Chat log from the meeting on 2008-10-28
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[11:02] Dahlia Trimble is Online
[11:03] Nebadon Izumi: hello
[11:03] Dahlia Trimble: Hi :)
[11:03] Homer Horwitz: Hi
[11:03] Charles Krinkeb: he is smiling, so he must know what that means.
[11:03] Justin Clark-Casey: hey Nebadon
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[11:04] Blaksmith Rubble is Online
[11:04] sacha Magne: hello Dahila
[11:04] Dahlia Trimble: Hi :)
[11:04] Justin Clark-Casey: hmm, lots of out of order packets but at least theya re in the same sequence
[11:04] Justin Clark-Casey: which I think just means that we're stuffing too much traffic down networks links without the right thottling :)
[11:04] Nebadon Izumi: well one thing i did here was remove all the timer based scripts i had out
[11:04] Homer Horwitz: Hm, right. About one per second here.
[11:05] Teravus Ousley is Online
[11:05] Nebadon Izumi: 2nd thing i did was disable scripts at the login area
[11:05] Justin Clark-Casey: yeah, I think it's purely the amount of data
[11:05] Fly Man is Online
[11:05] daTwitch: Hey Y'all :D
[11:05] Nebadon Izumi: there is a small square down at the landing zone that scripts are turned off now
[11:05] Fly Man: Hey DaTwitch
[11:05] daTwitch: I'll be joining in from IRC today as linux client is supa flaky there right now
[11:05] Dahlia Trimble: my bandwidth seems a lot lower this time
[11:05] Nebadon Izumi: so im hoping that lightens up logins a bit
[11:05] Justin Clark-Casey: I'm on linux, no problems so far
[11:05] Nebadon Izumi: people with scripted attachments
[11:05] Justin Clark-Casey: hmm, still getting them quite reguarly even though bandwidth for me has fallen back
[11:05] Justin Clark-Casey: hmm
[11:06] Homer Horwitz: Right, bandwidth is throttled (client side) more and more...
[11:06] Justin Clark-Casey: yeah, we don't really obey throttles properly atm though
[11:06] Homer Horwitz: But not server side, I guess...
[11:06] Dahlia Trimble: scripted attachments? :(
[11:06] Homer Horwitz nods
[11:06] Nebadon Izumi: well huds and such
[11:06] Nebadon Izumi: AO is bad
[11:06] Nebadon Izumi: radar is bad
[11:07] Nebadon Izumi: so im killing them for atleast the login area
[11:07] Nebadon Izumi: the rest of wright plaza is open
[11:07] Blaksmith Rubble: ok, I'm kinda here hehee
[11:07] Teravus Ousley: timers and sensors are bad..
[11:07] Dahlia Trimble: Hi :)
[11:07] Justin Clark-Casey: hmm, frame time is pretty high still
[11:07] Teravus Ousley: a limitation of the script engine though
[11:07] Justin Clark-Casey: spiking
[11:07] Blaksmith Rubble: LOL poco
[11:08] Nebadon Izumi: yea i see spiking all day long here, anyone interested
[11:08] Dahlia Trimble: maybe there could be a priority for attachment scripts
[11:08] Nebadon Izumi: http://osgrid02.sytes.net/stats
[11:08] Justin Clark-Casey: yeah, need to look at the login process
[11:08] Nebadon Izumi: i had to take the panel down in world here
[11:08] Nebadon Izumi: its just to intense for this region
[11:08] Justin Clark-Casey: maybe prioritize some things/threads over others...
[11:09] Teravus Ousley: it's the lag dance
[11:09] Justin Clark-Casey: yeah
[11:09] Nebadon Izumi: hehe
[11:09] Justin Clark-Casey: tne,.
[11:09] Nebadon Izumi: yea it doesnt take this many people either
[11:09] Justin Clark-Casey: the lag moonwalk
[11:09] Nebadon Izumi: in time the sim does it on its own
[11:09] Nebadon Izumi: this many people coming and going over 10 hours
[11:09] Nebadon Izumi: has same effect
[11:10] Nebadon Izumi: eventually it just dies
[11:10] Nebadon Izumi: you can log in
[11:10] Nebadon Izumi: but you see no prims
[11:10] Nebadon Izumi: and are stuck in t pose
[11:10] Nebadon Izumi: anywhere from 2-12 hours
[11:10] Nebadon Izumi: really its more about how many people come and go i think
[11:10] Nebadon Izumi: than time
[11:10] Justin Clark-Casey: uh, what is causing such a masive frametime
[11:11] Fly Man: Update for Nebadon and Charles
[11:11] Fly Man: Diva just made the DataSnapShot update work
[11:11] Dahlia Trimble: agent time and sim time (other) whatever that means
[11:11] Fly Man: so OpenSim Search should now clean old regions that are down from the table
[11:11] Nebadon Izumi: k cool what was wrong with it?
