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[2014/11/04 10:52]  Nebadon Izumi: hello Marcus
 
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[2014/11/04 10:52]  vegaslon.plutonian @vegaslon.ddns.net:9000: they are coming
 
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[[Category:Office Hour Logs]]

Latest revision as of 14:39, 25 October 2015

[2014/11/04 10:31]  Connecting to in-world Voice Chat...
[2014/11/04 10:52]  Nebadon Izumi: hello Marcus
[2014/11/04 10:52]  vegaslon.plutonian @vegaslon.ddns.net:9000: they are coming
[2014/11/04 10:52]  Marcus Llewellyn: Heya Neb :)
[2014/11/04 10:53]  Nebadon Izumi: hey Vegaslon
[2014/11/04 10:53]  vegaslon.plutonian @vegaslon.ddns.net:9000: hey
[2014/11/04 10:53]  Marcus Llewellyn: Hey jcc :)
[2014/11/04 10:53]  Nebadon Izumi: hey Justin
[2014/11/04 10:53]  Justin Clark-Casey: hey folks
[2014/11/04 10:53]  vegaslon.plutonian @vegaslon.ddns.net:9000: wow that airship is nice
[2014/11/04 10:53]  Nebadon Izumi: why dont you unpack that osgrid avatar i sent you
[2014/11/04 10:53]  Nebadon Izumi: and then put staff shirt on with that avatar
[2014/11/04 10:53]  Justin Clark-Casey: one moment, want to check console stuff
[2014/11/04 10:53]  Nebadon Izumi: ok
[2014/11/04 10:53]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002 is Online
[2014/11/04 10:53]  Marcus Llewellyn: He's got a new shirt on. That's like... amazing progress right there! ;)
[2014/11/04 10:53]  Nebadon Izumi: lol
[2014/11/04 10:54]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002 is Online
[2014/11/04 10:54]  Marcus Llewellyn: Hey Blue
[2014/11/04 10:54]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: Hello
[2014/11/04 10:54]  Justin Clark-Casey: hi bluewall
[2014/11/04 10:54]  Justin Clark-Casey: neb: will some users of the conference grid have scripts in their attachments active?
[2014/11/04 10:55]  Nebadon Izumi: only local users in presenters group
[2014/11/04 10:55]  Nebadon Izumi: everyone else will not be able to run scripts
[2014/11/04 10:55]  Justin Clark-Casey: ok. But they will also run on keynotes?
[2014/11/04 10:55]  Nebadon Izumi: who?
[2014/11/04 10:55]  Nebadon Izumi: presenters?
[2014/11/04 10:55]  Justin Clark-Casey: yes
[2014/11/04 10:55]  Nebadon Izumi: only presenters group members with presenters group active can
[2014/11/04 10:55]  vegaslon.plutonian @vegaslon.ddns.net:9000: the streaming team has camera huds?
[2014/11/04 10:55]  Nebadon Izumi: make sure you activate Presenters
[2014/11/04 10:55]  Nebadon Izumi: no need to have staff active anymore
[2014/11/04 10:56]  Marcus Llewellyn: Streaming team is part of the Presenters group.
[2014/11/04 10:56]  Nebadon Izumi: yes vegaslon
[2014/11/04 10:56]  Nebadon Izumi: we have an awesome hud this year
[2014/11/04 10:56]  Justin Clark-Casey: did you rez zomsthing a mionute ago?
[2014/11/04 10:56]  Nebadon Izumi: it will be available to everyone as a freebie
[2014/11/04 10:56]  Nebadon Izumi: no
[2014/11/04 10:56]  Nebadon Izumi: havent rezzed anythining since ive been here
[2014/11/04 10:56]  vegaslon.plutonian @vegaslon.ddns.net:9000: better then that bojan hud?
[2014/11/04 10:57]  Nebadon Izumi: not sure what Bojan hud is
[2014/11/04 10:57]  vegaslon.plutonian @vegaslon.ddns.net:9000: bijocam
[2014/11/04 10:57]  Nebadon Izumi: actually justin
[2014/11/04 10:57]  Nebadon Izumi: oh nevermind i fixed it
[2014/11/04 10:57]  Nebadon Izumi: last week this region was set so anyone could run scripts
[2014/11/04 10:57]  Nebadon Izumi: either I or Fleep turned that off
[2014/11/04 10:57]  Nebadon Izumi: so nevermind :)
[2014/11/04 10:58]  Justin Clark-Casey: did you move cache for this region as well or just keynotes?
[2014/11/04 10:58]  Nebadon Izumi: just Keynotes
[2014/11/04 10:58]  Justin Clark-Casey: ok
[2014/11/04 10:58]  Nebadon Izumi: we could clear this region cache
[2014/11/04 10:58]  Nebadon Izumi: right now if you want
[2014/11/04 10:58]  Justin Clark-Casey: no don't worry
[2014/11/04 10:58]  Nebadon Izumi: ok
[2014/11/04 10:58]  Justin Clark-Casey: hmm actually, if it's very simple might as well
[2014/11/04 10:58]  Nebadon Izumi: ok
[2014/11/04 10:58]  Nebadon Izumi: 1 sec
[2014/11/04 10:58]  Nebadon Izumi: we should all rebake once im done
[2014/11/04 10:59]  Mata Hari: @Neb, came across another instance of the "denied" teleport like the one you and I experienced but it was apparently because the other *grid* cached my old port number so it was trying to connect to 10000 instead of 9100 in spite of the map search being correct
[2014/11/04 10:59]  Nebadon Izumi: ok everyone rebake
[2014/11/04 10:59]  Justin Clark-Casey: can oscc vip run attachment scripts?
[2014/11/04 10:59]  Nebadon Izumi: no
[2014/11/04 10:59]  Justin Clark-Casey: ok because it appears to be happening
[2014/11/04 10:59]  Mata Hari: when the user at that end did console unlink aine.x64.me:10000 it cleared it from the grid's cache and he was able to tp
[2014/11/04 10:59]  Nebadon Izumi: where?
[2014/11/04 10:59]  Justin Clark-Casey: if you look a bit furthe rup in console, I think scripts in mata hari's objects
[2014/11/04 11:00]  Mata Hari: that was between Seth's standalone and mine
[2014/11/04 11:00]  Nebadon Izumi: scripts alwaysn compile
[2014/11/04 11:00]  Nebadon Izumi: but they dont run
[2014/11/04 11:00]  Justin Clark-Casey: garter chain, pony tail
[2014/11/04 11:00]  Justin Clark-Casey: don't we expect to see yellow warnings when they don't run? I see that elsewhere
[2014/11/04 11:00]  Nebadon Izumi: not that i recall
[2014/11/04 11:00]  Mata Hari: oh yes, I have a couple scripts in what I'm wearing...sorry
[2014/11/04 11:00]  Justin Clark-Casey: mata: do you know if they are working right now?
[2014/11/04 11:00]  Nebadon Izumi: when you have it so only group can run scripts
[2014/11/04 11:00]  Nebadon Izumi: no errors should be generated
[2014/11/04 11:00]  Mata Hari: let me check
[2014/11/04 11:00]  Nebadon Izumi: that would be insanity
[2014/11/04 11:00]  Mata Hari: nope, they aren't
[2014/11/04 11:00]  Justin Clark-Casey: I have definitely seen errors though for taht kind of thing
[2014/11/04 11:01]  Justin Clark-Casey: ok
[2014/11/04 11:01]  Nebadon Izumi: yes
[2014/11/04 11:01]  Alicia.Raven @grid.spellscape.co.uk: hello :)
[2014/11/04 11:01]  Justin Clark-Casey: maybe it was for local avatars only...
[2014/11/04 11:01]  Justin Clark-Casey: hi alicia
[2014/11/04 11:01]  Nebadon Izumi: its probably when a HG user tries to rez a scripted object
[2014/11/04 11:01]  Justin Clark-Casey: ah... mata isn't hg!
[2014/11/04 11:01]  Nebadon Izumi: i dont think attachments fail the same way
[2014/11/04 11:01]  Mata Hari: in this case I'm on local account
[2014/11/04 11:01]  Justin Clark-Casey: mata: did you log in directly here?
[2014/11/04 11:01]  Mata Hari: yes
[2014/11/04 11:01]  Justin Clark-Casey: ok good, that explains what I#'m seeing
[2014/11/04 11:01]  Nebadon Izumi: Mata probably has god powers
[2014/11/04 11:01]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: hi all
[2014/11/04 11:01]  Mata Hari: I parked myself here earlier in the day
[2014/11/04 11:02]  Nebadon Izumi: level 100
[2014/11/04 11:02]  Mata Hari: then logged in directly
[2014/11/04 11:02]  Justin Clark-Casey: Seeing console messages I would only expect for a direct login :)
[2014/11/04 11:02]  Justin Clark-Casey: ok, cool
[2014/11/04 11:02]  Mata Hari: kk...glad mystery is solved
[2014/11/04 11:02]  Andrew Hellershanks is Online
[2014/11/04 11:02]  Nebadon Izumi: you guys see the OpenSim blimp circling us?
[2014/11/04 11:03]  Mata Hari: at any rate, why does the grid need to cache (permanently) the IP and port that someone tped to in the past?
[2014/11/04 11:03]  vegaslon.plutonian @vegaslon.ddns.net:9000: yes it is very nice
[2014/11/04 11:03]  Nebadon Izumi: thats one of the MetaQuest prizes :)
[2014/11/04 11:03]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: now i see
[2014/11/04 11:03]  Marcus Llewellyn: Nifty :)
[2014/11/04 11:03]  Mata Hari: or, if it needs to cache it, does that cache *have* to be pulled and overide a current tp attempt?
[2014/11/04 11:03]  Nebadon Izumi: http://conference.opensimulator.org/2014/program/openmetaquest/
[2014/11/04 11:03]  Nebadon Izumi: hello Andrew and Jak
[2014/11/04 11:04]  Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002 is Online
[2014/11/04 11:04]  Justin Clark-Casey: mata: cached where, in a landmark?
[2014/11/04 11:04]  Andrew Hellershanks: wow. This region rezzed a lot faster than it usually does when I HG TP to here.
[2014/11/04 11:04]  Jak Daniels: Hi
[2014/11/04 11:04]  Justin Clark-Casey: hi jak
[2014/11/04 11:04]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: its fast with hg todo to
[2014/11/04 11:04]  Mata Hari: let me check which table it's in
[2014/11/04 11:04]  Andrew Hellershanks: Hello everyone
[2014/11/04 11:04]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: hi andrew
[2014/11/04 11:04]  Justin Clark-Casey: or perhaps in a griduser table?
[2014/11/04 11:04]  Nebadon Izumi: cool Richardus, better than normal?
[2014/11/04 11:04]  Marcus Llewellyn: I think a night of dining and dancing with Nebadon should be one of the prizes. >:)
[2014/11/04 11:05]  Nebadon Izumi: lol
[2014/11/04 11:05]  Andrew Hellershanks: What are you trying to findinone of the tables?
[2014/11/04 11:05]  Justin Clark-Casey: lol marcus
[2014/11/04 11:05]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: hmm.. its hard to say. last time i popped late in when it where more full
[2014/11/04 11:05]  Justin Clark-Casey: perhaps if you cover your travel expesnes ;)
[2014/11/04 11:05]  Justin Clark-Casey: and buy the dinner ;)
[2014/11/04 11:05]  Mata Hari: the taqble is regions
[2014/11/04 11:05]  Nebadon Izumi: as long as its sushi and break dancing im game
[2014/11/04 11:05]  Marcus Llewellyn: In world, of course. lol
[2014/11/04 11:05]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: it feeled faster
[2014/11/04 11:05]  Justin Clark-Casey: mata: oh right, you mean hg link caching
[2014/11/04 11:05]  Mata Hari: yes
[2014/11/04 11:05]  Nebadon Izumi breaks out the cardboard matt
[2014/11/04 11:05]  Mata Hari: and it's persists forever
[2014/11/04 11:05]  Justin Clark-Casey: mata: possibly taht's a an implementation weakness
[2014/11/04 11:06]  Mata Hari: so it you attempt to tp there after a port change it will fail
[2014/11/04 11:06]  Justin Clark-Casey nods
[2014/11/04 11:06]  Justin Clark-Casey: yeah, soujnds like we should really clean them up
[2014/11/04 11:06]  Mata Hari: it requires a console unlink command to remove it
[2014/11/04 11:06]  Mata Hari: yes
[2014/11/04 11:06]  Mata Hari: maybe only allow it to persist until shutdown?
