Chat log from the meeting on 2010-10-12

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[18:16] Nebadon Izumi: Wright Plaza is back
[18:16] Nebadon Izumi: im heading over
[18:16] Andrew Hellershanks: ok
[18:16] Teleport completed from http://slurl.com/secondlife/Lbsa%20Plaza/129/126/38
[18:16] The region you have entered is running a different simulator version: OpenSim 0.6.9 (Post_Fixes) 76fd4cf: 2010-09-30 15:43:56 +0100 (Unix/Mono)
[18:18] Nebadon Izumi: hello everyone
[18:18] Dahlia Trimble: hi :)
[18:18] Richardus Raymaker: hi
[18:18] Justin Clark-Casey: hello again
[18:18] Nebadon Izumi: its armin
[18:19] Nebadon Izumi: he keeps crashing the sim
[18:19] Nebadon Izumi: im going to ban him from sim
[18:19] Entering god mode, level 255
[18:19] Dahlia Trimble: whats he doing?
[18:19] Nebadon Izumi: no clue
[18:19] Nebadon Izumi: but everytime he logs in sim goes to 0fps
[18:19] Richardus Raymaker: hi dahlia
[18:19] Richardus Raymaker: maby he runs the latest experimental ?
[18:20] Nebadon Izumi: not sure
[18:20] Hiro Protagonist is Online
[18:20] Richardus Raymaker: hi penny
[18:20] Simulator Version v0.5 shouts: OpenSim 0.6.9 (Post_Fixes) 76fd4cf: 2010-09-30 15:43:56 +0100 (Unix/Mono)
[18:20] Justin Clark-Casey: If he is, I'm sure he'd be happy to drop down to imprudence stable if he knows he's crashing the place
[18:20] Richardus Raymaker: why does lbsa not have that problem ?
[18:20] Richardus Raymaker: best if he try stable yes
[18:20] Nebadon Izumi: not sure if he tried logging in there
[18:21] Richardus Raymaker: good to know thjat i must not upgrade imprudence
[18:21] Adelle Fitzgerald: yaay for failed teleports :)
[18:21] Andrew Hellershanks whispers: which version of imprudence causes problems?
[18:21] Dahlia Trimble: im running latest imprudence release
[18:21] Nebadon Izumi: no clue
[18:21] Adelle Fitzgerald: hello all
[18:21] Nebadon Izumi: not even sure it was imprudence
[18:21] Dahlia Trimble: hi
[18:22] Nebadon Izumi: hello Dahlia
[18:22] Nebadon Izumi: sorry for the delays everyone
[18:22] Andrew Hellershanks: I have a copy of 1.3.0-rc2 but I'm not using it
[18:22] Hiro Protagonist: Hiyas :)
[18:22] Justin Clark-Casey: speculation?
[18:22] Justin Clark-Casey: well, I tweeted him :)
[18:22] Nebadon Izumi: yes everytime Armin Weatherwax logs in the sim freezes
[18:22] Nebadon Izumi: he probably is using imprudence
[18:22] Nebadon Izumi: but who knows
[18:22] Andrew Hellershanks: Easy to find out by asking him
[18:22] Nebadon Izumi: ya not sure if he is online
[18:22] Nebadon Izumi: hes not on IRC
[18:23] Richardus Raymaker: i use imprudence to
[18:23] Justin Clark-Casey: twitter.com/ArminWeatherwax
[18:23] Nebadon Izumi: i blocked his 2 avatars from the sim for the moment
[18:23] Andrew Hellershanks: Leave him an inworld message
[18:23] Nebadon Izumi: well it says he is online
[18:23] Nebadon Izumi: but he isnt responding
[18:23] Andrew Hellershanks: k
[18:23] Nebadon Izumi: so i doubt hes going to get anything i said
[18:23] Richardus Raymaker: i can ask armin in irc
[18:24] Nebadon Izumi: he isnt there
[18:24] Richardus Raymaker: aah
[18:24] Nebadon Izumi: or i would have asked him on IRC
[18:24] Andrew Hellershanks: might be in another region that is now at fps
[18:24] Andrew Hellershanks: 0fps
[18:24] Justin Clark-Casey: anyway, we should probably talk if there is anything to talk about
[18:24] Nebadon Izumi: heh ya
[18:24] Justin Clark-Casey: you guys really going ahead with the 0.7 upgrade on Sunday? :)
[18:24] Nebadon Izumi: yes
[18:24] Andrew Hellershanks: We usually find something to talk about
[18:24] Dahlia Trimble: Sunday? hmmm
[18:24] Richardus Raymaker: wich version of 0.7 ?
