:42]  Fearghus McMahon: will try that then...currently on firestorm again
[2013/09/24 11:43]  Fearghus McMahon: lol...thats true
[2013/09/24 11:43]  dan banner: i had more trouble with media and music with that disabled
[2013/09/24 11:43]  Nebadon Izumi: really?
[2013/09/24 11:43]  Fearghus McMahon: interesting
[2013/09/24 11:43]  dan banner: ya
[2013/09/24 11:43]  Nebadon Izumi: that filtering thing annoys the hell out of me
[2013/09/24 11:43]  Nebadon Izumi: i always turn it off
[2013/09/24 11:43]  dan banner: i just agree to everything since i turned it back on and havent had any issues
[2013/09/24 11:43]  Nebadon Izumi: odd
[2013/09/24 11:44]  Nebadon Izumi: i would definitely talk to singularity devs about that
[2013/09/24 11:44]  Fearghus McMahon: it's how i usually react tothose popups too
[2013/09/24 11:44]  Fearghus McMahon: nod...will check again to be sure...also installed a new graphics driver today so want to make sure that that not by some weird way solved the issue ;)
[2013/09/24 11:45]  Fearghus McMahon: err not driver....card
[2013/09/24 11:45]  Nebadon Izumi: that seems unlikely it would be related
[2013/09/24 11:45]  Nebadon Izumi: not all streams are the same either though
[2013/09/24 11:45]  Nebadon Izumi: the stream here is my own personal radio station
[2013/09/24 11:45]  Nebadon Izumi: and i took great care to re-encode all the music
[2013/09/24 11:45]  Nebadon Izumi: and make it stream consistently for the viewer
[2013/09/24 11:46]  dan banner: ya ive had some sound issues when streams have different bit rates and sound screwy
[2013/09/24 11:46]  Nebadon Izumi: other people are not as careful
[2013/09/24 11:46]  Pathfinder.Lester sometimes i hear what sound like chipmunks on some streams ;)
[2013/09/24 11:46]  Nebadon Izumi: yes
[2013/09/24 11:46]  Nebadon Izumi: that happens when bitrate or frequency changes
[2013/09/24 11:46]  Nebadon Izumi: when songs change
[2013/09/24 11:46]  dan banner: thats because the bitrate
[2013/09/24 11:46]  Fearghus McMahon: i must say I just run the shoutcast 1.9 i think script on a linux box and stream 192kbps throug it
[2013/09/24 11:46]  Nebadon Izumi: i run icecast
[2013/09/24 11:46]  Pathfinder.Lester aha, i did not know that. i learned something new!
[2013/09/24 11:46]  Nebadon Izumi: and ices player
[2013/09/24 11:47]  Nebadon Izumi: my whole stream comes from linux command line
[2013/09/24 11:47]  Nebadon Izumi: its totally automated
[2013/09/24 11:47]  Nebadon Izumi: i never touch it except when server restarts
[2013/09/24 11:47]  Fearghus McMahon: i've been known to play chipmunks so with me you'd never know what the real cause was
[2013/09/24 11:47]  Pathfinder.Lester lol
[2013/09/24 11:47]  Nebadon Izumi: it just randomly picks songs from a few 1000 mp3s
[2013/09/24 11:47]  Fearghus McMahon: hmm something to look into then
[2013/09/24 11:48]  Nebadon Izumi: i used a program called "freerip"
[2013/09/24 11:48]  Nebadon Izumi: to convert all the music so the format was 100% identical
[2013/09/24 11:48]  Nebadon Izumi: i get most of my music from or
[2013/09/24 11:48]  Nebadon Izumi: its all demoscene competition stuff mostly
[2013/09/24 11:48]  Pathfinder.Lester i've got to head out. dogs need to go. good to see you all, and take care!