[2014/11/04 11:06]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: did you drop prims there?
[2014/11/04 11:06]  Mata Hari: no
[2014/11/04 11:06]  Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002 is Online
[2014/11/04 11:06]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: ok
[2014/11/04 11:07]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: Is there some teleport device with your region on it there?
[2014/11/04 11:07]  Mata Hari: I have OSCC entries in that table for my HG account, for instance
[2014/11/04 11:07]  Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: hi
[2014/11/04 11:07]  Mata Hari: nope
[2014/11/04 11:07]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: ok
[2014/11/04 11:07]  Mata Hari: all it takes is tping there
[2014/11/04 11:07]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: hi
[2014/11/04 11:07]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: Hi Dahlia
[2014/11/04 11:08]  Mata Hari: the strange thing is it only happens with certain destinations
[2014/11/04 11:08]  Mata Hari: I've tped to a dozen different regions in Metro and there's no Metro entry
[2014/11/04 11:08]  Justin Clark-Casey: yes, hypergrid linking inserts an entry
[2014/11/04 11:08]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: I have a region that I have teleported out of that has no other regionslisted.
[2014/11/04 11:08]  Mata Hari: but I have 2 entries for OSCC
[2014/11/04 11:08]  Mata Hari: and 1 for AVW
[2014/11/04 11:08]  Justin Clark-Casey: I would guess as an effective cache so that there isn't repeated lookup, though I doubt it makes a huge difference with all the other requests....
[2014/11/04 11:08]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: maybe it was restarted since then
[2014/11/04 11:09]  Mata Hari: it's been restarted dozens of times since the last time I tped to OSCC
[2014/11/04 11:09]  Justin Clark-Casey: the entries are identical?
[2014/11/04 11:09]  Mata Hari: it persists permanently
[2014/11/04 11:09]  Mata Hari: 55a5b0cf-9d1d-4f30-8dcf-b25de6eeae69 1367792464953344 http://cc.opensimulator.org:8002/ temp1 7975857349740800 cc.opensimulator.org 0 http://cc.opensimulator.org:8002/
[2014/11/04 11:09]  Justin Clark-Casey: those are entries to two different sims
[2014/11/04 11:09]  Justin Clark-Casey: regions
[2014/11/04 11:10]  Mata Hari: those recods have been there for a couple months at least
[2014/11/04 11:10]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: happens sometimes, after a while a double HG dissapears
[2014/11/04 11:10]  Mata Hari: yes...that's in regions table
[2014/11/04 11:10]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: hmm
[2014/11/04 11:10]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: the region I just came here from has a linked region
[2014/11/04 11:10]  Mata Hari: and if you ever changed port I would never be able to tp until I delete those entries
[2014/11/04 11:10]  Justin Clark-Casey: yes, those entries should not persist
[2014/11/04 11:11]  Mata Hari: so for average use that could be something of an issue
[2014/11/04 11:11]  Justin Clark-Casey: I kind of doubt their value tbh but don't fully know the itnernals
[2014/11/04 11:11]  Justin Clark-Casey: I know there was also an option to peramentnly link a region
[2014/11/04 11:11]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: not sure if avarage user is going to use linmk. not see much in link still for myself
[2014/11/04 11:11]  Andrew Hellershanks: brb... cat is making a fuss
[2014/11/04 11:11]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: Maybe that is is jcc - I loose them over time, or restarts here
[2014/11/04 11:11]  Justin Clark-Casey: link came from the early hypergrid days
[2014/11/04 11:11]  Mata Hari: I have never linked to OSCC
[2014/11/04 11:11]  Mata Hari: yet there are 2 entries there
[2014/11/04 11:12]  Justin Clark-Casey: I would think entires get inserted on tp
[2014/11/04 11:12]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: Mata - did you do a map search for it?
[2014/11/04 11:12]  Mata Hari: so something else is triggering it being storec
[2014/11/04 11:12]  Justin Clark-Casey: you do not need to explicitly link
[2014/11/04 11:12]  Mata Hari: yes, that was map search
[2014/11/04 11:12]  Justin Clark-Casey: yeah, map serach probably does it
[2014/11/04 11:12]  Justin Clark-Casey: I have such entries myself
[2014/11/04 11:12]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: ok, there should be a link there
[2014/11/04 11:12]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: a map search will link a region
[2014/11/04 11:12]  Mata Hari: it needs to not persist beyond perhaps sim restart
[2014/11/04 11:12]  Justin Clark-Casey: and I have never explicitly created a link
[2014/11/04 11:12]  Mata Hari: if that url changes it's a problem
[2014/11/04 11:13]  Justin Clark-Casey: sure
[2014/11/04 11:13]  Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: I notice when I log into my own grid, then teleport here, then go back to my own grid I cant use the map to teleport to any other regions on my grid
[2014/11/04 11:13]  Mata Hari: not that it happens all that often, but it does happen (particularly with smaller HG standalone installs)
[2014/11/04 11:13]  Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: it says something like invalid regions
[2014/11/04 11:13]  Mata Hari: yes
[2014/11/04 11:13]  Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: I need to relog to get it to work
[2014/11/04 11:13]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: I havent' seen that
[2014/11/04 11:13]  Mata Hari: it thinks you're still in OSCC
[2014/11/04 11:13]  Andrew Hellershanks is back
[2014/11/04 11:13]  Mata Hari: you have to relog to clear that
[2014/11/04 11:14]  Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: but the map is my grid
[2014/11/04 11:14]  Mata Hari: yeah...it's bizarre
[2014/11/04 11:14]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: ok , I just restarted the region I came here from - no linked regions
[2014/11/04 11:14]  Nebadon Izumi: wait is the problem you have a persistant hypergrid link on map search?
[2014/11/04 11:14]  Mata Hari: I've encountered that though, but not enough to reliably reproduce it
[2014/11/04 11:14]  Nebadon Izumi: are you running Divas Distro and Wifi?
[2014/11/04 11:14]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: So, there is somehting you are doing different to make them persist
[2014/11/04 11:15]  Justin Clark-Casey: I thoguht just tp would get them to persist.....
[2014/11/04 11:15]  Nebadon Izumi: perhaps you made a hard Hypergrid link with Wifi
[2014/11/04 11:15]  Nebadon Izumi: no
[2014/11/04 11:15]  Justin Clark-Casey: although there's also a possibilty that a region crash might fail to clean them up or something...
[2014/11/04 11:15]  Nebadon Izumi: if you restart region they get cleared
[2014/11/04 11:15]  Nebadon Izumi: but
[2014/11/04 11:15]  Justin Clark-Casey: I didn't think tht was the case though
[2014/11/04 11:15]  Nebadon Izumi: you can program hard HG links in via Divas wifi
[2014/11/04 11:15]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: map search, osTeleportAgent, Picks, landmarks
[2014/11/04 11:15]  Nebadon Izumi: those never go away
[2014/11/04 11:15]  Justin Clark-Casey: right, though I have link entries and I never constructed such hard links
[2014/11/04 11:15]  Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: Nebadon, I'm running core opensim, not diva
[2014/11/04 11:15]  Mata Hari: Neb...if you changed the OSCC to port 9002 at some point in the future I would not be able to tp to anywhere in OSCC until I delete all references from that table that contain the old port
[2014/11/04 11:15]  Nebadon Izumi: what table?
[2014/11/04 11:16]  Mata Hari: regions
[2014/11/04 11:16]  Nebadon Izumi: map search entries dont get stored
[2014/11/04 11:16]  Nebadon Izumi: so not sure what you mean
[2014/11/04 11:16]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: Mata , do you have some setting in your ini to persist them?
[2014/11/04 11:16]  Justin Clark-Casey: it's happening somehow sometimes, I've got them myself
[2014/11/04 11:16]  Mata Hari: afaik, no
[2014/11/04 11:16]  Nebadon Izumi: even after a restart?
[2014/11/04 11:16]  Mata Hari: and I only have 3 entries
[2014/11/04 11:16]  Justin Clark-Casey: yes
[2014/11/04 11:16]  Nebadon Izumi: odd
[2014/11/04 11:16]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: They go away here after I restart my rtegion
[2014/11/04 11:16]  Nebadon Izumi: ive never experienced that
[2014/11/04 11:16]  Mata Hari: Seth (who had the issue) checked and had 50+ entires in there
[2014/11/04 11:16]  Justin Clark-Casey: this is on the service console
[2014/11/04 11:17]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: region console
[2014/11/04 11:17]  Mata Hari: maybe a race condition causes it not to clear when it should?
[2014/11/04 11:17]  Nebadon Izumi: a restart should clear it though
[2014/11/04 11:17]  Mata Hari: nope
[2014/11/04 11:17]  Nebadon Izumi: then its not a race condition
[2014/11/04 11:17]  Mata Hari: or not reliably anyway
[2014/11/04 11:17]  Nebadon Izumi: those should only be in memory
[2014/11/04 11:17]  Nebadon Izumi: i dont think they get stored in the db
[2014/11/04 11:17]  Nebadon Izumi: do they?
[2014/11/04 11:17]  Justin Clark-Casey: who knows. WIthout looking it's pointless guesswork
[2014/11/04 11:17]  Mata Hari nods
[2014/11/04 11:18]  Mata Hari: I have not made a tp to OSCC since the last time I restarted my sim and I have both entries still there
[2014/11/04 11:18]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: should look in your ini to see if you are persisting the links
[2014/11/04 11:18]  Mata Hari: so they're persisting over a restart
[2014/11/04 11:18]  Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: this in regards to the verify identity issue on HG jumps?
[2014/11/04 11:18]  Mata Hari: yes
[2014/11/04 11:19]  Mata Hari: it says unable to verify identity and refuses the tp
[2014/11/04 11:19]  Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: om the .8.0.2 release
[2014/11/04 11:19]  Mata Hari: and that's even if you're map searching the correct port
[2014/11/04 11:19]  Nebadon Izumi: maybe its something with friends list
[2014/11/04 11:19]  Nebadon Izumi: honestly changing your port is bad
[2014/11/04 11:19]  Nebadon Izumi: if your hypergrid
[2014/11/04 11:19]  Nebadon Izumi: i dont know how we could get around that
[2014/11/04 11:19]  Nebadon Izumi: without weaking security considerably
[2014/11/04 11:20]  Nebadon Izumi: allowing port change means you cant spoof check
[2014/11/04 11:20]  Justin Clark-Casey: theproblem is persisted links
[2014/11/04 11:20]  Mata Hari: I change my port because several grids just rejected my inbound tp from 10000
[2014/11/04 11:20]  Nebadon Izumi: yea
[2014/11/04 11:20]  Mata Hari: whereas they take it from 9100
[2014/11/04 11:20]  Justin Clark-Casey: on the web it's not such an issuein a way, it's not quite so critical if a link breaks
[2014/11/04 11:20]  Nebadon Izumi: that is another really wierd issue
[2014/11/04 11:20]  Nebadon Izumi: the 10000 problem
[2014/11/04 11:20]  Mata Hari: so if that problem didn't exist I wouldn't have changed port and wiped my friends list
[2014/11/04 11:20]  Nebadon Izumi: well
[2014/11/04 11:21]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: didn't we say last week that that is probably some internal ISP issue?
[2014/11/04 11:21]  Mata Hari: however....
[2014/11/04 11:21]  Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: 10000 problem?