[18:24] Nebadon Izumi: master
[18:25] Andrew Hellershanks: osgrid going to 0.7 this Sunday? cool
[18:25] Nebadon Izumi: yes
[18:25] Richardus Raymaker: already available for download ?
[18:25] Nebadon Izumi: no
[18:25] Nebadon Izumi: not yet
[18:25] Nebadon Izumi: probably by friday
[18:25] Richardus Raymaker: thats way to late
[18:25] Nebadon Izumi: i should have sample ini's and release
[18:25] Nebadon Izumi: why
[18:25] Nebadon Izumi: you wont be able to upgrade until monday
[18:25] BlueWall Slade: I'm getting some nasty SQLite errors on master atm
[18:25] Richardus Raymaker: it takes some time to do all servers
[18:25] BlueWall Slade: won't build
[18:25] BlueWall Slade: mono 2.8
[18:25] Nebadon Izumi: you wont loose your spaces Richardus
[18:25] Dahlia Trimble: wont build?
[18:25] BlueWall Slade: no
[18:26] Richardus Raymaker: aha other question yes. can we use mono 0.6.7 ? or later ?
[18:26] Nebadon Izumi: your not going to be able to ugprade your sims until monday
[18:26] BlueWall Slade: I haven't had time to sort it out yet
[18:26] Richardus Raymaker: i need to do 24 ini files + 16 test at home. lol
[18:26] Nebadon Izumi: if you really want to look check Danger grid
[18:26] Hiro Protagonist: is that all Rira?
[18:26] Nebadon Izumi: i have alot more to do that than Richardus
[18:26] Richardus Raymaker: lo hiro
[18:26] Nebadon Izumi: plus i have to upgrade the entire grid
[18:26] Hiro Protagonist: as do I
[18:26] Nebadon Izumi: but like i said there is no rush
[18:27] Richardus Raymaker: until i figured out how many regions you can test on windows 4GB, yes hiro
[18:27] Nebadon Izumi: the Region database will be migrated
[18:27] Dahlia Trimble: I think I have a region running on danger somewhere
[18:27] Nebadon Izumi: no one will loose their spaces
[18:27] Nebadon Izumi: and if you want to experiment you can hook a sim up to Danger grid
[18:27] Richardus Raymaker: except clean shutdown right ?
[18:27] Nebadon Izumi: http://www.danger.osgrid.org
[18:27] Nebadon Izumi: ya just like normal
[18:27] Nebadon Izumi: if you do a clean shut down you will loose your space
[18:28] Richardus Raymaker: i hoped to prepare the ini's already on a relaxed way
[18:28] Nebadon Izumi: but we will kill the grid servers before anyone shuts down
[18:28] BlueWall Slade: hehe - OSGrid / kill -9 is your friend
[18:28] Nebadon Izumi: you will have 4 days
[18:28] Nebadon Izumi: i'll try to get it posted early on Friday
[18:28] Richardus Raymaker: so its till monay down. ok
[18:28] Nebadon Izumi: right
[18:28] Richardus Raymaker: monday
[18:28] Nebadon Izumi: it will be around 24 hours
[18:28] Nebadon Izumi: before grid is back online
[18:28] Nebadon Izumi: might be faster
[18:28] Andrew Hellershanks: I've seen shutdowns not remove entries from the regions table
[18:28] Richardus Raymaker: or slower
[18:29] Nebadon Izumi: i doubt it will take longer
[18:29] Nebadon Izumi: unless something goes really wrong
[18:29] Nebadon Izumi: like some kind of data center outtage or something
[18:29] Nebadon Izumi: short of that i dont see it taking more than 24 hours
[18:29] Andrew Hellershanks: If they are going to have one, that is the time it will happen :-)
[18:29] Nebadon Izumi: hehe
[18:30] Nebadon Izumi: i think it will go pretty smoothly myself
[18:30] Richardus Raymaker: nebadon mono 2.8 already downloadable with zypper ?
[18:30] Justin Clark-Casey: Optimism, that's what I like to hear
[18:31] Andrew Hellershanks: its the post upgrade stuff you will find out about soon enough
[18:31] Nebadon Izumi: a few people have already migrated their sims to danger grid as a test
[18:31] Dahlia Trimble: ewwww mono 2.8
[18:31] Nebadon Izumi: not sure Richardus
[18:31] Nebadon Izumi: probably not
[18:31] BlueWall Slade: yes it is
[18:31] Richardus Raymaker: ok, thehn i try 0.6.7
[18:31] Nebadon Izumi: with stock repo's BlueWall?