[2013/09/24 11:49]  dan banner: tc pathfinder
[2013/09/24 11:49]  Nebadon Izumi: see ya Pathfinder, talk soon
[2013/09/24 11:49]  Richardus Raymaker: bye pathfinder
[2013/09/24 11:49]  Fearghus McMahon: take care pathfinder
[2013/09/24 11:49]  Pathfinder.Lester definitely Neb! ty for the offer of letting us explore those regions
[2013/09/24 11:49]  Fearghus McMahon: hmm will definately check out those links..thanks Neb
[2013/09/24 11:49]  Pathfinder.Lester and dan ty for hepling spread the word for the hypergrid club.
[2013/09/24 11:49]  Nebadon Izumi: no problem, i'll try to get those opened up asap
[2013/09/24 11:49]  Pathfinder.Lester take care
[2013/09/24 11:49]  Nebadon Izumi: later!
[2013/09/24 11:50]  Hiro Protagonist is Offline
[2013/09/24 11:50]  Nebadon Izumi: anyone else have anything they wanted to discuss?
[2013/09/24 11:50]  Nebadon Izumi: were nearing top of the hour, nows the time :)
[2013/09/24 11:51]  Andrew Hellershanks: I'm trying to figure out why land sales broke in 075/076
[2013/09/24 11:51]  Nebadon Izumi: ya, wish i could be more help with that
[2013/09/24 11:51]  Richardus Raymaker: hmm, did you changed something with php code ?
[2013/09/24 11:51]  Nebadon Izumi: i can say with certain viewers
[2013/09/24 11:51]  Nebadon Izumi: you need to make sure Admin menu is enabled
[2013/09/24 11:51]  Nebadon Izumi: or land sales just dont work
[2013/09/24 11:51]  Richardus Raymaker: dont think you can sell land without the php code
[2013/09/24 11:51]  Andrew Hellershanks: I've got about a half-dozen minor issues I've found in the OS code base so I'll probably be filing a pile of mantis reports.
[2013/09/24 11:51]  Nebadon Izumi: ctrl+alt+v
[2013/09/24 11:51]  Nebadon Izumi: you dont need god powers or estate powers
[2013/09/24 11:51]  Teravus Ousley: One thing that I can say about the time.. is it's marching on.. . and time is still marching on.
[2013/09/24 11:52]  Nebadon Izumi: but if the Admin menu is not enabled land sales will fail
[2013/09/24 11:52]  Andrew Hellershanks: no, the PHP code didn't change. I used to test the PHP code for land sales on my standalone but my standalone won't do sales any more.
[2013/09/24 11:52]  Nebadon Izumi: its been pretty common issue since Imprudence
[2013/09/24 11:52]  Latif Khalifa is Online
[2013/09/24 11:52]  Nebadon Izumi: it would be nice to figure that problem out one of these years too
[2013/09/24 11:52]  Richardus Raymaker: well, im waiting for 0.7.6 before i want a headace. with figureing things out
[2013/09/24 11:52]  Nebadon Izumi: its very frustrating to have to explain to a noobie how to bring that up
[2013/09/24 11:52]  Andrew Hellershanks: Oh, crap. I'm usually the one who remember the stupid business that some things only work when admin menu is showing.
[2013/09/24 11:52]  Richardus Raymaker: anyway good hint neb. admin menu need open
[2013/09/24 11:53]  Nebadon Izumi: ya we ran into that problem at OSCC13
[2013/09/24 11:53]  Nebadon Izumi: so its still pretty fresh in my mind
[2013/09/24 11:53]  Nebadon Izumi: its a stupid problem
[2013/09/24 11:53]  Justin Clark-Casey has been completely absorbed in irc
[2013/09/24 11:54]  Andrew Hellershanks: Everything is ok up until you push Purchase to buy the land then nothing happens. I don't know if the viewer or the OS code should warn you about needing to had Admin showing.