[2014/11/04 11:21]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: yes
[2014/11/04 11:21]  Nebadon Izumi: well we were guessing
[2014/11/04 11:21]  Nebadon Izumi: we dont know for sure what the problem is
[2014/11/04 11:21]  Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: it is something with .8.0.1
[2014/11/04 11:21]  Mata Hari: if you set up 2 standalones in the same server, one using 9100 and one using 9200, it can also cause problems
[2014/11/04 11:21]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: The only way to rule it out would be to ask them, I guess.
[2014/11/04 11:21]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: people still use 0.8.0.1 ?
[2014/11/04 11:22]  Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: metro
[2014/11/04 11:22]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: hmm, how is that Mata?
[2014/11/04 11:22]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: oh. always use plain opensim
[2014/11/04 11:22]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: I run several grid, standalones here somethines in the same box.
[2014/11/04 11:22]  Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: and jumping from there to a grid on .8.0.1 doesnt generate the error in my testing
[2014/11/04 11:22]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: so metro is useing a bad version with permission problem on inventory give.
[2014/11/04 11:22]  Mata Hari: there are a scary number of people still using 0.7.6 because HG stiff was a lot less broken in it (friends worked, groups worked, etc)
[2014/11/04 11:22]  Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: to .8.0.2 i mean
[2014/11/04 11:23]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: im running 0.8.0.2
[2014/11/04 11:23]  Nebadon Izumi: really?
[2014/11/04 11:23]  Nebadon Izumi: HG in 0.7.6 was worthless to me
[2014/11/04 11:23]  Mata Hari: most of the new HG bugs introduced since 0.7.6 are still there
[2014/11/04 11:23]  Nebadon Izumi: so frustrating
[2014/11/04 11:23]  Mata Hari: I agress
[2014/11/04 11:23]  Nebadon Izumi: not sure how anyone could say its better
[2014/11/04 11:23]  Mata Hari: but there are a lot of people out there using it
[2014/11/04 11:24]  Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: and the ripping off of all attachments is a rewal pain
[2014/11/04 11:24]  Justin Clark-Casey: HG worked best in opensim 0.4
[2014/11/04 11:24]  Justin Clark-Casey: I swear
[2014/11/04 11:24]  Marcus Llewellyn: There will always be people unwilling to change their old, familiar bugs for new ones. New bugs means "broken", while old bugs means business as usual.
[2014/11/04 11:24]  Nebadon Izumi: lol
[2014/11/04 11:24]  Nebadon Izumi: ya there were no HG bugs in 0.4 at all :P
[2014/11/04 11:24]  Mata Hari: some of the most basic aspects of HG definitely worked better in 0.7.6
[2014/11/04 11:24]  Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: just TP ones?
[2014/11/04 11:24]  Mata Hari: friends worked
[2014/11/04 11:24]  Nebadon Izumi: no HG didnt exist in 0.4 lol
[2014/11/04 11:24]  Justin Clark-Casey: it was all better in the old days
[2014/11/04 11:25]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: i dont want to HG with 0.,7.6
[2014/11/04 11:25]  Marcus Llewellyn: We barely had physics in 0.4 ;)
[2014/11/04 11:25]  Andrew Hellershanks: hehe
[2014/11/04 11:25]  Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: i know but tp's were the precursor
[2014/11/04 11:25]  Mata Hari: but other stuff is vastly improved
[2014/11/04 11:25]  Nebadon Izumi: all i remember from back then
[2014/11/04 11:25]  Nebadon Izumi: was everyone was gas clouds
[2014/11/04 11:25]  Mata Hari: hehe...yes
[2014/11/04 11:25]  Nebadon Izumi: so good luck wiht 0.7.6
[2014/11/04 11:25]  Nebadon Izumi: lol
[2014/11/04 11:25]  Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: OpenSim -0.1 had absolutly no bugs but I don't use it any more
[2014/11/04 11:25]  Marcus Llewellyn: Bullet has been a very hard sell for me with some people unwilling to upgrade. They don't want all their old vehicle scripts broken.
[2014/11/04 11:25]  Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: ahh the good ol days when we sat in Lbsa plaza wagering whether the plaza would crash in 5 minutes or 15 ;)
[2014/11/04 11:26]  Nebadon Izumi: i think most people are just either to scared to upgrade afraid to break it
[2014/11/04 11:26]  Nebadon Izumi: or just being lazy
[2014/11/04 11:26]  Andrew Hellershanks: How about the days where prims > 10m on a side came with built-in trampolines
[2014/11/04 11:26]  Justin Clark-Casey: ode exists just as it did in 0.8.*
[2014/11/04 11:26]  Alicia.Raven @grid.spellscape.co.uk: some people keep to 0.7.6 because of vehicals, they made their scripts to handle the bugs and are angry that those bugs got fixed and broke their scripts
[2014/11/04 11:26]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: lol
[2014/11/04 11:26]  Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: well partly too with the breaking of megas
[2014/11/04 11:26]  Justin Clark-Casey: yeah. YOu're damned if you fix bugsand damned if you don't sometimes :)
[2014/11/04 11:26]  Mata Hari: they want it (ODE) in larger regions so also means they're sticking to megas
[2014/11/04 11:26]  Justin Clark-Casey: and then ppl want you to support everything for ever
[2014/11/04 11:26]  Marcus Llewellyn: Yup, but just having bullet there puts a few off. Don't ask me to explain why, cuz I ca't.
[2014/11/04 11:26]  Justin Clark-Casey: even hacks like megas
[2014/11/04 11:26]  Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: there's also a lot of rumors floating around about various versions
[2014/11/04 11:26]  Alicia.Raven @grid.spellscape.co.uk: makes me annoyed that people dont upgrade lol
[2014/11/04 11:26]  Nebadon Izumi: yea im not buying the ODE argument
[2014/11/04 11:26]  vegaslon.plutonian @vegaslon.ddns.net:9000: ya like the whole sitting bugs
[2014/11/04 11:26]  Nebadon Izumi: ODe was a mess
[2014/11/04 11:26]  Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: fixing one bug so often creates another
[2014/11/04 11:27]  Andrew Hellershanks: or stops hiding another
[2014/11/04 11:27]  Nebadon Izumi: again laziness
[2014/11/04 11:27]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: But, the rumors - do they make reports?
[2014/11/04 11:27]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: wedll, someday its bye bye with mega's i guess
[2014/11/04 11:27]  Nebadon Izumi: people not wanting to upgrade their scripts
[2014/11/04 11:27]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: var better
[2014/11/04 11:27]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: Any debugging efforts?
[2014/11/04 11:27]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: Patches?
[2014/11/04 11:27]  Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: not wanting Meb or not knowing how
[2014/11/04 11:27]  Justin Clark-Casey: to be fair, the reports also pile up :)
[2014/11/04 11:27]  Marcus Llewellyn: What I hear most is, "I like the old way."
[2014/11/04 11:27]  Nebadon Izumi: ya megas are dead
[2014/11/04 11:27]  Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: Neb^
[2014/11/04 11:27]  Justin Clark-Casey: THere are more than enough actualo
[2014/11/04 11:28]  Justin Clark-Casey: more tan enough actually reported bugs to deal with
[2014/11/04 11:28]  Marcus Llewellyn: And if they're hanging onto old viewers, it gets even worse.
[2014/11/04 11:28]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: If things are improved, then it breaks something else, sticking back is bad
[2014/11/04 11:28]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: Justin, do you not mis the old paper reports and the paper schredder ? :)
[2014/11/04 11:28]  Mata Hari: and dogs eating reports :p
[2014/11/04 11:28]  Nebadon Izumi: well holding back development because people are death clutching scripts that were never 100% anyway
[2014/11/04 11:28]  Nebadon Izumi: its just not going to happen
[2014/11/04 11:28]  Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: I liked megas, They had their benefits
[2014/11/04 11:28]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: i hate ode
[2014/11/04 11:28]  Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: me too
[2014/11/04 11:28]  Justin Clark-Casey: to be fair, I don't think they hold back dev... you just get people complaining
[2014/11/04 11:28]  Marcus Llewellyn: Megas are awesome, until they're not. ;)
[2014/11/04 11:29]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: Mata - the persisted hypergrid links, I cann't see any settings in the ini yet fore those
[2014/11/04 11:29]  Justin Clark-Casey: which is part and parcel of writing any used open-source project, unfortunately
[2014/11/04 11:29]  Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: there are some things which work better in ode
[2014/11/04 11:29]  Justin Clark-Casey: yeah, physiocs engine are complex
[2014/11/04 11:29]  Nebadon Izumi: right im not saying they do hold us back
[2014/11/04 11:29]  Mata Hari: nor can I...I just went through my ini and didn't see anything
[2014/11/04 11:29]  Justin Clark-Casey: and the integration of such with other code
[2014/11/04 11:29]  Nebadon Izumi: but they act as if moving forward has ruined opensimulator
[2014/11/04 11:29]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: what about var regions and parcel data. i hear thats a bit buggy ? already fixt ?
[2014/11/04 11:29]  Nebadon Izumi: not a good way to convince me personally
[2014/11/04 11:29]  Justin Clark-Casey: heh
[2014/11/04 11:29]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: You shold look for the same behavior in a bare region
[2014/11/04 11:29]  Justin Clark-Casey: yes, there are always such people I think
[2014/11/04 11:30]  Marcus Llewellyn: Bullet still needs a lot of adjustment We went through this back inthe day with ODE too. My feet are funkly. I ain't colliding right. I can't walk up tha hill. etc.
[2014/11/04 11:30]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: Start looking for things that might cause them to persist.
[2014/11/04 11:30]  Justin Clark-Casey: but there always free to fork if they can't persuade why such and such a thing is bad
[2014/11/04 11:30]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: justin physics engines are complex because you need to be compatroible with a not own made viewer
[2014/11/04 11:30]  Justin Clark-Casey: there isn't really a loc of interaction of physics with a viewer
[2014/11/04 11:30]  Justin Clark-Casey: it's more compatibility with the sl environment
[2014/11/04 11:30]  Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: Justin, they usually arent coders
[2014/11/04 11:30]  Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: ahh the "fork em'" argument :)
[2014/11/04 11:30]  Justin Clark-Casey: right, so what's the answer?
[2014/11/04 11:31]  Justin Clark-Casey: people they don't pay should work for them for free?
[2014/11/04 11:31]  Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002 ignores most of it
[2014/11/04 11:31]  Marcus Llewellyn: It's physics behavior that's tricky, and the viewer doesn't influence that a lot, I don't think.
[2014/11/04 11:31]  Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: some measure of backwards compatibility?
[2014/11/04 11:31]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: We def. have greater advantage if we move ahead together
[2014/11/04 11:31]  Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: better documentation of whats being moved to?
[2014/11/04 11:31]  Justin Clark-Casey: arielles; and so there is. It won't be perfect
[2014/11/04 11:32]  Mata Hari: just shut down the simulator and those entries are still there
[2014/11/04 11:32]  vegaslon.plutonian @vegaslon.ddns.net:9000: does not help much that some people want to start what is basically a Opensimulator owners union
[2014/11/04 11:32]  Justin Clark-Casey: arielle: again, you're asking for things tha trequire money and effort
[2014/11/04 11:32]  Nebadon Izumi: Mata that is strange
[2014/11/04 11:32]  Nebadon Izumi: we should mention this to diva
[2014/11/04 11:32]  Nebadon Izumi: let me see if she is alive
[2014/11/04 11:33]  Marcus Llewellyn: BTW, I think I have an idea on why OSCC staff has to keep reattaching HUDs on teleport. The changed event simply doesn't appear to be firing in HUDs or attachmets when I teleport.
[2014/11/04 11:33]  Nebadon Izumi: Mata your a standalone right?