[18:31] BlueWall Slade: yes
[18:31] Nebadon Izumi: thats suprising
[18:31] BlueWall Slade: it is released
[18:31] Nebadon Izumi: ya but that doesnt mean its in the repos always
[18:32] Richardus Raymaker: yes. think not right tiome to do
[18:32] BlueWall Slade: http://www.go-mono.com/mono-downloads/download.html
[18:32] Nebadon Izumi: my testing with 2.8 wasnt so bad
[18:32] Nebadon Izumi: right but that tells you to add new repos bluewall
[18:32] Nebadon Izumi: im talking about the stock Suse repo's
[18:32] Nebadon Izumi: let me check
[18:32] Dahlia Trimble: why do people want to upgrade to 2.8?
[18:32] BlueWall Slade: zypper addrepo http://ftp.novell.com/pub/mono/download-stable/openSUSE_11.3 mono-stable
[18:32] Nebadon Izumi: ya
[18:33] BlueWall Slade: well, it has mono-sgen
[18:33] Nebadon Izumi: thats not the stock suse repo
[18:33] Justin Clark-Casey: in the hopes it will perform, better I ugess
[18:33] Nebadon Izumi: it doesnt perform any better
[18:33] Nebadon Izumi: if you ask me
[18:33] Nebadon Izumi: 2.4.2.3 runs better for me
[18:33] Dahlia Trimble: but it has bugs
[18:33] Nebadon Izumi: ya Meshmerizer has bugz
[18:33] Dahlia Trimble: 2.4.2.3 ++
[18:33] Nebadon Izumi: your going to have problems on 2.8
[18:33] Richardus Raymaker: comapre sofar possible mono 2.4.2.3 with win7 pro difference 4GB and 2 cores
[18:33] Dahlia Trimble: it's not a meshmerizer bug, its a mono bug
[18:33] BlueWall Slade: I have been on 2.6.7 since it came out
[18:33] Nebadon Izumi: ya
[18:34] Nebadon Izumi: sorry Dahlia just mean your going to run into bugs
[18:34] Nebadon Izumi: using Meshmerizer + 2.8
[18:34] Nebadon Izumi: a library meshmerizer uses is broken
[18:34] Nebadon Izumi: alteast in x64
[18:34] Justin Clark-Casey: meshmerizer isn't all managed code?
[18:34] BlueWall Slade: I didn't get that on 0.7x yet
[18:34] Nebadon Izumi: my testing with x86 was better
[18:34] Nebadon Izumi: but limited
[18:34] Dahlia Trimble: System.Drawing.Imaging is broken (as usual)
[18:34] Nebadon Izumi: your using x86 or x64 Bluewall?
[18:34] BlueWall Slade: x64
[18:34] Richardus Raymaker: hi juicy
[18:34] Nebadon Izumi: interesting
[18:34] Nebadon Izumi: i had major issues
[18:35] Nebadon Izumi: on 0.6.9 and 0.7
[18:35] BlueWall Slade: the 0.6.9-pf was a different story
[18:35] Nebadon Izumi: are you using Sculpty?
[18:35] Justin Clark-Casey: I guess even the first releases in a new 2.x series are dodgy
[18:35] Juicy Babii nods
[18:35] Nebadon Izumi: if not slap a few dozen sculpty in your sim
[18:35] BlueWall Slade: there are a couple
[18:35] Nebadon Izumi: i couldnt even get my sims tos tart
[18:35] Nebadon Izumi: to start*
[18:35] BlueWall Slade: thsi wa an oar
[18:35] Dahlia Trimble: I added a flag to disable sculpt map caching
[18:35] Dahlia Trimble: in the ini file
[18:35] BlueWall Slade: I'm going to migrate the dev grid soon
[18:35] Nebadon Izumi: ya i still need to test that
[18:36] BlueWall Slade: so, what is up with it Dahlia ?
[18:36] Richardus Raymaker: the way i read it hear not much hope mono gets really better soon
[18:36] Dahlia Trimble: so if you get crashes on sim restarts with mono 2.8 try setting that flag to false
[18:36] BlueWall Slade: ok
[18:36] Justin Clark-Casey: well, ppl were down on 2.6.x and that seems okay now
[18:36] Dahlia Trimble: to disable scuplt map caching
[18:36] Justin Clark-Casey: 2.8 probably needs to time to have the bugs ironed out
[18:37] Nebadon Izumi: what i dont get is Mono keeps adding stuff
[18:37] BlueWall Slade: everything I have is good on mono
[18:37] Nebadon Izumi: but performance is not improveing
[18:37] Nebadon Izumi: have you seen any improvment though Bluewall?