[11:11] Nebadon Izumi: ah nice
[11:11] Fly Man: Nebadon, it didn't delete old regions
[11:11] Nebadon Izumi: yea
[11:11] Fly Man: and now it does
[11:11] Nebadon Izumi: i did notice that
[11:11] Justin Clark-Casey: ah , this is just sily
[11:12] daTwitch: Hi Infinity, perhaps more than you realize - whats up?
[11:12] infinity linden: not so much
[11:12] Teravus Ousley: heh, top colliders
[11:12] infinity linden: just kinda decided to be a fly on the wall
[11:12] greyhat newman: if im running into anyone sorry
[11:12] Nebadon Izumi: hello Infinity
[11:12] greyhat newman: u all unrezzed
[11:12] daTwitch: Infinity: surely you jest LOL
[11:12] ben omegamu: hi all
[11:12] Nebadon Izumi: hehe gotta select the seat cushion infinity
[11:13] Nebadon Izumi: nice
[11:13] daTwitch: Hiya Ben
[11:13] infinity linden: yeah... grids without training wheels confuse me
[11:13] Charles Krinkeb: Is Whump here, or anyone from LL?
[11:13] BlueWall Slade is Online
[11:13] daTwitch: Just Infinity so far Charles
[11:13] infinity linden: Whump mentioned he was going to come
[11:13] Teravus Ousley: well.. I notice that ther eare a few primitive that are racking up the collisions
[11:13] infinity linden: I think Whump is much more informed on near-term issues than I
[11:14] Charles Krinkeb: Should go on and ask for "Things developers need from testers this week" and come back to interop later...
[11:14] Justin Clark-Casey: TeravusLso what: so what is a bad score for top coliders?
[11:14] Teravus Ousley: well, that's actually counting up collisions in a span of time..
[11:14] whump: hey
[11:14] daTwitch: Heya Whump
[11:14] Nebadon Izumi: hello whump
[11:14] Homer Horwitz: Hi
[11:14] Teravus Ousley: so.. if you hit refresh and see consistant score of 80..
[11:14] Fly Man: There he is :)
[11:15] Dahlia Trimble: are standing and moving avatars considered colliders?
[11:15] Teravus Ousley: .. that means it's had 80 collisions since the last time you checked
[11:15] ben omegamu: :)
[11:15] Blaksmith Rubble: well, I only have to say that a lot of progress has been made over the last week.. .not jumping up and down on the prims etc.. :D
[11:15] Justin Clark-Casey: is a score of 1520 bad?
[11:15] Teravus Ousley: I think only prim are listed in the colliders
[11:15] Nebadon Izumi: heh
[11:15] Teravus Ousley: hit it again.
[11:15] Justin Clark-Casey: is it just me, or are other people experiencing constant client frezes?
[11:15] Nebadon Izumi: im not getting it so bad at the moment
[11:15] sacha Magne: so far so good
[11:15] Blaksmith Rubble: I seem fine over here.. no freezing
[11:15] Fly Man: So far, no complains here
[11:15] Dahlia Trimble: Im good
[11:15] BlueWall Slade: good here, so-far
[11:16] Homer Horwitz: Hm, me neither
[11:16] Justin Clark-Casey: huh, so just me then
[11:16] greyhat newman: im fine
[11:16] Teravus Ousley: it's about 20 collisions a second
[11:16] daTwitch: so, What's news today Whump?
[11:16] PocoLoco Darwin: haven't seen a client freeze in over a week
[11:16] sacha Magne: hello infinity
[11:16] Justin Clark-Casey: hmm there were a couple with 1500 before the last refresh
[11:16] infinity linden: Poco... are you on Darwin or WinTel?
[11:16] whump: So updates:
[11:16] infinity linden: or are you talking about the hippo viewer
[11:16] PocoLoco Darwin: Vista and XP
[11:16] infinity linden: hola sacha
[11:17] ben omegamu: wot
[11:17] whump: 1) Vaak OGP sims are down while we resolve the security issue. Will have more information when they are back up.