[2014/11/04 11:33]  Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: well maybe we will see something from this grid owner association
[2014/11/04 11:33]  Nebadon Izumi: maybe this is something with standalones only
[2014/11/04 11:33]  Mata Hari: yes
[2014/11/04 11:33]  Nebadon Izumi: which would be why i never experineced it
[2014/11/04 11:33]  Justin Clark-Casey: I think such a group is a great idea
[2014/11/04 11:33]  Nebadon Izumi: ive never setup a HG standalone ever
[2014/11/04 11:33]  Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: i seen it in grid mode Neb
[2014/11/04 11:33]  Nebadon Izumi: oh hmm
[2014/11/04 11:33]  Nebadon Izumi: strange ive never experienced it
[2014/11/04 11:33]  Mata Hari: and after restarting the sim, they're still there too
[2014/11/04 11:33]  Justin Clark-Casey: my system is in grid mode too
[2014/11/04 11:33]  Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: did a lot of testing back and forth with great canadian grid
[2014/11/04 11:34]  Nebadon Izumi: to be honest
[2014/11/04 11:34]  Nebadon Izumi: i dont HG much
[2014/11/04 11:34]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: Same here, i think standalone robvust configs would be better
[2014/11/04 11:34]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: I'll setup a standalone to test it
[2014/11/04 11:34]  Mata Hari: with OSG down I'm HGing *everywhere
[2014/11/04 11:34]  Nebadon Izumi: but you think id have had it happen once at least
[2014/11/04 11:34]  vegaslon.plutonian @vegaslon.ddns.net:9000: ya catching alot of bugs in my standalone, but can not be sure they are not something wrong with my configuration
[2014/11/04 11:34]  Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: GCG finally got the issue resolved
[2014/11/04 11:34]  Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: ya Im HGing a lot with osgrid down also
[2014/11/04 11:34]  Nebadon Izumi: what was it Arielle?
[2014/11/04 11:35]  Mata Hari: I couldn't get to GCG when I was on port 10000.,...as soon as I changed to port 9100 it worked like a charm
[2014/11/04 11:35]  Mata Hari: did with Neb
[2014/11/04 11:35]  Mata Hari: *ditto
[2014/11/04 11:35]  Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: url's....no ip# but hostnames and had to be consistent across gridcommon and robust
[2014/11/04 11:35]  Nebadon Izumi: oh yea
[2014/11/04 11:35]  Nebadon Izumi: thats a deal breaker for sure
[2014/11/04 11:35]  Justin Clark-Casey: that doesn't surprise me at all
[2014/11/04 11:35]  Nebadon Izumi: because of the HG spoof checking
[2014/11/04 11:36]  Nebadon Izumi: has to be consistent or checks fail
[2014/11/04 11:36]  Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: maybe a little too secure?
[2014/11/04 11:36]  Nebadon Izumi: ya right
[2014/11/04 11:36]  Nebadon Izumi: thats like saying im just going to leave my safe full of diamons open just a little
[2014/11/04 11:36]  Marcus Llewellyn: I'll watch em >:)
[2014/11/04 11:36]  Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: well enough security it will bvreak all connections
[2014/11/04 11:37]  Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: has to be a balance
[2014/11/04 11:37]  Justin Clark-Casey sincerely hopes nobody has a diamond-valued region
[2014/11/04 11:37]  Nebadon Izumi: no
[2014/11/04 11:37]  Mata Hari: @Bluewall...restarted sim and table entries still there so they aren't being cleared on restart either....and they were there prior to me making my most recent build
[2014/11/04 11:37]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: Nah, you can keep it closed nebadon. but keep the key in :)
[2014/11/04 11:37]  Nebadon Izumi: proper fix is set up your grid right
[2014/11/04 11:37]  Nebadon Izumi: i dont understand why people ask us to program around other peoples mistakes
[2014/11/04 11:37]  Justin Clark-Casey: in some cases, the failure also needs to eb clearer though
[2014/11/04 11:37]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: maybe we can move to something like OAuth2 at some point
[2014/11/04 11:37]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: use tokens
[2014/11/04 11:37]  Nebadon Izumi: ya thats true for sure
[2014/11/04 11:37]  Justin Clark-Casey: opensim can definitely be improved to catch some config errors earlier
[2014/11/04 11:38]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: ++
[2014/11/04 11:38]  Nebadon Izumi: but you cant lessen security checks because things arent easy to setup either
[2014/11/04 11:38]  Andrew Hellershanks: Justin, yes, That's been a complaint of mine for agse.
[2014/11/04 11:38]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: ++++
[2014/11/04 11:38]  Justin Clark-Casey: nebadon: ++
[2014/11/04 11:38]  Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: well then Neb maybe if you and Justin were willing to look at issues beyong Osgrid, there might be some answers
[2014/11/04 11:38]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: it takes a certain skillset
[2014/11/04 11:38]  Mata Hari: yes....just catch bad set-ups ieadlly
[2014/11/04 11:38]  Nebadon Izumi: no response from diva
[2014/11/04 11:38]  Nebadon Izumi: she must be afk
[2014/11/04 11:38]  Justin Clark-Casey: andrew: at the same time, this is incredibly complex software. I highly doubt it will ever be an easy setup
[2014/11/04 11:38]  Justin Clark-Casey: arielle: what are you talking about?
[2014/11/04 11:38]  Nebadon Izumi: i'll ask her when i can
[2014/11/04 11:39]  Nebadon Izumi: if i remember, but i suggest you speak with diva
[2014/11/04 11:39]  Andrew Hellershanks: Justin, One thing I havethought about is validating DB connection strings when first encountered to avoid something failing later on that needs the connection.
[2014/11/04 11:39]  Nebadon Izumi: to find the cause of this persistent link problem
[2014/11/04 11:39]  Andrew Hellershanks: Justin, no but there may be some basic sanity checks that can be added
[2014/11/04 11:39]  Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: several grids are or have been experiencing the identity issue since the .8.,0.2 release
[2014/11/04 11:39]  Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: something changed
[2014/11/04 11:40]  Mata Hari nods
[2014/11/04 11:40]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: are both sides at 0.8.0.2 ?
[2014/11/04 11:40]  Mata Hari: I never experienced this at all until the last 3 months
[2014/11/04 11:40]  Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: not necessarily
[2014/11/04 11:40]  Mata Hari: but I wasn't using HG heavily prior to that
[2014/11/04 11:40]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: that can be the problem
[2014/11/04 11:40]  Nebadon Izumi: i dont think ive ever seen that problem not turn out to be a misconfiguration
[2014/11/04 11:40]  Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: I am on osgrid release from august
[2014/11/04 11:40]  Nebadon Izumi: but if there is that should definitely be discussed
[2014/11/04 11:41]  Nebadon Izumi: it may be that the checks were not as good in 0.7.6
[2014/11/04 11:41]  Nebadon Izumi: but i cant say for sure
[2014/11/04 11:41]  Nebadon Izumi: so much has happened since then
[2014/11/04 11:41]  Mata Hari: I brought up the issue several times but the first time it got really looked at was that Sunday afternoon Neb and I spent trying to figure out why he couldn't get to me
[2014/11/04 11:41]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: unable to verify error is most some config error sofar i remember, seen it in the past. but not HG much
[2014/11/04 11:41]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002 is Online
[2014/11/04 11:42]  Nebadon Izumi: yea same here Richardus
[2014/11/04 11:42]  Nebadon Izumi: its soo easy to mistype something accidetly
[2014/11/04 11:42]  Nebadon Izumi: even if you think its right
[2014/11/04 11:42]  Nebadon Izumi: ive looked over inis 20 times
[2014/11/04 11:42]  Nebadon Izumi: only to have justin or dan look
[2014/11/04 11:42]  Nebadon Izumi: and instantly see a mistake
[2014/11/04 11:42]  Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: in this case the configs were brought over from either .8.0.1 or .8.1 and they didnt work
[2014/11/04 11:42]  Alicia.Raven @grid.spellscape.co.uk: i know of one popular grid that has the HG friends service behind the firewall, cant remember which one now
[2014/11/04 11:42]  Marcus Llewellyn: I've had HG TP issues, but restarting the instance I was trying to TP from cleared it up.
[2014/11/04 11:42]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: sometimes the difference in slash or no slash can make or break it in url
[2014/11/04 11:43]  Justin Clark-Casey: heh, hg friends behind a firewall won't do youmuch good
[2014/11/04 11:43]  Nebadon Izumi: ya there is always the case that a region is in a bad state
[2014/11/04 11:43]  Nebadon Izumi: and could cause these kind of spurious errors
[2014/11/04 11:43]  Nebadon Izumi: but those wouldnt be consistently happening i suspect
[2014/11/04 11:43]  Alicia.Raven @grid.spellscape.co.uk: yea, they have 300+ active users so im shocked at them making a mistake like that with config
[2014/11/04 11:43]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: http://cc.opensimulator.org:8002/ keynote 1 b320e7ca-7525-447d-b8bd-e75458711b67 13998,0 256x256 RegionOnline, NoDirectLogin, Hyperlink
[2014/11/04 11:43]  Mata Hari: another fun one is being able to tp to a region in Metro from 1 of my regions but not from a different one of my regions
[2014/11/04 11:43]  Nebadon Izumi: thats what was happening to me with the port 10000 issue Mata
[2014/11/04 11:44]  Nebadon Izumi: 100% exactly
[2014/11/04 11:44]  Justin Clark-Casey: alica: tbh, I'm not that surprised, hypergrid is a super-new concept
[2014/11/04 11:44]  Mata Hari: yet from that desination region I can tp back to either of them
[2014/11/04 11:44]  Andrew Hellershanks: Mata, that sounds like a difference in configuration between the two regions
[2014/11/04 11:44]  Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: uhm yes since .6.9?
[2014/11/04 11:44]  Justin Clark-Casey: I myself spent a lot of yesterday probing and reading code in that area and extending osme of the wiki pages
[2014/11/04 11:44]  Nebadon Izumi: nice
[2014/11/04 11:44]  Mata Hari: nope...the 2 regions are identical
[2014/11/04 11:44]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: i think you can configure HG in robust to only allow it from some regions
[2014/11/04 11:44]  Nebadon Izumi: that may be your problem too Mata
[2014/11/04 11:44]  Mata Hari: except UUID and the port
[2014/11/04 11:44]  Andrew Hellershanks: Mata, then the other option is firewall
[2014/11/04 11:44]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: ok, I have the region linked after a restart on standalone
[2014/11/04 11:44]  Nebadon Izumi: dupilcate port
[2014/11/04 11:44]  Nebadon Izumi: the duplicate UDP port problem
[2014/11/04 11:45]  Nebadon Izumi: nightmare
[2014/11/04 11:45]  Mata Hari: nope, checked that
[2014/11/04 11:45]  Nebadon Izumi: duplicate uuids
[2014/11/04 11:45]  Nebadon Izumi: thats also a problem
[2014/11/04 11:45]  Nebadon Izumi: ive done that so many times myself
[2014/11/04 11:45]  Nebadon Izumi: reuse a uuid
[2014/11/04 11:45]  Mata Hari: UUID is unique, port is unique, all else identical
[2014/11/04 11:45]  Nebadon Izumi: and takes me forever to figure out whats happening
[2014/11/04 11:45]  Andrew Hellershanks: What part of the system will catch and report duplicate UUIDs?
[2014/11/04 11:45]  Nebadon Izumi: i dont think any Andrew
[2014/11/04 11:45]  Justin Clark-Casey: for hypergrid links?