[18:37] Richardus Raymaker: thats bad
[18:37] BlueWall Slade: running with mono-sgen show up a couple of things
[18:37] Nebadon Izumi: 2.4 runs much better than 2.8
[18:37] Nebadon Izumi: for me
[18:37] BlueWall Slade: I have just run it on my dev grid
[18:37] Justin Clark-Casey: tbh, opensim probably has much more scope for perf improvements than mono
[18:37] Richardus Raymaker: the still aim for other mono use i think where speed is not so important
[18:37] Dahlia Trimble: I didnt backport that flag so its only in master branch
[18:37] BlueWall Slade: 2.6.7 on the grid
[18:37] Nebadon Izumi: ive not seen any improvement from sgen though
[18:38] Nebadon Izumi: memory usage seemed higher infact
[18:38] Nebadon Izumi: for Wright Plaza
[18:38] Hiro Protagonist: Rira for god's sake man, there is a 'y' on the end of the word 'they'
[18:38] BlueWall Slade: I will be able to see when I can migrate the dev grit - at least a little
[18:38] Nebadon Izumi: cool ya id like to know what you find for sure
[18:38] Nebadon Izumi: after the OSgrid migration i'll play more with 2.8 again
[18:38] BlueWall Slade: I really dont' see anu change on the one region
[18:39] Nebadon Izumi: im a bit disapointed overall so far though
[18:39] Justin Clark-Casey: yeah, concentrate on that migration first :)
[18:39] Justin Clark-Casey: hope you have vats of coffee and the sandbags ready in the bunker ;)
[18:39] Nebadon Izumi: heh
[18:39] BlueWall Slade: I restart sims each day
[18:39] Nebadon Izumi: ya we'll be pretty busy all week prepping for the switch
[18:39] Nebadon Izumi: were moving on to new hardware too
[18:40] Nebadon Izumi: so thats fun
[18:40] BlueWall Slade: they get messy after a few hours
[18:40] BlueWall Slade: ohhh, man, lol
[18:40] Justin Clark-Casey: Bluewall: messy?
[18:40] BlueWall Slade: lot's of monkey wrenches
[18:40] Dahlia Trimble: I restart them after I notice they crash, which can be a week lol
[18:40] BlueWall Slade: they use cpu
[18:40] Nebadon Izumi: ya the new server should run alot better
[18:40] BlueWall Slade: sometimes the PhysFT goes up
[18:40] Nebadon Izumi: the current OSgrid server is getting old
[18:41] BlueWall Slade: it is nasty if people login while the scripts are loading
[18:41] Nebadon Izumi: the operating system on that box is a complete mess
[18:41] Justin Clark-Casey: we need to update to ode 11.1 sometime
[18:41] Nebadon Izumi: Debian 4 that was 1/2 ass dist-upgraded to Debian 5
[18:41] Nebadon Izumi: 3 years of testing stuff
[18:41] Hiro Protagonist: Ok that worked, now I can concentrate on harrassing youse guyz XD
[18:41] Nebadon Izumi: total mess
[18:42] Nebadon Izumi: new server is Suse 11.3 x64
[18:42] BlueWall Slade: it would be awesome if some person gifted in that area would jump on the ODE code and make it integrate bettwe with OS
[18:42] Nebadon Izumi: twice as much ram
[18:42] Nebadon Izumi: much bigger / faster drives
[18:42] Dorothea Lundquist is Offline
[18:42] Hiro Protagonist: raid too, correct?
[18:42] Nebadon Izumi: ya
[18:42] BlueWall Slade: that should fly
[18:42] Nebadon Izumi: 2x 500gb raid
[18:42] Nebadon Izumi: right now we have 120gb
[18:42] Hiro Protagonist: yeah its a beastly box, I know I had it provisioned LOL
[18:43] Hiro Protagonist: (its a simhost box)
[18:43] Hiro Protagonist does a little shameless self promotion
[18:43] Justin Clark-Casey: how many regions does osgrid run directly? the 4 plazas?
[18:43] Justin Clark-Casey: hiro: :)
[18:44] Hiro Protagonist: do we still have that big mega, vehicle load test?