[11:17] Justin Clark-Casey: oh that's intersting -it apears to be my entire system
[11:17] PocoLoco Darwin: thought we talking the viewer,, did I miss soemthing
[11:17] Neas Bade is Online
[11:17] Dahlia Trimble: hax0rs?
[11:17] Homer Horwitz: Justin: Too hot?
[11:17] infinity linden: nah... just two (or more) conversation threads simultaneously
[11:17] whump: 2) We have a candidate fix for https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-9024, viewer disconnects after second LL OGP region crossing.
[11:17] Justin Clark-Casey: those damn hax-rs
[11:18] PocoLoco Darwin: more than than that here ,, reviewing irc logs from last nite too <:
[11:18] infinity linden: nah... actually... we found a hole big enough to drive a truch through
[11:18] infinity linden: thought we should close it befoer the haXX0r find it
[11:18] Nebadon Izumi: hell Sean
[11:18] Dahlia Trimble: eeks
[11:18] Justin Clark-Casey switchse to IRC
[11:18] Teravus Ousley: that's good that you found it before someone else did :D
[11:18] whump: Yes.
[11:18] daTwitch: no kiddin
[11:19] Justin Clark-Casey is Offline
[11:19] Neas Bade: hey folks, sorry I'm late
[11:19] PocoLoco Darwin: assuming y'all did,, yes , please close <:
[11:19] justincc: Hi Sean
[11:19] daTwitch: Howdeh SDague
[11:19] Dahlia Trimble: Hi :)
[11:19] Charles Krinkeb is Offline
[11:19] Homer Horwitz: Hi
[11:19] whump: I know there was some work on child agents last week, but it did not fix http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=2375 so if anyone has cycles to look at it, that'd be great.
[11:20] Justin Clark-Casey is Online
[11:20] Dahlia Trimble: child agents? o.O
[11:20] Charles Krinkeb is Online
[11:20] Homer Horwitz: Hm, we just had a fix going in yesterday I think
[11:20] daTwitch: whump: there is some work as of yesterday that may address that so it may be worth having someone take another look at it
[11:20] Homer Horwitz: Not specifically for this, but maybe it helps...
[11:20] whump: Homer, I'll update and check, thanks.
[11:20] daTwitch: I would, but am not set up to participate
[11:21] Teravus Ousley: Yes, it seems to be a general issue in OpenSimulator currently.. not shutting down child connections.. and shutting down the wrong endpoints and other goofyness with the UDP server and shutting down the connections.
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[11:21] Homer Horwitz: whump: r6993
[11:21] whump: Also, can anyone else replicate https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-3076?
[11:21] whump: I'll update to that rev and see what happens.
[11:22] Charles Krinkeb is Offline
[11:22] Fly Man: jus
[11:22] Fly Man: justin, you okay ?
[11:22] Nebadon Izumi: lol
[11:22] Justin Clark-Casey: yeah, just walking around Teravus
[11:22] Teravus Ousley: he's testing the frame time issue.
[11:22] greyhat newman: should that read chat lag ?
[11:22] Neas Bade: heh
[11:22] Nebadon Izumi: yea he has high gravitational forces
[11:23] Teravus Ousley: Note that OpenSim's max frametime is 100ms before it's <1.0 time dilation
[11:23] daTwitch: is that the same thing as overweight? *winks*
[11:23] Teravus Ousley: .. and we're talking about a 1300 ms frametime here
[11:23] Justin Clark-Casey: hmm, td still reads 1.0 though
[11:23] daTwitch: ouch
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[11:24] Teravus Ousley: It doesn't look like 1.0 td when you're walking :D
[11:24] Justin Clark-Casey: oh yeah, that 1.0 td must be wrong
[11:24] daTwitch: anything else WHump, Infinity?
[11:24] Dahlia Trimble: justin appears to be walking normally to me
[11:24] Neas Bade: neb, is the server stats stuff still running on WP?
[11:24] Justin Clark-Casey: heh, appearances are deceptive
[11:24] Dahlia Trimble: no rubberbanding
[11:25] Justin Clark-Casey: hmm,if you try walking yourself you'll see what it's like
[11:25] Homer Horwitz: Sean: http://osgrid02.sytes.net/stats/
[11:25] whump: that's it for me, Infinity?