[2014/11/04 11:45]  Nebadon Izumi: not in terms of region uuid
[2014/11/04 11:45]  Nebadon Izumi: anyway
[2014/11/04 11:45]  Marcus Llewellyn: It's just not supposed to happen. :)
[2014/11/04 11:45]  Nebadon Izumi: also
[2014/11/04 11:46]  Nebadon Izumi: region overlap with HG
[2014/11/04 11:46]  Nebadon Izumi: is that still a problem
[2014/11/04 11:46]  Justin Clark-Casey: I expectso
[2014/11/04 11:46]  Nebadon Izumi: if you try to hg to a region thats on 1000,1000
[2014/11/04 11:46]  Andrew Hellershanks: Marcus, it isn't supposed to happen, but sh*t does. :)
[2014/11/04 11:46]  Mata Hari: my guess is there's something about the port that the destination region doesn't like
[2014/11/04 11:46]  Nebadon Izumi: from a region thats on 1000,1000
[2014/11/04 11:46]  Nebadon Izumi: that used to fail
[2014/11/04 11:46]  Justin Clark-Casey: this stuff is built on hacks
[2014/11/04 11:46]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: I don't think so
[2014/11/04 11:46]  Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: havent seen it in a long time
[2014/11/04 11:46]  Nebadon Izumi: ok
[2014/11/04 11:46]  Nebadon Izumi: i cant remember if we fixed that
[2014/11/04 11:46]  Justin Clark-Casey: I am guessing though, perhaps that is fixed
[2014/11/04 11:46]  Nebadon Izumi: but
[2014/11/04 11:46]  Nebadon Izumi: people running 0.7.6
[2014/11/04 11:46]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: lol Jcc - heritic :D
[2014/11/04 11:46]  Nebadon Izumi: that could be a problem
[2014/11/04 11:46]  Justin Clark-Casey: I'm still only atht overview stage of a lot of HG, not the full guts
[2014/11/04 11:47]  Nebadon Izumi: brb i need water!
[2014/11/04 11:47]  Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: Diva not active atm with HG?
[2014/11/04 11:48]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: Mata - the Hg regions are persisted in Standalones for some reason
[2014/11/04 11:48]  Mata Hari: the other one I find baffling is I see a ton og messages in console relating to HG friends logging in and out and sending notices and yet maybe only 10% of those actually get sent to my viewer
[2014/11/04 11:48]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: Hg friends is a little Wonky yet
[2014/11/04 11:48]  Mata Hari: yeps
[2014/11/04 11:49]  Mata Hari: those things *did* work under 0.7.6...they got broken ~19 months ago
[2014/11/04 11:49]  Alicia.Raven @grid.spellscape.co.uk: yep, i cant make friends on this grid lol they vanish after i log out
[2014/11/04 11:49]  Marcus Llewellyn: If a HG friend sends me inventory, the viewer never tells me so. It just appears in inventory without a peep.
[2014/11/04 11:49]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: It doesn't sho wDahlia online at all and she's right here
[2014/11/04 11:49]  Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: is there some way of transferring friends to a fresh database?
[2014/11/04 11:49]  Nebadon Izumi: back
[2014/11/04 11:49]  Nebadon Izumi: diva is working on a new viewer
[2014/11/04 11:49]  Nebadon Izumi: beleive it or not
[2014/11/04 11:49]  Justin Clark-Casey: new from scratch?
[2014/11/04 11:49]  Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: for opensim?
[2014/11/04 11:49]  Nebadon Izumi: no
[2014/11/04 11:49]  Nebadon Izumi: fork of Singualrity
[2014/11/04 11:50]  Nebadon Izumi: with a very stripped down interface
[2014/11/04 11:50]  Marcus Llewellyn: For Encitra?
[2014/11/04 11:50]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: Dahlia, what version of opensim do you use ?
[2014/11/04 11:50]  Nebadon Izumi: that you can program from the grid
[2014/11/04 11:50]  Nebadon Izumi: Primarily for Encitra yes
[2014/11/04 11:50]  Justin Clark-Casey: fork as a testbed? I think she hopes to get any change back into singu
[2014/11/04 11:50]  Nebadon Izumi: but will be available to everyone
[2014/11/04 11:50]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: that is cool
[2014/11/04 11:50]  Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: I use recent git master
[2014/11/04 11:50]  Nebadon Izumi: no this is going to be something completely new you havent seen before
[2014/11/04 11:50]  Justin Clark-Casey: there are alot of hg improvements I think you could make if the viewer can be changed
[2014/11/04 11:50]  Mata Hari: I bet
[2014/11/04 11:50]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: because it works fine HG friends
[2014/11/04 11:50]  Nebadon Izumi: we called it "OnLook" veieer
[2014/11/04 11:50]  Nebadon Izumi: its going to be strictly a viewer
[2014/11/04 11:50]  Nebadon Izumi: no build tools
[2014/11/04 11:51]  Justin Clark-Casey nods
[2014/11/04 11:51]  Nebadon Izumi: whats cool though is that the grid can define menus and UI
[2014/11/04 11:51]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: Tourist viewer
[2014/11/04 11:51]  Nebadon Izumi: even on the region level
[2014/11/04 11:51]  Nebadon Izumi: you can TP do diifferent region and get different menu
[2014/11/04 11:51]  Mata Hari: if the viewer and asset server could handle some things directly instead of having everything proxied via the region I suspect that would help in a lot of areas
[2014/11/04 11:51]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: That will be pretty nice
[2014/11/04 11:51]  Marcus Llewellyn: Using the veiwer gui XML?
[2014/11/04 11:51]  Nebadon Izumi: i asked for even having different menus depending on your user level
[2014/11/04 11:51]  Nebadon Izumi: should be interesting
[2014/11/04 11:51]  Mata Hari: or inventory server, or login server
[2014/11/04 11:51]  Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: I would have thought she would consider starting from a LGPL codebase
[2014/11/04 11:52]  Marcus Llewellyn: The LL viewer is LGPL.
[2014/11/04 11:52]  Mata Hari: it would also really cut down on the region's traffic
[2014/11/04 11:52]  Nebadon Izumi: i think its about availality of developers willing to work with her
[2014/11/04 11:52]  Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: Singu is GPL
[2014/11/04 11:52]  Nebadon Izumi: neither of us like Firestorm
[2014/11/04 11:52]  Marcus Llewellyn: Ohh... didn't know they stuck with old license.
[2014/11/04 11:52]  Justin Clark-Casey: it's always about dev availablility
[2014/11/04 11:52]  Justin Clark-Casey: if there was a lot of that we wouldn't constant have mata and arielle complaining :)
[2014/11/04 11:52]  Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: they have no choice
[2014/11/04 11:52]  Mata Hari: lol
[2014/11/04 11:52]  Nebadon Izumi: we need a viewer that works
[2014/11/04 11:53]  Mata Hari complains about the lack of devs
[2014/11/04 11:53]  Nebadon Izumi: the license should be sufficient
[2014/11/04 11:53]  Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: me? complain??? persih the thouight ;)
[2014/11/04 11:53]  Justin Clark-Casey: lol
[2014/11/04 11:53]  Mata Hari: should I Mantis that?
[2014/11/04 11:53]  Justin Clark-Casey: maybe not
[2014/11/04 11:53]  Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: define "works"
[2014/11/04 11:53]  Nebadon Izumi: meets our needs
[2014/11/04 11:53]  Nebadon Izumi: hehe
[2014/11/04 11:53]  Marcus Llewellyn complains about modern medicine;s lack of focus on cloning more developers.
[2014/11/04 11:53]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: opensim 0.1 dod work to :)
[2014/11/04 11:53]  Mata Hari: pander to me, damn it!
[2014/11/04 11:53]  Mata Hari: :p
[2014/11/04 11:53]  Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: if they met your needs you wouldnt need to fork
[2014/11/04 11:53]  Justin Clark-Casey: HG improvwements do need to happen, and I hope to finally get some time after the conf
[2014/11/04 11:54]  Justin Clark-Casey: I'm just 100%ed out at the moment
[2014/11/04 11:54]  Mata Hari: understandably
[2014/11/04 11:54]  Justin Clark-Casey: it's a super complex system, painfully so
[2014/11/04 11:54]  Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: i realize the challenges with HG is that for a long time Diva was the only dev familiar with it and she is now onto other projects
[2014/11/04 11:54]  Nebadon Izumi: well heck
[2014/11/04 11:54]  Nebadon Izumi: we are working on HG today
[2014/11/04 11:54]  Nebadon Izumi: arent we?
[2014/11/04 11:55]  Justin Clark-Casey: yes, I made an HG related change
[2014/11/04 11:55]  Nebadon Izumi: its not like no one is working on it
[2014/11/04 11:55]  Justin Clark-Casey: to do with attachments, but don't get excited
[2014/11/04 11:55]  Nebadon Izumi: heh ya
[2014/11/04 11:55]  Nebadon Izumi: still we are working on trying to improve it
[2014/11/04 11:55]  Justin Clark-Casey: I have been forced to work on it ;)
[2014/11/04 11:55]  Justin Clark-Casey: but I do see it as important
[2014/11/04 11:55]  Nebadon Izumi: not saying we actually have
[2014/11/04 11:55]  Nebadon Izumi: we'll know shortly :)
[2014/11/04 11:55]  Marcus Llewellyn: remove al attachments. Problem solved. :)
[2014/11/04 11:55]  Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: you need some attachments Justin to test it? I have some skirts and high eels and primmy hair :)
[2014/11/04 11:55]  Alicia.Raven @grid.spellscape.co.uk: any plans to fix the export flag?
[2014/11/04 11:55]  Nebadon Izumi: we have been using my aliens
[2014/11/04 11:55]  Nebadon Izumi: those things are horrible
[2014/11/04 11:56]  Nebadon Izumi: why i never shared them
[2014/11/04 11:56]  Nebadon Izumi: accept with the devs
[2014/11/04 11:56]  Nebadon Izumi: maybe one day :)
[2014/11/04 11:56]  Justin Clark-Casey: alicia: eventually...
[2014/11/04 11:56]  Justin Clark-Casey: arielle: yes, would be good at some stage
[2014/11/04 11:56]  Justin Clark-Casey: arielle: though my main priority is to prevent possible overload of keynotes in the conf
[2014/11/04 11:56]  Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: nods
[2014/11/04 11:56]  Mata Hari nods
[2014/11/04 11:57]  Justin Clark-Casey: that was the casue of one of my changes today but it's not yet complete - ti's still vulnerable to someone's bad asset service
[2014/11/04 11:57]  Justin Clark-Casey: bad as in performing badly
[2014/11/04 11:57]  Mata Hari: there seems to be an awful lot of stuff that has to get sent before the HG tp is allowed to happen and a very short window of time to do it
[2014/11/04 11:57]  Justin Clark-Casey: but it should improve attachments over hg in the long run, though I don't yet understand why the existing reported issues occur
[2014/11/04 11:57]  Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: agrees with Mata
[2014/11/04 11:58]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: in standalone, the lHg linked regions are getting written to the grid';s regions table;
[2014/11/04 11:58]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: that is why they are persisted - that should not happen
[2014/11/04 11:58]  Mata Hari: yet that stuff still gets received because when you make attempt #2 it's instant
[2014/11/04 11:58]  Justin Clark-Casey: mata: the change I made might help actually
[2014/11/04 11:58]  Nebadon Izumi: but why would it happen in grid mode
[2014/11/04 11:58]  Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: and funny thing is that it has more to do with receiving destinations resources then the sending
[2014/11/04 11:58]  Nebadon Izumi: it definitely should never happen in grid mode
[2014/11/04 11:58]  Justin Clark-Casey: though it might also mean right at this second that attachments take longer to appear
[2014/11/04 11:58]  Mata Hari: @Bluewall...good to know it wasn't a config error at my end
[2014/11/04 11:58]  Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: a lot of jumps require 2 tries
[2014/11/04 11:58]  Nebadon Izumi: actually
[2014/11/04 11:59]  Nebadon Izumi: by defaul
[2014/11/04 11:59]  Mata Hari: @Justin....that's fine
[2014/11/04 11:59]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: Mata - this is only on standalone, right?