[18:44] Nebadon Izumi: thats not running at the moment
[18:44] Hiro Protagonist: kk
[18:44] Hiro Protagonist: was just gonna throw it into the count
[18:44] Nebadon Izumi: we have Lbsa Plaza, Wright Plaza, 2 Sandbox Plazas
[18:44] Nebadon Izumi: Bade Plaza, Zaius Plaza, OSgrid Welcome Station
[18:45] Hiro Protagonist: SeaSeaPrior
[18:45] Nebadon Izumi: Teravus Plaza, Bade Plaza
[18:45] Nebadon Izumi: SeaPrior
[18:45] Hiro Protagonist: yeah Ter
[18:45] Justin Clark-Casey: 10
[18:45] Dorothea Lundquist is Online
[18:45] Nebadon Izumi: and 3 void sims
[18:45] Hiro Protagonist: lol he listed Bade twice :p
[18:45] Nebadon Izumi: the void sims are like 25 sims
[18:45] Nebadon Izumi: heh ya whoops
[18:45] Justin Clark-Casey: k
[18:45] Nebadon Izumi: i meant SeaPrior but typed bade
[18:45] Justin Clark-Casey: so you're going to upgrade everything and just let me ppl upgrade their systems and come back on once they've done that?
[18:45] Nebadon Izumi: there are few plazas offline
[18:46] paulie Flomar is Online
[18:46] Hiro Protagonist: I think thats more or less the plan
[18:46] paulie Flomar is Offline
[18:47] Nebadon Izumi: yes
[18:47] Nebadon Izumi: we'll post new release on friday
[18:47] Nebadon Izumi: so people can have a look at the differences
[18:47] Justin Clark-Casey: that sounds good. At least you don't have the linden problem of having to upgrade thousands of customer systems...
[18:47] Hiro Protagonist: OSGrid doesnt lol
[18:47] Hiro Protagonist: I suppose I'm fortunate I dont have *thousands*
[18:47] Nebadon Izumi: heh ya
[18:47] Nebadon Izumi: i dunno whats worse though
[18:48] Hiro Protagonist: oth if I did I'd probably have staff
[18:48] Nebadon Izumi: having to help a few 1000 people who dont know what they are doing
[18:48] Nebadon Izumi: or doing everything yourself
[18:48] Nebadon Izumi: lol
[18:48] Hiro Protagonist: lol
[18:48] Justin Clark-Casey: mmm, don't know how you guys cope
[18:48] Richardus Raymaker: DO yoiu expect changes in the ini. else i can git the latest and do ini files
[18:48] Nebadon Izumi: the good thing though is that everyone on the grid is helpful
[18:48] Nebadon Izumi: more than just the admins can help
[18:48] Justin Clark-Casey: yeah
[18:49] Nebadon Izumi: everyone is usually pretty helpful when we have these big migration type upgrades
[18:49] Hiro Protagonist: yeah information is viral
[18:49] Hiro Protagonist: it just has to get out
[18:49] Nebadon Izumi: plus we have had a bunch of adventerous types test migrating regions to Danger grid
[18:49] Justin Clark-Casey: richardus: there are lots of ini changes - you can't use the xisting files
[18:49] acryline erin: I have translate information in french
[18:49] Justin Clark-Casey: that's true - they know what's coming
[18:49] Nebadon Izumi: ya if anyone wants to you can just make a copy of your database
[18:49] Nebadon Izumi: and do a test migration to Danger grid today
[18:50] Justin Clark-Casey: acryline: very nice
[18:50] Nebadon Izumi: if you want to get a feel for how it will go down
[18:50] Nebadon Izumi: just be sure to change the ports if your doing it on the same server
[18:50] Dahlia Trimble: gotta run, bye all :)
[18:50] Hiro Protagonist: bye Dhalia
[18:50] Nebadon Izumi: we have already migrated all users/inventory/ assets to danger grid
[18:50] BlueWall Slade: bye Dahlia
[18:50] Nebadon Izumi: bye dahlia
[18:50] Justin Clark-Casey: bye dahlia
[18:50] Bartholomew Kleiber: bye dahlia
[18:50] Richardus Raymaker: No justin. i already use 0.7.1
[18:50] Kiyoshi Nyoki waves'
[18:51] Juicy Babii: so that's where my inventory went!!!
[18:51] Richardus Raymaker: on standalone. so i think to git the latest and use the config files to prepare somthing
[18:51] Juicy Babii giggles
[18:51] Richardus Raymaker: bye dalhia
[18:51] Hiro Protagonist: lol Juicy
[18:51] Justin Clark-Casey: richardus: yeah, shouldn't be too bad then. I think you would just need to change GridCommon.ini
[18:51] Richardus Raymaker: i mean i want to use git 0.7.x files. but are there some changes to come before friday ?