[2013/09/24 11:54]  Nebadon Izumi: no worries Justin
[2013/09/24 11:54]  Nebadon Izumi: really we should fix it
[2013/09/24 11:54]  Nebadon Izumi: so admin menu is not required
[2013/09/24 11:54]  Nebadon Izumi: because its not in SL
[2013/09/24 11:54]  Richardus Raymaker: andrew , my experience is that buy from the edit menu sometime swork better
[2013/09/24 11:54]  Andrew Hellershanks: I think in a lot of cases there should be little need for the Admin menu before you can do some things.
[2013/09/24 11:54]  Nebadon Izumi: but honestly I dont even know where to begin with that
[2013/09/24 11:54]  Nebadon Izumi: it seems crazy its required
[2013/09/24 11:54]  Nebadon Izumi: somewhere we are passing wrong flags or something
[2013/09/24 11:55]  Nebadon Izumi: those are never fun issues
[2013/09/24 11:55]  Andrew Hellershanks: Richardus, I use the pie menu, it autheticates and gives you the dialog box with the details and a purchase button. Nothing happens after purchase.
[2013/09/24 11:55]  Andrew Hellershanks: I'll try land sale with Admin menu showing and see if that is it.
[2013/09/24 11:55]  Nebadon Izumi: we should probably ask Lkalif
[2013/09/24 11:55]  Nebadon Izumi: what he thinks
[2013/09/24 11:55]  Andrew Hellershanks: If it is, perhaps I should bug the viewer devs about fixing that issue.
[2013/09/24 11:55]  Richardus Raymaker: and if you di the same with the buy button in edit ?
[2013/09/24 11:55]  Richardus Raymaker: edit -> terrain -> buy
[2013/09/24 11:55]  Nebadon Izumi: having a viewer devs insight on that problem could be helpful
[2013/09/24 11:56]  Nebadon Izumi: lkalif is very good with grid proxy
[2013/09/24 11:56]  dan banner: if only he was here :p
[2013/09/24 11:56]  Andrew Hellershanks: Richardus, I can't test that right now. IIRC(?) you get to the same dialog box for the land sale.
[2013/09/24 11:56]  Nebadon Izumi: he is on IRC
[2013/09/24 11:56]  Nebadon Izumi: haha
[2013/09/24 11:56]  Fearghus McMahon: lol dan
[2013/09/24 11:56]  dan banner: hes here too
[2013/09/24 11:56]  Nebadon Izumi: oh lol
[2013/09/24 11:56]  Nebadon Izumi: indeed he is
[2013/09/24 11:56]  Nebadon Izumi: hey Latif :)
[2013/09/24 11:56]  Latif Khalifa: The issue is land sale not being enabled unless you put the viewer in admin mode?
[2013/09/24 11:57]  Richardus Raymaker: its a while ago i fighted with buying stuff andrew. so its rusty
[2013/09/24 11:57]  Latif Khalifa: Hi :)
[2013/09/24 11:57]  Nebadon Izumi: correct
[2013/09/24 11:57]  Nebadon Izumi: you cant buy land unless you ctrl+alt+v
[2013/09/24 11:57]  Andrew Hellershanks: I'll test land sales later with the admin menu showing. In the meantime I need to get Presence table populating when running SA mode.
[2013/09/24 11:57]  Nebadon Izumi: its been this way since Imprudence
[2013/09/24 11:57]  Latif Khalifa: Is there a mantis on this?
[2013/09/24 11:57]  Nebadon Izumi: maybe even longer
[2013/09/24 11:57]  Nebadon Izumi: hmm
[2013/09/24 11:57]  Dahlia Trimble: Latif be careful, Nebadon is starting fires again
[2013/09/24 11:57]  Nebadon Izumi: id have to search Latif
[2013/09/24 11:57]  Nebadon Izumi: haha
[2013/09/24 11:57]  Latif Khalifa: lol
[2013/09/24 11:57]  Richardus Raymaker: lol
[2013/09/24 11:57]  Nebadon Izumi: thats one of those time waster bugs really
[2013/09/24 11:57]  Andrew Hellershanks: Nebadon, that should be fixed so if you try to do something that only works when the menu is showing you should be told.