[11:25] Justin Clark-Casey: feels like I'm wading through a see of rubber
[11:25] Justin Clark-Casey: sea
[11:25] infinity linden: nah
[11:25] infinity linden: not really too much
[11:25] infinity linden: i'm listening mostly
[11:25] Dahlia Trimble: lol yep pretty bad
[11:25] daTwitch: trow us a bone Infinity ;)
[11:25] infinity linden: (and trying to avoid doing real work)
[11:25] daTwitch: LOL
[11:26] PocoLoco Darwin: yeah, watching others is smooth, had some rubber-banding when I firest arrived and only a handful were here yet
[11:26] Teravus Ousley: on the bright side.. agent updates is down slightly
[11:26] whump: Infinity will be hosting Zero Linden's OO for a couple of weeks, btw.
[11:26] Blaksmith Rubble: don't mind me.. just listening in this week.. (and trying to avoid real work too lol)
[11:26] Justin Clark-Casey: yeah, I'm wondering if it's worth prioritizing movement packets over all others....
[11:26] PocoLoco Darwin: *I* had rubber band effect but others move smooth
[11:26] daTwitch: Where's Zero off to?
[11:26] infinity linden: well.. in a world where some (who shall remain nameless) would take anything I say and twist it to be "Linden Research is killing baby kittens"
[11:26] whump: He's gotten bizzy.
[11:26] infinity linden: i'm gonna be quiet (for once)
[11:26] daTwitch: LOL Infinity
[11:26] Dahlia Trimble: OMG kittens? :(
[11:27] whump: as in busy
[11:27] PocoLoco Darwin: heehee
[11:27] whump: Dahlia, they are only prim kittens.
[11:27] sacha Magne is happy to be a kitsune
[11:27] Dahlia Trimble: oh ok
[11:27] daTwitch: Hell WHump I thought he *was* busy ;)
[11:27] infinity linden: yeah... (actually i think we all know that it's Google who's killing kittens)
[11:27] Dahlia Trimble: kill them then
[11:27] Nebadon Izumi: lol
[11:27] PocoLoco Darwin: hahaha, aint that the troof inifinty
[11:27] Blaksmith Rubble: not the kitties!
[11:27] infinity linden: lol... i had some foxes chasing squirrels in my yard this morning
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[11:27] whump: Microsoft's getting into the cloud, so we'll be able to hate them again shortly, just like old times.
[11:28] daTwitch chuckles
[11:28] infinity linden: and Yahoo! too
[11:28] Homer Horwitz: lol
[11:28] Dahlia Trimble: lol
[11:28] PocoLoco Darwin: we stopped? <hating M$>
[11:28] BlueWall Slade wishes they would live in the clouds
[11:28] infinity linden: but Yahoo! insists its not getting into anything virtual
[11:28] Dahlia Trimble: yahoo is begging microsoft for money now
[11:28] infinity linden: (well virtual worldy anyway)
[11:28] daTwitch: aint it funneh how hindsight is twenteh-twenteh
[11:29] infinity linden: it is?
[11:29] greyhat newman: i begged has well im lowert down chain maybe :)
[11:29] daTwitch looks for kitteh corpses to throw at Infinity
[11:29] infinity linden: or as i like to say... "those who know history are destined to scream as them what didn't learn from it repeat past mistakes!"
[11:29] PocoLoco Darwin: <: good 1 greyhat
[11:29] Justin Clark-Casey: so, anybody got any opensim issues (apart from the horrible lag on this sim?)
[11:30] daTwitch: Nice Infinity :D
[11:30] sacha Magne: Yest: Timer issue
[11:30] Fly Man: Justin, depends what you call issues ?
[11:30] daTwitch: hmmm
[11:30] Blaksmith Rubble: ok, just got a full system freeze just then
[11:30] sacha Magne: Too many timers freeze the sim
[11:30] Nebadon Izumi: timer issue is mono isnt it
[11:30] Nebadon Izumi: ?
[11:30] daTwitch: I dont have any, but I havent exactly been pushing the envelope lately
[11:30] PocoLoco Darwin: variance of the long far away tp on logon
[11:30] Nebadon Izumi: timers go about 1000 times further on .net
[11:30] Nebadon Izumi: in opensim
[11:30] Teravus Ousley: UDP endpoint fugliness.. timer issues.. and maybe stuck events in the event queue.. not sure about that last one yet though.
[11:30] infinity linden: blergh.
[11:30] Charles Krinkeb is Online
[11:30] infinity linden: (that was a blergh about timers in mono.)
[11:31] Nebadon Izumi: yea
[11:31] Justin Clark-Casey: yeah, I really don't know waht's up with the UDP stuf
[11:31] Dahlia Trimble: maybe timers are a good place to add some throttling
[11:31] Justin Clark-Casey is Offline
[11:31] BlueWall Slade: http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=2351
[11:31] Blaksmith Rubble: hmm, issues.... no "issues" that I know of off the top of my head..