[18:51] Nebadon Izumi: so far though there have been minimal problems migrating
[18:51] perrson neox: hi
[18:51] Nebadon Izumi: Simpy even migrated his 25 region mega region
[18:52] Nebadon Izumi: with 71000 prims
[18:52] Nebadon Izumi: went pretty smooth
[18:52] Richardus Raymaker: is the fault corrected in the ini files with missing some lines ?
[18:52] BlueWall Slade: heh
[18:52] Justin Clark-Casey: nebadon: nobody is reporting problems with the new OpenSimDefaults.ini use?
[18:52] Nebadon Izumi: not really
[18:52] Nebadon Izumi: most everyone has used the Danger Grid release though
[18:52] Hiro Protagonist: some of bitched loudly about the change inconfiguration heh
[18:53] Nebadon Izumi: i imagine people going directly from git might be a bit more confused
[18:53] Hiro Protagonist: but as it turns out, it isnt so gnarly
[18:53] Nebadon Izumi: ya
[18:53] Nebadon Izumi: its shocking at 1st
[18:53] Nebadon Izumi: but after someone spends about 30 seconds explaining
[18:53] Nebadon Izumi: your like ooh
[18:53] Nebadon Izumi: ok
[18:53] Justin Clark-Casey: I dunno, I'm not a fan of all the veriage in OpenSim.ini.example now
[18:53] Nebadon Izumi: not so bad
[18:53] Justin Clark-Casey: anyway
[18:53] Richardus Raymaker: the git files are still not changed much.
[18:53] BlueWall Slade: I havent' seen anyt problems with core one
[18:53] BlueWall Slade: ours (OMF) is hosed a little
[18:54] Nebadon Izumi: ya i was kind of pissy about the changes at 1st too
[18:54] Nebadon Izumi: but after some contemplating it does make sense
[18:54] Nebadon Izumi: even though were not fully utilizing its potential yet
[18:54] Justin Clark-Casey: I find it really hard to read the example files now, with all that formatting in the comments
[18:54] Justin Clark-Casey: anyway, that's an argument for another day, really
[18:54] Nebadon Izumi: ya well thats the good thing sorta
[18:54] Nebadon Izumi: what that will lead to is a utility
[18:55] Nebadon Izumi: we wont have to load the ini
[18:55] Nebadon Izumi: its just not there yet
[18:55] Nebadon Izumi: were sorta 1/2 down the road with no map right now
[18:55] Nebadon Izumi: so ya its a bit confusing
[18:55] Justin Clark-Casey: yeah, never any maps - so irritating
[18:55] Justin Clark-Casey: oh well :)
[18:55] Nebadon Izumi: lol
[18:55] Justin Clark-Casey: we need a gps
[18:55] Nebadon Izumi: hehe
[18:56] Nebadon Izumi: btw i spoke to Armin
[18:56] Hiro Protagonist: lol andReal Men (tm) dont ask for directions :p
[18:56] BlueWall Slade: in a way , I would like to see some method in the IRegionModule & friends to handle some ini ting
[18:56] Nebadon Izumi: he just IM'd me
[18:56] Nebadon Izumi: were gonna do somet testing later
[18:56] Justin Clark-Casey: nebadon: that's cool
[18:56] BlueWall Slade: they are working on webkit ?
[18:56] Nebadon Izumi:
[18:54] Armin Weatherwax: ok, back - its the coming plugin viewer so i fear it has to be soreted out somewhen in a safe environment when you have time
[18:57] Justin Clark-Casey: ooh cool - plugins!
[18:57] Justin Clark-Casey: now, all we need to do is remove this 6 month barrier....
[18:57] Nebadon Izumi: heh
[18:57] Bartholomew Kleiber: lol
[18:57] BlueWall Slade: hehe
[18:57] Nebadon Izumi: i know we just need to get everyone to donate 10,000$ each
[18:57] Nebadon Izumi: get a few 1000 people
[18:57] Nebadon Izumi: then we can buy LL
[18:58] Hiro Protagonist: heh
[18:58] Hiro Protagonist: then we could burn it in a big bonfire amirite
[18:58] Juicy Babii: And anyone that's looked at their code knows what a joyride THAT would be...
[18:58] Richardus Raymaker: 10.000 O$ right ?