[2013/09/24 11:57]  Nebadon Izumi: its nothing fatal
[2013/09/24 11:58]  Nebadon Izumi: it just ends up wasting lots of your time
[2013/09/24 11:58]  Andrew Hellershanks: It may have just wasted a lot of the last several days of my time.
[2013/09/24 11:58]  dan banner: so when people cant buy a parcel just ask them to use ctrl-alt-v?
[2013/09/24 11:58]  Fearghus McMahon: which could be fatal for someone that walks in while you are cranky
[2013/09/24 11:58]  Andrew Hellershanks: dan, that seems to be the thing to do.
[2013/09/24 11:59]  dan banner scribbles that down
[2013/09/24 11:59]  Richardus Raymaker: huh ? ctrl-alt-v is normal for flying
[2013/09/24 12:00]  Fearghus McMahon: ctrl alt g?
[2013/09/24 12:00]  Nebadon Izumi: ctrl+alt+g might fail
[2013/09/24 12:00]  Nebadon Izumi: unless you are a god
[2013/09/24 12:00]  Andrew Hellershanks: Richardus, not in Singularity. Ctrl-Alt-V is to view Admin menu
[2013/09/24 12:00]  Marcus Llewellyn: Ctrl-F4 will fix most people's problems. >:)
[2013/09/24 12:00]  Nebadon Izumi: lol
[2013/09/24 12:00]  Fearghus McMahon: oh right thats request admin status my bad
[2013/09/24 12:01]  Latif Khalifa: Is it possible to test land sales on osgrid?
[2013/09/24 12:01]  Latif Khalifa: there is even funny money here
[2013/09/24 12:01]  dan banner: i sell land all the time latif
[2013/09/24 12:01]  Nebadon Izumi: yes Latif
[2013/09/24 12:01]  Latif Khalifa: on osgrid?
[2013/09/24 12:01]  dan banner: yup
[2013/09/24 12:01]  Nebadon Izumi: yes
[2013/09/24 12:01]  dan banner: sell for $0
[2013/09/24 12:01]  Fearghus McMahon: sell for 0?
[2013/09/24 12:01]  Nebadon Izumi: you have to do it to a specifc person
[2013/09/24 12:02]  Nebadon Izumi: you cant set it for sale to everyone for 0L$
[2013/09/24 12:02]  Nebadon Izumi: viewer restriction from SL
[2013/09/24 12:02]  Latif Khalifa: ah
[2013/09/24 12:02]  Nebadon Izumi: land bots
[2013/09/24 12:02]  Nebadon Izumi: lol
[2013/09/24 12:02]  dan banner: right, the bots would grab it all
[2013/09/24 12:02]  Dorothea Lundquist gave you Question about enable group again.
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[2013/09/24 12:02]  Latif Khalifa: osgird has no support for money at all, right?
[2013/09/24 12:02]  Richardus Raymaker: lol, and ther emany bots here :P
[2013/09/24 12:02]  Nebadon Izumi: right
[2013/09/24 12:02]  Fearghus McMahon: darn bots and their npc friends that want a piece of land to form their free state
[2013/09/24 12:02]  Nebadon Izumi: just for 0L$ only
[2013/09/24 12:03]  Nebadon Izumi: i remember in SL when i had mainland parcel for sale
[2013/09/24 12:03]  Latif Khalifa: would be fun to have some "points" here to, just for the fun of it ;)
[2013/09/24 12:03]  Nebadon Izumi: i set it for a certain price
[2013/09/24 12:03]  Nebadon Izumi: then every few minutes id lower price buy 5L$
[2013/09/24 12:03]  Andrew Hellershanks: Another issue. THinking I had a config issue, I was looking at my ini files. StandaloneCommon.ini has some settings for HG mode. Shouldn't those be removed since if you want HG support in SA mode you should use StandaloneHypergrid.ini?