[2014/11/04 11:59]  Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: first send attachments, second the avatar
[2014/11/04 11:59]  Nebadon Izumi: OPenSimulator is configured to not have a regions table in Standalone
[2014/11/04 11:59]  Nebadon Izumi: you have to manually turn that one
[2014/11/04 11:59]  Mata Hari: I have no problem at all waiting for my junk to catch up to me if I can get tehre
[2014/11/04 11:59]  Nebadon Izumi: that may be why that bug slipped in
[2014/11/04 11:59]  Nebadon Izumi: its not common that people turn that on
[2014/11/04 11:59]  Mata Hari: @Blue: as far as I know, yes
[2014/11/04 11:59]  Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: Mata, it used to be like that but then was changed
[2014/11/04 11:59]  Nebadon Izumi: but in grid mode
[2014/11/04 11:59]  Justin Clark-Casey: mata: yeah, that's kind of what I'mdoing
[2014/11/04 11:59]  Justin Clark-Casey: but for other reasons initially
[2014/11/04 11:59]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: it has a regions table
[2014/11/04 11:59]  Nebadon Izumi: there should be no possible way to store HG links in robust
[2014/11/04 11:59]  Nebadon Izumi: and have them persisit
[2014/11/04 11:59]  Mata Hari: think that makes sense
[2014/11/04 11:59]  Nebadon Izumi: without divas wifi
[2014/11/04 12:00]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: each service has it's data
[2014/11/04 12:00]  Mata Hari: you can then throttle it too, to help spread out region load
[2014/11/04 12:00]  Justin Clark-Casey: yes, I needed to do it for throttling reasons
[2014/11/04 12:00]  Mata Hari: but that only works if you allow the entity transfer to finish fast
[2014/11/04 12:00]  Justin Clark-Casey: offload the incoming requests to a separate queue and not served by the samed thread they rode in on
[2014/11/04 12:00]  Mata Hari: then let the rest catch up
[2014/11/04 12:00]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: In my mind, I thin kthat you should be able to make a perm. link in the grid console.
[2014/11/04 12:00]  Nebadon Izumi: ya im sure bandwidth and server resources do play somewhat of a role in that Mata
[2014/11/04 12:01]  Justin Clark-Casey: the trobule is when you offload ot a queue you need to do a bunch of complex work to avoid issues when some asset services are slow, etc.
[2014/11/04 12:01]  Nebadon Izumi: i imagine the problem gets especially worse when 2 regions have not so great internet speeds
[2014/11/04 12:01]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: But, map, profile, landmark, scripted links should not persist.
[2014/11/04 12:01]  Justin Clark-Casey: which is stuff I really didn't want to do this late but don't have much choice now
[2014/11/04 12:01]  Justin Clark-Casey: anyway, it's load test time
[2014/11/04 12:01]  Nebadon Izumi: indeed it is
[2014/11/04 12:01]  Marcus Llewellyn: Whee!
[2014/11/04 12:01]  Mata Hari: while you're doing that , could you also move local inventory fetch on login into a separate thread too
[2014/11/04 12:01]  Nebadon Izumi: all my bots are in and ready :)
[2014/11/04 12:01]  Nebadon Izumi: im only doing 48 today
[2014/11/04 12:01]  Alicia.Raven @grid.spellscape.co.uk: time to go poke the servers with a big stick?
[2014/11/04 12:01]  Justin Clark-Casey: nebadon@ yeah slow speed is a killer too, esp with super-complex attachments
[2014/11/04 12:01]  Nebadon Izumi: trying to not destroy my internet
[2014/11/04 12:01]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: Time, to run. need todo other things. bye
[2014/11/04 12:02]  Nebadon Izumi: see you at load test
[2014/11/04 12:02]  Nebadon Izumi: heading over
[2014/11/04 12:02]  Justin Clark-Casey: ok, going over
[2014/11/04 12:02]  Mata Hari: it's still extremely common to utterly destroy a region's performance with a direct login where inventory fetch hangs
[2014/11/04 12:02]  Mata Hari: I see it all the time in Metro
[2014/11/04 12:02]  Region found!
[2014/11/04 12:02]  Region found!
[2014/11/04 12:02]  Teleport completed from https://opensimcc/region/Staff%20Zone%201/139/56/85
[2014/11/04 12:02]  Marcus Llewellyn: I can hear you Chris
[2014/11/04 12:02]  Ai Austin: I have voice from you yes
[2014/11/04 12:02]  Seth.Nygard @snpcgrid.strangled.net:9000: I can hear you
[2014/11/04 12:02]  Nebadon Izumi: i dont hear anyone
[2014/11/04 12:02]  Sine Whatever: I hear you
[2014/11/04 12:02]  Nebadon Izumi: can you guys hear me?
[2014/11/04 12:03]  Jak Daniels: Yep, I hear you
[2014/11/04 12:03]  Ai Austin: yes Fleep I hear you and see green bars
[2014/11/04 12:03]  Fleep Tuque: I don't hear Neb
[2014/11/04 12:03]  Gavin Hird: can't hear anything
[2014/11/04 12:03]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002 is Online
[2014/11/04 12:03]  Sine Whatever: don't hear Neb though
[2014/11/04 12:03]  Justin Clark-Casey: I appear to have lost the voice lottery today
[2014/11/04 12:03]  Fleep Tuque: All Neb's bots take up the spaces
[2014/11/04 12:03]  Fleep Tuque: that's my guess
[2014/11/04 12:03]  Justin Clark-Casey: oh, I know why.....
[2014/11/04 12:03]  Nebadon Izumi: my bots dont have voice
[2014/11/04 12:03]  Justin Clark-Casey: I didn't plug in my headset, possible
[2014/11/04 12:03]  Justin Clark-Casey: though I guess it shoudl work anyway
[2014/11/04 12:03]  Nebadon Izumi: radegast cant do voice
[2014/11/04 12:03]  Nebadon Izumi: it wont even try
[2014/11/04 12:03]  Fleep Tuque: Well when there were only like 6 nonbot people here, only two of us had voice
[2014/11/04 12:03]  Mata Hari waves to Seth
[2014/11/04 12:03]  Justin Clark-Casey: brb
[2014/11/04 12:04]  Andrew Hellershanks: Yes
[2014/11/04 12:04]  Fleep Tuque: weird!
[2014/11/04 12:04]  Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net prepares a lolcube invasion....
[2014/11/04 12:04]  Fleep Tuque: no
[2014/11/04 12:04]  Fleep Tuque: right
[2014/11/04 12:05]  Your clothing is still downloading.
[2014/11/04 12:06]  Jak Daniels: just right
[2014/11/04 12:06]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002 is Online
[2014/11/04 12:06]  Esparanza Freese: fine to me
[2014/11/04 12:06]  Kayaker Magic: You are just right!
[2014/11/04 12:06]  Fred.Appleby @hg.viewtwo.net:8654: little quiet for me
[2014/11/04 12:06]  Andrew Hellershanks is Online
[2014/11/04 12:06]  Ai Austin: if it goes red bars that overdriving
[2014/11/04 12:06]  Connecting to in-world Voice Chat...
[2014/11/04 12:06]  Seth.Nygard @snpcgrid.strangled.net:9000: I would say just right volume
[2014/11/04 12:06]  Connected
[2014/11/04 12:07]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002 is Online
[2014/11/04 12:07]  Andrew Hellershanks: I hear Justin
[2014/11/04 12:07]  Ai Austin: level is good Justin
[2014/11/04 12:07]  Andrew Hellershanks: I think I have to turn Justin up a touch
[2014/11/04 12:07]  Nebadon Izumi: i just logged out and back in
[2014/11/04 12:07]  Nebadon Izumi: and eveyronen is a gas cloud
[2014/11/04 12:07]  Andrew Hellershanks: yea, Justin is in red for me but I do hear him
[2014/11/04 12:07]  Nebadon Izumi: that is not good
[2014/11/04 12:07]  Ada Radius: me too, no joy on Talk
[2014/11/04 12:07]  Be Austin: Yes
[2014/11/04 12:08]  Fleep Tuque: Neb are you hearding audio?
[2014/11/04 12:08]  Jens Olsen: ok
[2014/11/04 12:08]  Andrew Hellershanks: I hear Marcus
[2014/11/04 12:08]  Nebadon Izumi: nope
[2014/11/04 12:08]  Fleep Tuque: We can hear you
[2014/11/04 12:08]  Fleep Tuque: Hm
[2014/11/04 12:08]  Ai Austin: is that American?
[2014/11/04 12:08]  Ai Austin: :-)
[2014/11/04 12:08]  Fleep Tuque shrugs.
[2014/11/04 12:08]  Nebadon Izumi: voice is dead
[2014/11/04 12:08]  Fleep Tuque: I dunno what.
[2014/11/04 12:08]  Nebadon Izumi: im just going to disable it for now
[2014/11/04 12:08]  Fleep Tuque: ok
[2014/11/04 12:08]  Jens Olsen: perfect
[2014/11/04 12:08]  Marcus Llewellyn: VIvox is just picking on you. ;)
[2014/11/04 12:08]  Nebadon Izumi: somehting is very wrong here
[2014/11/04 12:08]  Nebadon Izumi: is see 100% gas clouds
[2014/11/04 12:08]  Andrew Hellershanks: Only 36 people here so it isn't the 50 avatar limit
[2014/11/04 12:08]  Nebadon Izumi: i see maybe 5 avatars
[2014/11/04 12:08]  Justin Clark-Casey: I see everyone fine
[2014/11/04 12:08]  Fleep Tuque: Might be taking a min to load? I see everyone fine as well
[2014/11/04 12:09]  Nebadon Izumi: i saw everyone fine until i relogged
[2014/11/04 12:09]  Marcus Llewellyn: Yeah... somthing is really wrong on your wne, Neb
[2014/11/04 12:09]  Nebadon Izumi: then i came back to 100% gas clouds
[2014/11/04 12:09]  Marcus Llewellyn: end*
[2014/11/04 12:09]  Myron Curtis: I still don't hear anyone.
[2014/11/04 12:09]  Fleep Tuque: In fact, no gas clouds at all on K1
[2014/11/04 12:09]  Ai Austin: some hippos gatecrashed the meeting at the back!
[2014/11/04 12:09]  Jens Olsen: ok
[2014/11/04 12:09]  Mata Hari: I wonder if many of the HG friends issues I have reported are also Standalone-only issues like the persist one is
[2014/11/04 12:09]  Ai Austin: I hear Fleep still in UK
[2014/11/04 12:09]  Andrew Hellershanks: did you hear anyone just now, Myron?
[2014/11/04 12:09]  Myron Curtis: are we using inworld voice, or Skype?
[2014/11/04 12:09]  Ai Austin: No Andrew
[2014/11/04 12:09]  Justin Clark-Casey: in world voice but we aren't using this for conf
[2014/11/04 12:09]  Justin Clark-Casey: mostly precistely because of these issues
[2014/11/04 12:09]  Myron Curtis: ok thanks
[2014/11/04 12:10]  Ai Austin: ah sorry Andrew, I thought you wee asking if you could be heard
[2014/11/04 12:10]  Andrew Hellershanks: Umm... skype for the conference? That will be for the presenters to use and it will be funneled through the region stream?
[2014/11/04 12:10]  Fleep Tuque: Yes
[2014/11/04 12:10]  Justin Clark-Casey: yes
[2014/11/04 12:10]  Marcus Llewellyn: Exactly.
[2014/11/04 12:10]  Myron Curtis: FreeSWITCH?