[11:31] daTwitch: I think if I was to pick an issue with the existing code, it would be getting logouts/dropoffs right
[11:31] PocoLoco Darwin: seeing "Using random UUID " in eventque on first log in after a time of being logged off
[11:31] Nebadon Izumi: yea logins are really harsh on linux
[11:31] justincc: teravus: did you have any luck with the missing ack on usecircuit problem?
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[11:31] greyhat newman: if anyone cares to help me get my sim connected i would be grateful
[11:31] Nebadon Izumi: and log outs really harsh on windows machines
[11:31] greyhat newman: <-------is terminal thick
[11:31] Blaksmith Rubble: maybe feet still in the ground, but that I think is being worked on ...
[11:31] justincc: teravus: did idb speak to you?
[11:31] Teravus Ousley: Are you noticing LibOMV clients resending the UseCircuitCode packet over and over again on Linden servers?
[11:31] Teravus Ousley: justincc: no.
[11:32] justincc: teravus: he did some work on llGetAgentSize(), but it sounds like his formula can't be applied directly to the calculation done for ODE
[11:32] Fly Man: Blue, the OSSL Teleport issue ?
[11:32] BlueWall Slade: yes
[11:32] BlueWall Slade: and llTeleportagentHome
[11:32] justincc: it seems a bit odd having two different heigh calculation algorithms
[11:32] Dahlia Trimble: height is a nasty calculation
[11:32] Nebadon Izumi: dont forget the magic sprinkles
[11:32] Nebadon Izumi: hehe
[11:32] BlueWall Slade: seems that any teleporting by script is hosed
[11:33] Justin Clark-Casey is Online
[11:33] Teravus Ousley: yeah, my height code is magical..
[11:33] Teravus Ousley: feel free to change it as appropriate.
[11:33] Nebadon Izumi: hehe
[11:33] Charles Krinkeb: the fact it works at all is a minor miracle.
[11:33] justincc: teravus: heh - have you looked at the one used by llGetAgentSize()?
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[11:34] Teravus Ousley: is it more magical?
[11:34] Dahlia Trimble notes that meshmerizer has a quite accurate bounding box calculation for prims
[11:34] justincc: it uses more of the avatar parameters
[11:34] Neas Bade: neb, at some point you should update the serverstats code. I've got cpu in % now
[11:34] Teravus Ousley: I suspect we're in virtual memory
[11:34] daTwitch: Dahlia: any way to adapt that for av height calculation?
[11:34] Neas Bade: dahlia, is there a way to turn that accuracy down?
[11:34] Nebadon Izumi: ok will do
[11:35] Justin Clark-Casey: not especiallky, there is still a bit of real headroom
[11:35] Caterina Farella: Hi all!
[11:35] daTwitch: Hello Cat
[11:36] Nebadon Izumi: nice
[11:36] dahlia: daTwitch: I dont think it would apply
[11:36] Nebadon Izumi: getting a little slow in here for me
[11:36] Nebadon Izumi: heh of course that comes right through
[11:36] Homer Horwitz: Right, I notice it too.
[11:36] Blaksmith: blah .. viewer crashed
[11:36] PocoLoco Darwin: gotta go RL work,, gonna sit here slumped try to log this meeting til I or wp crashes out
[11:37] paulie Flomar is Online
[11:37] Homer_Horwitz: Hm, in-world chat stopped working for me.
[11:37] infinity linden: cheers PL
[11:37] justincc: ping
[11:37] daTwitch: pong
[11:37] Nebadon Izumi: im still going here, its just slow
[11:37] Blaksmith Rubble is Offline
[11:37] Neas Bade: it's quite slow
[11:37] Nebadon Izumi: we are probably out of ram
[11:37] Teravus Ousley: Disk is probably thrashing
[11:37] Nebadon Izumi: let me look
[11:37] Dahlia Trimble is Offline
[11:37] justincc: yeah, no ping in world though
[11:37] Nebadon Izumi: actually wow
[11:37] Blaksmith Rubble is Online
[11:37] Nebadon Izumi: we arent out of ram
[11:37] justincc: there's still real memory available though
[11:37] Nebadon Izumi: magine that
[11:37] justincc: we're not into swap yet
[11:37] Teravus Ousley: haha
[11:37] Homer Horwitz: Hm.
[11:38] Homer Horwitz: Hey, it works again.