[2013/09/24 12:03]  Nebadon Izumi: once i hit a certain # like 10 bots all arrived simultanously
[2013/09/24 12:03]  Nebadon Izumi: was hilarious
[2013/09/24 12:03]  Justin Clark-Casey: andrew: it's probably because those are thigns which users are likely to change
[2013/09/24 12:03]  Latif Khalifa: it's a good way to sell land fast on SL
[2013/09/24 12:03]  Latif Khalifa: but now land there is almost useless
[2013/09/24 12:03]  Justin Clark-Casey: currently there's no alternative to having things in StandaloneCommon.ini
[2013/09/24 12:04]  Latif Khalifa: last time I checked landbots were strinking at 0.1 $L / sqm
[2013/09/24 12:04]  Latif Khalifa: striking*
[2013/09/24 12:04]  Andrew Hellershanks: justin, huh? I don't want HG support in my OS setup so why should there be any HG settings in SA common?
[2013/09/24 12:04]  Justin Clark-Casey: Andrew: because that's the only place we recommend user's change those settings
[2013/09/24 12:04]  Andrew Hellershanks: oh, StandaloneHypergrid.ini isn't the equivalent for SA in HG support?
[2013/09/24 12:04]  Justin Clark-Casey: they should not change StandaloneHypergrid.ini
[2013/09/24 12:04]  Justin Clark-Casey: reight
[2013/09/24 12:04]  Andrew Hellershanks: oh. :P
[2013/09/24 12:04]  Nebadon Izumi: ah ya
[2013/09/24 12:05]  Andrew Hellershanks: ok, I'll just comment all the HG stuff out.
[2013/09/24 12:05]  Robert Adams: in theory, you don't edit StandaloneHypergrid.ini.... you only edit StandaloneCommon.ini.... that's why it has the .example version
[2013/09/24 12:05]  Nebadon Izumi: right
[2013/09/24 12:05]  Nebadon Izumi: its what you have set at bottom of OpenSim.ini
[2013/09/24 12:05]  Nebadon Izumi: that determines what gets read
[2013/09/24 12:05]  Andrew Hellershanks nods
[2013/09/24 12:05]  Dahlia Trimble: bye all :)
[2013/09/24 12:05]  Nebadon Izumi: see you Dahlia
[2013/09/24 12:05]  Fearghus McMahon: tc Dahlia
[2013/09/24 12:05]  Teravus Ousley: :)
[2013/09/24 12:05]  Richardus Raymaker: bye dahlia
[2013/09/24 12:05]  Teravus Ousley: I think I'm going to go also
[2013/09/24 12:06]  Latif Khalifa: I need to adopt an opensim dev ;)
[2013/09/24 12:06]  Nebadon Izumi: lol
[2013/09/24 12:06]  Nebadon Izumi: I need food, but am feeling incredibly lazy
[2013/09/24 12:06]  Andrew Hellershanks: I found one other bug regarding the money module.
[2013/09/24 12:06]  Dahlia Trimble is Offline
[2013/09/24 12:06]  Justin Clark-Casey: nebadon: as you were here from the start, could you post the chatlog?
[2013/09/24 12:06]  Latif Khalifa: If I spend time fixing some of these issues I don't want them to sit umerged for montsh
[2013/09/24 12:06]  Fearghus McMahon: take care teravus
[2013/09/24 12:06]  Richardus Raymaker: well TP the food to you. or just print some food
[2013/09/24 12:07]  Fearghus McMahon: get one of those pizza making machines
[2013/09/24 12:07]  Teravus Ousley is Offline
[2013/09/24 12:07]  Richardus Raymaker: nasa is working on food printer
[2013/09/24 12:08]  Andrew Hellershanks: In EconomyDataRequestHandler the Sample money module has clientScene.RegionInfo.ObjectCapacity as one of the function call arguments.
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