[2014/11/04 12:10]  Fleep Tuque: There will be no local voice, it will be disabled
[2014/11/04 12:10]  Ai Austin: Fleep only talklng in last 60 seconds
[2014/11/04 12:10]  Andrew Hellershanks: ok
[2014/11/04 12:10]  Justin Clark-Casey: freeswtich works with vivox's slvoice.exe, which won't provide a good codec to any non-vivox server
[2014/11/04 12:10]  Andrew Hellershanks: Makes sense to disable inworld voice
[2014/11/04 12:10]  Ai Austin: Myron, Neb said it was Vivox free setup
[2014/11/04 12:10]  Justin Clark-Casey: very poor quality voice
[2014/11/04 12:11]  Myron Curtis: ok
[2014/11/04 12:11]  strannik.zipper @piratesatoll.com: time for the sims to dump vivox and get mumble
[2014/11/04 12:11]  Nebadon Izumi: ok
[2014/11/04 12:11]  Marcus Llewellyn: The conference is in 4 days. We're using Skype. lol
[2014/11/04 12:11]  Nebadon Izumi: cleared viewer cahce
[2014/11/04 12:11]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: Vivox is a hack
[2014/11/04 12:11]  Ai Austin: I got voice here good quality today
[2014/11/04 12:11]  Nebadon Izumi: no i see everyone
[2014/11/04 12:11]  Nebadon Izumi: now*
[2014/11/04 12:11]  Nebadon Izumi: i had a bunch of hung slvoice.exe
[2014/11/04 12:11]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: it would be a great choice if it wer used correctly - like SMS
[2014/11/04 12:11]  Nebadon Izumi: trying to enable voice again
[2014/11/04 12:11]  Andrew Hellershanks: yes
[2014/11/04 12:11]  Ai Austin: Yes
[2014/11/04 12:11]  Mata Hari: yeps
[2014/11/04 12:11]  Ai Austin: and Justin
[2014/11/04 12:11]  Val Buss: yes
[2014/11/04 12:11]  Fleep Tuque: We are
[2014/11/04 12:11]  Andrew Hellershanks: I hear two new(?) people
[2014/11/04 12:12]  Fleep Tuque: and you still aren't hearing us
[2014/11/04 12:12]  Fleep Tuque: :)
[2014/11/04 12:12]  Ai Austin: and Fleep
[2014/11/04 12:12]  Ai Austin: and neb
[2014/11/04 12:12]  IM: Michelle Techland: hi justin. are u  testing voice? i don't hear nothing :-))
[2014/11/04 12:12]  Marcus Llewellyn: I hear everyone, but neb as a little bit of breakup in his voice.
[2014/11/04 12:12]  Ai Austin: I have no gas clouds today
[2014/11/04 12:12]  Myron Curtis: Right, The problem isn't the voip solution we use but just the way we imliment it
[2014/11/04 12:12]  Val Buss: As Marcus.
[2014/11/04 12:12]  Andrew Hellershanks: I've seen where the keynote I was in took much longer to rez than the other 3
[2014/11/04 12:12]  Ghaelen DLareh is Online
[2014/11/04 12:12]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: It is used as a conference call
[2014/11/04 12:12]  Fleep Tuque: That is strange neb, I am actually seeing no gas clouds ANYWHERE, which is kind of remarkable.
[2014/11/04 12:13]  Justin Clark-Casey: the kn you are in does take longer to rez because much more data sent
[2014/11/04 12:13]  Justin Clark-Casey: and data out is throttled
[2014/11/04 12:13]  Ai Austin: Likewise Fleep, no gas clouds at all!
[2014/11/04 12:13]  Rhiannon Chatnoir is Online
[2014/11/04 12:13]  Mal Burns: seeing all good on all 4 sims
[2014/11/04 12:13]  Ai Austin: even the hippos
[2014/11/04 12:13]  Marcus Llewellyn: JCC, open mic. :)
[2014/11/04 12:13]  Andrew Hellershanks: no gas clouds? woohoo
[2014/11/04 12:13]  Andrew Hellershanks: :)
[2014/11/04 12:13]  vegaslon.plutonian @vegaslon.ddns.net:9000: wow I saw gas clouds but as soon as I zoomed into them they came in
[2014/11/04 12:14]  Nebadon Izumi: zooming isnt helping me so far
[2014/11/04 12:14]  Nebadon Izumi: i dont see a lot
[2014/11/04 12:14]  Andrew Hellershanks: I'm in Singularity and the chairs too a while to rez
[2014/11/04 12:14]  Nebadon Izumi: maybe 15 or so total
[2014/11/04 12:14]  Marcus Llewellyn: I've had the no chair problem only once, on my local account, when TPing in.
[2014/11/04 12:14]  Val Buss: Singularity, Mac OS, chairs ok
[2014/11/04 12:14]  Mata Hari: so you're still using an abacus?
[2014/11/04 12:14]  Andrew Hellershanks: I'm using Singularity Viewer (64 bit) 1.8.6 (6194) Sep 12 2014 05:20:44 under Windows 8.1
[2014/11/04 12:14]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: Singularity Viewer (64 bit) 1.8.6 (6156) Sep 2 2014 15:52:42 (Singularity)
[2014/11/04 12:15]  Nebadon.Tester1 @grid.nebadon2025.com:8002: hmm
[2014/11/04 12:15]  Nebadon.Tester1 @grid.nebadon2025.com:8002: ah there goes
[2014/11/04 12:15]  Mata Hari: Firestorm 4.6.8 (42823) Oct 14 2014 23:32:55 (Firestorm-Fizzlefire) with OpenSimulator support
[2014/11/04 12:15]  Val Buss: Zone 2, I think
[2014/11/04 12:15]  Nebadon.Tester1 @grid.nebadon2025.com:8002: wierd
[2014/11/04 12:15]  Marcus Llewellyn: Staff group are good, right?
[2014/11/04 12:15]  Zuza Ritt: Hi
[2014/11/04 12:15]  Nebadon.Tester1 @grid.nebadon2025.com:8002: with this HG avatar
[2014/11/04 12:15]  Seth.Nygard @snpcgrid.strangled.net:9000: MIne looks good to go.
[2014/11/04 12:15]  Nebadon.Tester1 @grid.nebadon2025.com:8002: i dont see as many gas clouds
[2014/11/04 12:15]  Myron Curtis: I am in Singularity (64 bit)
[2014/11/04 12:16]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: starting bot load in 4 mins
[2014/11/04 12:16]  Nebadon.Tester1 @grid.nebadon2025.com:8002: ok
[2014/11/04 12:16]  Myron Curtis: I don't see any gas clouds
[2014/11/04 12:16]  Fleep Tuque: 92 bluewall slade bluewall.slade@gateway.bluewallvirtual.net: error contacting hypergrid address: The request timed out
[2014/11/04 12:16]  Sine Whatever: Myron Fleep told me to use 32 bit Singularity
[2014/11/04 12:16]  Gavin Hird: OS X 10.10 and Singularity - all clear - no clouds
[2014/11/04 12:16]  Sine Whatever: 64 bit has problems with Skype
[2014/11/04 12:17]  Val Buss: OS X 10.9.5 looking good. Sound occasionally fragmenting
[2014/11/04 12:17]  strannik.zipper @piratesatoll.com:9032: What sound am I supposed to be hearing?
[2014/11/04 12:17]  Andrew Hellershanks: I'm have Skyp 6.21.60.104
[2014/11/04 12:17]  Myron Curtis: ok
[2014/11/04 12:17]  Ghaelen DLareh: sounding great, no lag so far :)
[2014/11/04 12:18]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: you maybe heairng voice, but the vivox voice servce is flaky
[2014/11/04 12:18]  Myron Curtis: I give that a try if it will install
[2014/11/04 12:18]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: actuall conference stuff will be streamded in from skype
[2014/11/04 12:18]  Gavin Hird: no sound in keynote 3
[2014/11/04 12:18]  strannik.zipper @piratesatoll.com:9032: might I not be hearing voice because I am in a different region?
[2014/11/04 12:18]  strannik.zipper @piratesatoll.com:9032: oh yeah
[2014/11/04 12:18]  Ada Radius: nor in keynote 4
[2014/11/04 12:18]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: yes, actually.....
[2014/11/04 12:18]  strannik.zipper @piratesatoll.com:9032: nor in 2
[2014/11/04 12:18]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: yeah, I'd be pretty sure voice is only in kn1
[2014/11/04 12:18]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: vivox anyway
[2014/11/04 12:18]  Jens Olsen: For me things works great....I did the normal reg.....
[2014/11/04 12:19]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002 nods
[2014/11/04 12:19]  Myron Curtis: Interesting, the menue on my viewer lists that voice is disabled in this region
[2014/11/04 12:19]  Tacity LLL: Everything is working for me. Zone loaded quickly and sound is good.
[2014/11/04 12:19]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: http://gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002/ Invention
[2014/11/04 12:19]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: 1 min to botfall
[2014/11/04 12:19]  Fleep Tuque: Neb are you playing MOAP?
[2014/11/04 12:19]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: or gateway.bluewalvirtual.net:8002:Invention
[2014/11/04 12:19]  Nebadon Izumi: no
[2014/11/04 12:20]  Fleep Tuque: k
[2014/11/04 12:20]  Nebadon Izumi: iim messing with a different screen
[2014/11/04 12:20]  Fleep Tuque: ah
[2014/11/04 12:20]  Nebadon Izumi: why?
[2014/11/04 12:20]  Kayaker Magic: MOAP == Mother Of All Parties
[2014/11/04 12:20]  Ghaelen DLareh claps along not knowing why
[2014/11/04 12:20]  Andrew Hellershanks: oh. I'm hearing cheering all of a sudden
[2014/11/04 12:20]  Fleep Tuque: I just got the notice to allow media
[2014/11/04 12:20]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: with my even more painfully detalied logging, I realized today that all caht goes over it's own fire and forget thread
[2014/11/04 12:20]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: I wonder if that's a reason for delayed chat udner load
[2014/11/04 12:20]  Nebadon Izumi: oh ya heh
[2014/11/04 12:20]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: a concert on the screen
[2014/11/04 12:20]  Andrew Hellershanks: Ah. Media started playing.
[2014/11/04 12:20]  Andrew Hellershanks: someone else said "testing 1 2 3"
[2014/11/04 12:20]  Nebadon Izumi: yea i put on a video
[2014/11/04 12:20]  strannik.zipper @piratesatoll.com:9032: that was me
[2014/11/04 12:20]  Nebadon Izumi: its not MOAP though
[2014/11/04 12:20]  Val Buss: Sound good, avi sound, no visual
[2014/11/04 12:20]  Jens Olsen: jep media on.....
[2014/11/04 12:20]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: starting bot load
[2014/11/04 12:20]  Ai Austin: screen playing Youtube movie fine
[2014/11/04 12:20]  Nebadon Izumi: ya its youtube
[2014/11/04 12:20]  Mal Burns: i hear noisy crowd here lol
[2014/11/04 12:20]  ssmtest.ssmtest @hg.francogrid.org: hello world
[2014/11/04 12:21]  Nebadon Izumi: you probably need to be in Keynote 1 to see it
[2014/11/04 12:21]  Nebadon Izumi: i think
[2014/11/04 12:21]  Andrew Hellershanks: Some sort of concert video playing?
[2014/11/04 12:21]  Nebadon Izumi: i never tested it across border
[2014/11/04 12:21]  Gavin Hird: no movies in keynote 3
[2014/11/04 12:21]  Kayaker Magic: In Keynote 2, I'm not seeing any video
[2014/11/04 12:21]  Nebadon Izumi: kk
[2014/11/04 12:21]  Val Buss: Media sound only
[2014/11/04 12:21]  strannik.zipper @piratesatoll.com:9032: the video was not playing in region 2
[2014/11/04 12:21]  Nebadon Izumi: ya this video requires flash
[2014/11/04 12:21]  Nebadon Izumi: its pretty flakey experience between different viewers and operating systems
[2014/11/04 12:21]  Val Buss: I should have flash. Will check
[2014/11/04 12:22]  Nebadon Izumi: unfortunately none of the SL media stuff works well for everyone
[2014/11/04 12:22]  Andrew Hellershanks: nebadon, I was seeing the video just fine
[2014/11/04 12:22]  Tacity LLL: I'm not seeing video in region 1
[2014/11/04 12:22]  strannik.zipper @piratesatoll.com:9032: no, it was not on in 2 - I moved to 1 and it is fine
[2014/11/04 12:22]  Nebadon Izumi: someone always seems to have trouble with it
[2014/11/04 12:22]  Myron Curtis: I'm going to try the 32 bit version.
[2014/11/04 12:22]  Be Austin: Yes Neb, video does not show in keynote 2
[2014/11/04 12:22]  Andrew Hellershanks: I was looking at the video and still not sure what I was watching.