[11:38] Nebadon Izumi: thats fantastic news though
[11:38] daTwitch: thats good and bad.
[11:38] Nebadon Izumi: my hardware payed off
[11:38] Nebadon Izumi: cleaning the sim
[11:38] Nebadon Izumi: hardwork
[11:38] Nebadon Izumi: hehe
[11:38] Nebadon Izumi: lol
[11:38] Nebadon Izumi: i found some kind of orbit thing
[11:38] Nebadon Izumi: at 5000m
[11:38] daTwitch: wb Cat
[11:38] Blaksmith Rubble: yah, prims are missing now ..
[11:38] Nebadon Izumi: it was about a dozen prims
[11:38] dahlia gives up and switches to IRC
[11:38] Fly Man: neb
[11:38] infinity linden: is wright plaza on Leenucks or Windoze?
[11:38] Fly Man: linked prims ?
[11:38] Nebadon Izumi: no just a bunch of peices
[11:38] daTwitch: linux
[11:38] Nebadon Izumi: it was some kind of avatar orbiter
[11:38] infinity linden: ossm
[11:38] Nebadon Izumi: attack weapon
[11:38] justincc: I'd really like to know what was causing those massive sim other and agent times
[11:38] Nebadon Izumi: of some kind
[11:38] Neas Bade: we aren't getting wait time yet
[11:39] Nebadon Izumi: i erased it about 2 days ago
[11:39] Neas Bade: so it's not disk thrashing
[11:39] Charles Krinkeb: I'd also be willing to bet that multiple folks opening the map, inventory or search at the same time cause some interesting la,
[11:39] Nebadon Izumi: but how i found it
[11:39] Nebadon Izumi: it was on top scripts
[11:39] Homer Horwitz: Ah
[11:39] Justin Clark-Casey is Offline
[11:39] Nebadon Izumi: with like 50,000ms response time
[11:39] Nebadon Izumi: lol
[11:39] Teravus Ousley: haha
[11:39] Nebadon Izumi: it may have been there for weeks
[11:39] daTwitch: nice
[11:39] Nebadon Izumi: for all i know
[11:39] Teravus Ousley: yay for top scripts.
[11:39] Fly Man: So Wp isn't crashing that oftern anymore ?
[11:40] Nebadon Izumi: i did a query for anything over 256m
[11:40] Nebadon Izumi: and kille dit all
[11:40] Nebadon Izumi: it was all junk
[11:40] Homer Horwitz: Well, we got a meeting without crash.
[11:40] justincc: yeah, I should think we're pretty vulernalble to scripting
[11:40] Charles Krinkeb: What about my secret laboratory at 314meters?
[11:40] Homer Horwitz: So, I'd say it doesn't crash as often.
[11:40] Nebadon Izumi: yea i think me removing all the timers
[11:40] Fly Man: Homer, a quick Q for you :)
[11:40] Nebadon Izumi: payed off
[11:40] Nebadon Izumi: to atleast get us through a meeting
[11:40] Nebadon Izumi: without too much pain
[11:40] justincc: hmm, I'm not sure that's a total victory seeing as some of us are in IRC :)
[11:40] Nebadon Izumi: yea
[11:40] Nebadon Izumi: but again
[11:40] Nebadon Izumi: we are seeing minute improvements
[11:40] Fly Man: Does the Friends part use the Message server for the online/offline part ?
[11:41] Homer Horwitz: Yes.
[11:41] justincc: really need to get to the bottom of thesee performance issues somehow
[11:41] Fly Man: K
[11:41] Homer Horwitz: Well, in part.
[11:41] paulie Flomar: Howdeh, all. )
[11:41] Teravus Ousley: Yes we also did have a massive slowdown.. and the frame time was pretty much consistantly 4 -12 times what it should be
[11:41] Homer Horwitz: Not for friends online in the same region-server.
[11:41] Nebadon Izumi: but yea performance enhancements would be great
[11:41] Nebadon Izumi: especially login/logout
[11:41] justincc: yeah, I hear you
[11:41] Fly Man: Nebadon, could you do me a favor :p
[11:41] Nebadon Izumi: i can try
[11:41] Nebadon Izumi: hehe
[11:42] Fly Man: Write some news for the loginscreen ;)
[11:42] Fly Man: it still says it's 6709 on the servers
[11:42] daTwitch: ter: deff a rough bug somewhere. What may be of relevance is that the region is periodically running completely out of threads
[11:42] Teravus Ousley: I blame the EventQueue
[11:42] Teravus Ousley: haha
[11:42] Neas Bade: heh
[11:42] daTwitch: it was completed hosed this AM with a message to the effect, citing a potential mutex leak or some similar
[11:42] Nebadon Izumi: 6709?