[18:58] Bartholomew Kleiber: LOL
[18:58] Justin Clark-Casey: imprudence were very successful with their "donations for a computer" request recently
[18:58] Juicy Babii: #ifdef MESSYBUGNUMBER666
[18:58] BlueWall Slade: let's wait 2 years and pick them up for US$300.00
[18:58] Nebadon Izumi: heh ya i actually read something the other day
[18:59] Nebadon Izumi: that places LL's value at almost 1 billion dollars
[18:59] Justin Clark-Casey: lol
[18:59] Nebadon Izumi: crazy
[18:59] Juicy Babii: that's 1 billion LINDEN dollars
[18:59] Hiro Protagonist: talk about your overvalued 'stock'
[18:59] Nebadon Izumi: heh
[18:59] BlueWall Slade: virtual value
[18:59] Nebadon Izumi: ya it wouldnt sell for that much
[19:00] Hiro Protagonist: that must be what it is
[19:00] Justin Clark-Casey: I'm not sure who would be it right now - it feels like it needs so much investment
[19:00] Hiro Protagonist: it was supposed to be $L but the webpage editor 'corrected' it
[19:00] Nebadon Izumi: lol
[19:00] Justin Clark-Casey: perhaps mesh will improve things
[19:00] Justin Clark-Casey: I hear that's going to roll out on their beta grid tomorrow
[19:00] Nebadon Izumi: ya i think so, i personally think LL is going to do alot of turn around
[19:00] Nebadon Izumi: i dont expect it will be sold anytime soon
[19:00] BlueWall Slade: we should have it pretty soon
[19:00] BlueWall Slade: at least the caps
[19:01] Nebadon Izumi: they are undoing alot of bad decisions right now
[19:01] Justin Clark-Casey: bluewall: is that going to be pushed up into core opensim?
[19:01] Justin Clark-Casey: do you know?
[19:01] BlueWall Slade: I guess so
[19:01] Nebadon Izumi: which can easily be interpreted as "they are selling" too
[19:01] Nebadon Izumi: M Linden just about ruined LL
[19:01] BlueWall Slade: the investors ruined it
[19:01] Justin Clark-Casey: nebadon: they can try and primp it up as much as possible.
[19:02] Nebadon Izumi: fact is though they still get almost 2 million users logging in every 60 days
[19:02] paulie Flomar is Online
[19:02] BlueWall Slade: yeah
[19:02] Nebadon Izumi: and there are crap loads of people out there who never even heard of Second Life
[19:03] Penny Lane: Who cares who ruined step 1 on the VW ladder. Just step over it, there's a hell of a lot of other steps before we reach the top :P
[19:03] BlueWall Slade: that is our market
[19:03] Nebadon Izumi: i bet if you just go out and randomly ask people "do you know what second life is"
[19:03] Nebadon Izumi: iu bet you would get maybe 1 in 20 people who do
[19:03] Nebadon Izumi: if that
[19:03] Justin Clark-Casey: yes. I just think technology simply isn't mature yet
[19:03] Lalinda Perhaps is Online
[19:03] BlueWall Slade: the thml5 / webgl wil probably help us a lot
[19:03] Penny Lane: It's just step 1.
[19:04] paulie Flomar: websockets ftw!
[19:04] BlueWall Slade: html5
[19:04] Justin Clark-Casey: the road to hell :)
[19:04] Nebadon Izumi: heh ya people need to get on better hardware
[19:04] Hiro Protagonist: Paulie Flomar FTW!
[19:04] paulie Flomar: heh. thx. :)
[19:04] Richardus Raymaker: html5 seems a privacy disaster
[19:04] Nebadon Izumi: thats the problem the % of people in the world who actually own a computer
[19:04] Nebadon Izumi: not a high # of that % can actually even run SL
[19:04] Juicy Babii: Blue Mars is gonna blow Second Life away (giggles)
[19:04] Hiro Protagonist: thats gonna change
[19:04] Hiro Protagonist: mark my words
[19:05] paulie Flomar: Btw, IE is planning to be the only browse which doesnt support websockets, instead developing a broken, proprietary Microsoft solution. :)
[19:05] Richardus Raymaker: with lag juicy ?
[19:05] Hiro Protagonist: LOL Juicy you are bonfied trolbait :p
[19:05] Justin Clark-Casey: I think it is improving, but to enlarge that audience things have to stay at a fairly pimitive level graphically
[19:05] Nebadon Izumi: ya its gonna blow SL away when it implodes
[19:05] Bartholomew Kleiber: I wonder how well (or not) blue mars is ....
[19:05] paulie Flomar: BlueMars is nice, but it feels like another closed world to me. I canyt do that again.
[19:05] paulie Flomar: The future is open.
[19:05] Nebadon Izumi: ya Bluemars is the most boring thing ever
[19:05] Nebadon Izumi: log in walk around log out
[19:05] Nebadon Izumi: thats bluemars
[19:05] Juicy Babii: I would even use the word 'terrible'
[19:05] Penny Lane: Here's the virtual world I want to build. I don't think we're quite there yet. :P http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbital_%28The_Culture%29
[19:06] Bartholomew Kleiber: OMG Iain Banks - my favourite writer ....