[11:43] Nebadon Izumi: where?
[11:43] Fly Man: on the loginscreen
[11:43] Charles Krinkeb: How many folks are here, 16?
[11:43] Nebadon Izumi: ??
[11:43] Nebadon Izumi: i dont know where your seeing that
[11:43] alboroque gnu: hola hi everybody
[11:43] Fly Man: 10/9/2008 0030PDT. The UGAIM Servers are running on SVN r6745 Build.
[11:43] Fly Man: that bit
[11:43] dahlia: 16 root agents
[11:43] sacha Magne: 16
[11:43] Fly Man: in the Status window
[11:43] daTwitch: I dont know how the IRC folk count, but there's a good 15-20 of us here as well
[11:43] Nebadon Izumi: 6709?
[11:44] Nebadon Izumi: i dont see what your saying man
[11:44] Fly Man: neb
[11:44] Nebadon Izumi: http://osgrid.org/status
[11:44] Fly Man: Nebadon, the loginscreen.php
[11:44] Nebadon Izumi: clear your cache or something
[11:44] Fly Man: http://osgrid.org/loginscreen.php
[11:44] Fly Man: that part
[11:44] daTwitch snickers
[11:44] Fly Man: look at the right
[11:44] Nebadon Izumi: its said 6745 for weeks man
[11:44] Nebadon Izumi: i dont understand what your saying
[11:44] Fly Man: :p
[11:44] Fly Man: Could you please update it ;)
[11:44] Nebadon Izumi: no
[11:44] Blaksmith Rubble: I see 6745 right now
[11:44] Nebadon Izumi: because its updated
[11:44] Nebadon Izumi: for weeks
[11:44] Nebadon Izumi: lol
[11:44] Fly Man: :P
[11:44] Nebadon Izumi: your cache is not clear
[11:45] Nebadon Izumi: or something
[11:45] Nebadon Izumi: not sure
[11:45] sacha Magne: if your cache is not clear, clear your cahe
[11:45] Teravus Ousley: well, I bet if we reduce the Agent Updates/Sec, it'll also reduce the Sim Tim (Other)
[11:45] sacha Magne: sounds like a motto
[11:45] Nebadon Izumi: i always update the moments after i update the server
[11:45] dahlia: think it's counting twice Ter?
[11:45] Nebadon Izumi: another thing i see
[11:45] Nebadon Izumi: is agent counts
[11:45] Nebadon Izumi: are always wildly off
[11:45] paulie Flomar: CAterina, keep trying the sit. Sometimes it doesnt work the first time. :)
[11:46] Charles Krinkeb: Try sitting on the cushion, Cat.
[11:46] Caterina Farella: always :)
[11:46] Teravus Ousley: when I implemented it.. it wasn't counting twice.. though.. it's been changed a lot now ;D
[11:46] Homer Horwitz: Caterina, and click on the seat first.
[11:46] Nebadon Izumi: root agents and child agent numebrs always off by crazy numbers here
[11:46] Justin Clark-Casey is Online
[11:46] Caterina Farella: ahh ty !
[11:46] Nebadon Izumi: -6 root and 15 child
[11:46] Nebadon Izumi: on stats
[11:47] Neas Bade: heh
[11:47] Nebadon Izumi: but when i do show users full
[11:47] Nebadon Izumi: get zero
[11:47] Homer Horwitz: At least that.
[11:47] Neas Bade: hmmm... that would be good to fix
[11:47] Nebadon Izumi: anyone else seeing things like that?
[11:47] Homer Horwitz: show user full will show the "real" presences it can find.
[11:47] Teravus Ousley: in the simulator statistics in the client I see 16
[11:47] Nebadon Izumi: well not now
[11:47] Blaksmith Rubble: oh well, I"ll just stand .. at least it's not like last week where everyone was bouncing LOL
[11:47] Nebadon Izumi: im just saying as example
[11:47] Nebadon Izumi: i often see numbers like that
[11:47] paulie Flomar: Blaksmith, I stood up. try my couch again.
[11:47] Nebadon Izumi: and there is no one here or in the neighbors
[11:48] paulie Flomar: ah well.
[11:48] Nebadon Izumi: negative root agent counts
[11:48] Nebadon Izumi: and wildy high child counts
[11:48] Blaksmith Rubble: oh well, no big deal hehe
[11:48] paulie Flomar: heh
[11:48] Nebadon Izumi: i see it in windows and linux
[11:48] Justin Clark-Casey: maybe if I stand still I'll be ableto survive
[11:49] Nebadon Izumi: so seems unlikely to be a result of mono
[11:49] Teravus Ousley: ah.. well, the count there doesn't update itself consistantly. It adds one and removes one from a counter.. so the person working on the add and remove code needs to ensure that they update that counter.
[11:49] SachaMagne: i hope it's the same person
[11:49] Neas Bade: yep
[11:50] Nebadon Izumi: ok
[11:50] paulie Flomar: ...
[11:50] paulie Flomar: afk for a bit...will read backscroll...
[11:50] Nebadon Izumi: sean those scripts dont work to good here on wright plaza
[11:50] Simulator Version v0.4b shouts: OpenSimulator Server 0.5.11.6993 (OS Fedora Core release 6 (Zod)
Kernel \r on an \) ChilTasks:True PhysPrim:False on Mono 2.0
[11:50] Nebadon Izumi: i think timers are one of the major issues we have here
[11:50] Fly Man: But some update on the Search
[11:51] Fly Man: All plaza's are now running Search
[11:51] Blaksmith Rubble: I know this is kinda off-topic .. .but does anyone have a good link on installing / compiling the ODE physics? I have a machine that just doesn't want to install them properly
[11:51] Nebadon Izumi: i think its the source for one of our biggest memory leaks
[11:51] Nebadon Izumi: our timer scripts in mono
[11:51] Fly Man: thanks to Nebadon that set all the nice places in Search now :)
[11:51] Charles Krinkeb: ode.org, Blaksmith
[11:51] Blaksmith Rubble: thanks charles
[11:51] Nebadon Izumi: yea if you type plaza
[11:51] Nebadon Izumi: "plaza"
[11:51] sacha Magne: Timers are widely used :/
[11:51] Nebadon Izumi: in the search for places
[11:51] Nebadon Izumi: you will see many results
[11:52] Charles Krinkeb: also, Blaksmith, talk to us on IRC on FreeNode on the #opensim channel.
[11:52] daTwitch: How do we know that the new search module isnt causing some of these issues? Last I knew, agent counts reported by the clietn were quite accurate
[11:52] Teravus Ousley: well, also remember that we have our own home brew ODE running: http://opensimulator.org/wiki/PhysicsEngines
[11:52] Teravus Ousley: Some tweaks for stability
[11:52] Nebadon Izumi: on wright plaza dawtich
[11:52] BlueWall Slade is Offline
[11:52] Nebadon Izumi: its been this way for months
[11:52] Nebadon Izumi: agent counts are never right ever
[11:52] Nebadon Izumi: then it goes off kilter some where
[11:52] Nebadon Izumi: only 1st few logins
[11:52] daTwitch: they were the last meeting I attended prior to the hurricane
[11:53] Neas Bade is Offline
[11:53] BlueWall Slade is Online
[11:53] Nebadon Izumi: i dont have an exact date, but that was quite a while back
[11:53] Nebadon Izumi: they were so bad
[11:53] Nebadon Izumi: if i recall the last meeting or 2 before hurricaine were failures
[11:53] daTwitch: ok, I mainly just wanted to establish that at some time not terrribly long ago, they were accurate
[11:53] Nebadon Izumi: we dont even have logs for them
[11:53] Nebadon Izumi: yea oh it worked at some point
[11:54] daTwitch: yeah, there were a couple bumpy ones in there
[11:54] paulie Flomar: ON the sobject of ODE, I just wanted to give props. Our ODE seems good enough that I may be able to make my physical pinball table with the 27 millimeter ball. :)
[11:54] Nebadon Izumi: no doubt
[11:54] daTwitch: maybe thats when it started
[11:54] Nebadon Izumi: thats good paulie, my tests have not been so good
[11:54] Nebadon Izumi: and try again
[11:54] Blaksmith Rubble: heh yah, I flew over your pinball machine yesterday .. looks cool
[11:54] Nebadon Izumi: everythings so explosive now it seems
[11:54] Nebadon Izumi: but i need to shut off the filter
[11:55] dahlia: where's the pinball machine? I want to see it
[11:56] nebadon: heh im frozen now
[11:56] nebadon: not sure if im dead or not
[11:56] justincc: ping
[11:56] alboroque gnu: me too