[19:06] Penny Lane: \o/
[19:06] Nebadon Izumi: heh Adam was talking about that long while ago Penny
[19:06] paulie Flomar: :)
[19:06] Hiro Protagonist: LOVE it
[19:06] Penny Lane: Adam++ :-)
[19:06] Justin Clark-Casey: what, going out into space and building a giant ring encircling the earth>?
[19:06] Justin Clark-Casey: ?
[19:07] Nebadon Izumi: well making sims that conform to that shape
[19:07] Xan Ting: Hiro where are you? I can here you but not see you
[19:07] Hiro Protagonist: I'm here, yes
[19:07] Richardus Raymaker: and what if the wormhole sim crash ? :P
[19:07] Hiro Protagonist: right here by Juicy, more or less
[19:07] Xan Ting: ahh upstairs ... sorry :)
[19:08] Justin Clark-Casey: I think we're going to have the usual summer ttime confusion next week, btw
[19:08] Nebadon Izumi: Niven Ring
[19:08] Justin Clark-Casey: us clocks go forward next week, right?
[19:08] Nebadon Izumi: hmm
[19:08] Nebadon Izumi: oh man really
[19:08] Nebadon Izumi: hopefully not before sunday
[19:08] Nebadon Izumi: hehe
[19:08] Nebadon Izumi: i dont even freakin know
[19:09] Penny Lane: Knowing there's such a gulf between the SL model and what's needed to make VWs really capable of satisfying our imagination, it really doesn't bother me what crappy SL does or doesn't do. :P
[19:09] BlueWall Slade: I don't either
[19:09] BlueWall Slade: I dont' ahve a schedule anymore
[19:09] Nebadon Izumi: picked the wrong week to stop sniffin glue
[19:09] Penny Lane: lol
[19:09] Bartholomew Kleiber: lol
[19:09] BlueWall Slade: it just seems like they keep shaving seconds off every day
[19:09] BlueWall Slade: haa
[19:10] Bartholomew Kleiber: 'Airplane addict
[19:10] Justin Clark-Casey: oh hold on, looks like us time changes on sunday nov 7
[19:10] Nebadon Izumi: ok cool
[19:10] Nebadon Izumi: ya we moved it 2 weeks
[19:10] Nebadon Izumi: now i think about it
[19:10] Justin Clark-Casey: european daylight savings ends on sunday 31 October so that's when the confusio nwill start
[19:10] Justin Clark-Casey: ah, ok
[19:11] BlueWall Slade: the candy and costume companies lobbied for that here, I guess
[19:11] Justin Clark-Casey: yeah, in the past you hadit before ours.
[19:11] Nebadon Izumi: heh
[19:11] Justin Clark-Casey: now it's after instead
[19:11] Richardus Raymaker: wintertime here 31 october
[19:12] Justin Clark-Casey: there's a good graphical display here -> http://www.daylight-savings-time.info/
[19:12] Justin Clark-Casey: or better http://www.daylight-savings-time.info/view/USp/UK/2010/h2/
[19:12] paulie Flomar: Damn SUN! Quit comin in my window and wipin out my monitor when Im tryin to enjoy my VIRTUAL WORLD!
[19:12] Justin Clark-Casey: ha
[19:13] Justin Clark-Casey: alright, I better go back to work. Good luck with the switchover on osgrid
[19:13] Nebadon Izumi: thanks Justin
[19:13] paulie Flomar: .7 ftw!!
[19:13] Richardus Raymaker: sun or SUN :O
[19:13] BlueWall Slade: see ya JCC
[19:13] Richardus Raymaker: bye jcc
[19:13] Bartholomew Kleiber: bye
[19:13] BlueWall Slade: I have to run too - see what is up in the SQLite
[19:13] paulie Flomar: cyas, BW.
[19:13] Nebadon Izumi: later BlueWall
[19:13] paulie Flomar: bye, JCC.
[19:13] Nebadon Izumi: thanks for coming guys
[19:13] Justin Clark-Casey: bluewall: yeah - urgh
[19:14] BlueWall Slade: see you guys next wekk on the new improved OSG :)
[19:14] Justin Clark-Casey waves
[19:14] Adelle Fitzgerald: bye Justin, Bluewall
[19:14] Bartholomew Kleiber: bye, too
[19:14] Adelle Fitzgerald: im gonna head out too, bye all