[2014/11/04 12:22]  Nebadon Izumi: ok thanks
[2014/11/04 12:22]  Val Buss: I have trouble even in SL. Wrong flash version?
[2014/11/04 12:22]  strannik.zipper @piratesatoll.com:9032: MOAP makes me MOPE! ;-)
[2014/11/04 12:22]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: moap makes me nope
[2014/11/04 12:22]  Nebadon Izumi: maybe Val
[2014/11/04 12:22]  Nebadon Izumi: 64 bit viewer doesnt like flash sometimes
[2014/11/04 12:22]  Val Buss: Thanks Nebadon
[2014/11/04 12:22]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: Depends on the viewer whether it works for me
[2014/11/04 12:23]  Nebadon Izumi: little laggy
[2014/11/04 12:23]  Gavin Hird does not like flash at all
[2014/11/04 12:23]  Sine Whatever: they are on for me
[2014/11/04 12:23]  Sine Whatever: but still don't see video
[2014/11/04 12:23]  Fleep Tuque: Edit > Preferences > Auido & Video > turn on automatic play Parcel and Prim media
[2014/11/04 12:23]  Ai Austin: Firestorm 64 bit seems to be working for me for the video in keynote 1
[2014/11/04 12:23]  Seth.Nygard @snpcgrid.strangled.net:9000 hates Flash as well, but at least it is working for me
[2014/11/04 12:23]  strannik.zipper @piratesatoll.com:9032: me too
[2014/11/04 12:23]  Nebadon Izumi: let me try it on MOAP
[2014/11/04 12:23]  Sine Whatever: oh dear chat isvery lagged
[2014/11/04 12:23]  Mal Burns: i saw it and turned off lol
[2014/11/04 12:23]  Nebadon Izumi: ya
[2014/11/04 12:24]  Nebadon Izumi: very laggy for me to at the moment
[2014/11/04 12:24]  Andrew Hellershanks: I saw the video and heard it in singularity. Didn't need either of the "automatically play prim/parcel media" options set.
[2014/11/04 12:24]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: 12:24
[2014/11/04 12:24]  Be Austin: On,y a music stream in keynote 2... no video or media dstreams
[2014/11/04 12:24]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: no lag for me right now
[2014/11/04 12:24]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: but I know it waves
[2014/11/04 12:24]  Mal Burns: can still start with mediaplay button
[2014/11/04 12:24]  Ghaelen DLareh is Offline
[2014/11/04 12:24]  Ghaelen DLareh is Online
[2014/11/04 12:24]  Sine Whatever: just all caught up
[2014/11/04 12:24]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: 154 connections
[2014/11/04 12:24]  Nebadon Izumi: feels extremely laggy
[2014/11/04 12:24]  Nebadon Izumi: for 154
[2014/11/04 12:24]  Nebadon Izumi: maybe just me though
[2014/11/04 12:24]  Andrew Hellershanks: nice
[2014/11/04 12:24]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: not at all for me
[2014/11/04 12:24]  Sun Tzu is Online
[2014/11/04 12:25]  Tacity LLL: Yes my preferences are on - i hear the youtube audio but don't see video - I'm running Singularity on a mac
[2014/11/04 12:25]  Val Buss: Still no media visual
[2014/11/04 12:25]  Roswenthe Blackwell: i'm not laggy at all, and i see the video just fine
[2014/11/04 12:25]  Ghaelen DLareh: Who let the bots out! Naaaah, na naaah, na
[2014/11/04 12:25]  Nebadon Izumi: maybe i should just kill my bots
[2014/11/04 12:25]  Sine Whatever: I dont't hear or see video
[2014/11/04 12:25]  Nebadon Izumi: i cant even move hardly
[2014/11/04 12:25]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: maybe remove a few neb
[2014/11/04 12:25]  Sine Whatever: but chat is OK now
[2014/11/04 12:25]  Val Buss: Tacity - also snags here, on Mac
[2014/11/04 12:26]  Val Buss: I think the visual snag is my end.
[2014/11/04 12:26]  Fleep Tuque: 2 BlueWall Slade bluewall.slade@gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: foreign user has same uuid as another foreign user 4ab4afee-3863-4948-869a-169c0620cb62;http://gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002/;BlueWall Slade
[2014/11/04 12:26]  Kayaker Magic: I wasn't sure it was my viewer, so I moved from Keynote 2 to Keynote 1: Now I see the video.
[2014/11/04 12:26]  Ai Austin: whooo.. the bots are all coming in.. clouds for 30 seconds or so and then rezzing for me
[2014/11/04 12:26]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: they will rez for a while but then that will stop
[2014/11/04 12:26]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: appearance sending gets overwhelmed on the pCampbot end
[2014/11/04 12:26]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: not time now to fix it
[2014/11/04 12:27]  Nebadon Izumi: i dropped 8 bots off
[2014/11/04 12:27]  Nebadon Izumi: down to 40
[2014/11/04 12:27]  Be Austin: no vieo shows as avsailable in keynote 2.. so only keybote 1 as Neb suggested
[2014/11/04 12:27]  Nebadon Izumi: does feel better now
[2014/11/04 12:27]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: current connections 173
[2014/11/04 12:27]  Nebadon Izumi: wierd i used to be able to have so many more bots
[2014/11/04 12:27]  Nebadon Izumi: now i cant barely log in any bots
[2014/11/04 12:27]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: it's like it's getting worse over time
[2014/11/04 12:27]  Nebadon Izumi: yea
[2014/11/04 12:27]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: it is wierd
[2014/11/04 12:27]  Nebadon Izumi: every week its worse
[2014/11/04 12:27]  Andrew Hellershanks: Oh. The video is Shpongle live in concert. No idea who that is. Never heard of them before.
[2014/11/04 12:28]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: hmm, I think I know major reason for chat out of order
[2014/11/04 12:28]  Mal Burns: even if no voice, video needs work over 4 sims surely?
[2014/11/04 12:28]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: it's because pf it's use of fire and forget under these load conditions most likely
[2014/11/04 12:28]  Truelie.Telling @craft-world.org:8002: I'm not getting video or sound, although my sound thinks it's on
[2014/11/04 12:29]  Deanna.Janus @hypergrid.org:8002: i see the video and heard Fleep and other people talking here, but not in keynote3
[2014/11/04 12:29]  Ghaelen DLareh: video very smooth, voice is clear and no lag for me
[2014/11/04 12:29]  Esparanza Freese: I cant see it
[2014/11/04 12:29]  Ghaelen DLareh: I'll go see
[2014/11/04 12:29]  Nebadon Izumi: justin
[2014/11/04 12:29]  Nebadon Izumi: are you sitting your bots on ground again?
[2014/11/04 12:29]  Truelie.Telling @craft-world.org:8002: I'm on keynot 3 too
[2014/11/04 12:29]  Nebadon Izumi: oh your using the wrong bots :/
[2014/11/04 12:29]  Nebadon Izumi: oh thats right
[2014/11/04 12:29]  Val Buss: I'll check other regions
[2014/11/04 12:29]  Nebadon Izumi: forgot
[2014/11/04 12:29]  Kayaker Magic: Oh NO! The bottom of the video has a message for me! It says my computer is slow!
[2014/11/04 12:29]  Mal Burns: can you see from other keynotes if you cam in to keynote1?
[2014/11/04 12:29]  Nebadon Izumi: you cant use the new ones here
[2014/11/04 12:30]  Mal Burns: or put duplicatye screens on each keynote ???
[2014/11/04 12:30]  Myron Curtis: Ok as far as I can tell, Keynote 4 has voice disabled.
[2014/11/04 12:30]  Ghaelen DLareh: I can't see the video - could the parcel options have something to do with it?
[2014/11/04 12:30]  Myron Curtis: I can use it in the landing area, but not here
[2014/11/04 12:30]  Ghaelen DLareh: These are off for hearing others on this parcel
[2014/11/04 12:31]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: sounds like a media on a prim issue
[2014/11/04 12:31]  Fleep Tuque: Ghaelen what KN are you in?
[2014/11/04 12:31]  Andrew Hellershanks: Ijust checked the media in Keynote 3
[2014/11/04 12:31]  Ghaelen DLareh: 3
[2014/11/04 12:31]  Mata Hari: me sees a video of a lot of scantily clad dancers :o
[2014/11/04 12:31]  Ghaelen DLareh: keynote 3
[2014/11/04 12:31]  Fleep Tuque: ok thanks
[2014/11/04 12:31]  Andrew Hellershanks: Keynote 3 has no media URL set. The texture for media is not the same in About Land as is shown on the player prim.
[2014/11/04 12:32]  Nebadon Izumi: ya its not going to work
[2014/11/04 12:32]  Ghaelen DLareh: ok
[2014/11/04 12:32]  Nebadon Izumi: outside of this region
[2014/11/04 12:32]  Myron Curtis: does anyone in Keynote 4 see the media, or hear voice?
[2014/11/04 12:32]  Nebadon Izumi: no
[2014/11/04 12:32]  Nebadon Izumi: your not going to
[2014/11/04 12:32]  Nebadon Izumi: no point in asking
[2014/11/04 12:32]  Nebadon Izumi: its just not going to work there
[2014/11/04 12:32]  Myron Curtis: ok
[2014/11/04 12:32]  Andrew Hellershanks: That explains why no one in Keynote 3 can't see video
[2014/11/04 12:32]  Nebadon Izumi: ya
[2014/11/04 12:32]  Nebadon Izumi: im just going to put screen away
[2014/11/04 12:32]  Myron Curtis: Interesting
[2014/11/04 12:32]  Andrew Hellershanks: s/can't/can/
[2014/11/04 12:32]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: 205 connections
[2014/11/04 12:32]  Ghaelen DLareh: I am in keynote 3 and the screen just changed to a slide
[2014/11/04 12:32]  Andrew Hellershanks: Nebadon, The texture in about land needs changing and the URL needs to be set.
[2014/11/04 12:32]  Sun Tzu is Offline
[2014/11/04 12:32]  Mata Hari: ah ha! Bluewall now has the dual port issue :p
[2014/11/04 12:33]  Sine Whatever: Inkeynote 2 and I see the slide
[2014/11/04 12:33]  Mal Burns: you coukld alos make screen as a HUD that ppl can optionally wear if probs
[2014/11/04 12:33]  Myron Curtis: ok I can now see a slide.
[2014/11/04 12:33]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: looking ok so far, occasional scene time eleavtion on connections but that's expected
[2014/11/04 12:33]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: otherwise good atm
[2014/11/04 12:34]  Andrew Hellershanks: If media is ok in 2, and settings need changing in 3, I'll check kn 4
[2014/11/04 12:34]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: stil logging in bots slower than previous weeks
[2014/11/04 12:34]  Mata Hari: it will persist forever now Bluewall...you're doomed!
[2014/11/04 12:34]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: 1 every 15 secs on each region
[2014/11/04 12:34]  Deanna.Janus @hypergrid.org:8002: now i dont see the video but hear the music yet
[2014/11/04 12:34]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: to give them a better chance of apperaance loading, but it hitches up pretty quickly
[2014/11/04 12:34]  Kayaker Magic: Keynote 4 had not video
[2014/11/04 12:34]  Sine Whatever: periodically getting message that Singularity is not responding
[2014/11/04 12:34]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: we don't general see this issue with real viewres so I suspect it's a pCampbot specific issue
[2014/11/04 12:34]  Nebadon Izumi: :/
[2014/11/04 12:34]  Sine Whatever: is that my viewer?
[2014/11/04 12:34]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: possibly just overload
[2014/11/04 12:35]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: sine: oh really, but it's still working?
[2014/11/04 12:35]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: odd
[2014/11/04 12:35]  Sine Whatever: yes
[2014/11/04 12:35]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: windows is saying it isn't responding?
[2014/11/04 12:35]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: or singu itself?
[2014/11/04 12:35]  Sine Whatever: just installed 32 bit this morning
[2014/11/04 12:35]  Sine Whatever: screen goes black
[2014/11/04 12:35]  Sine Whatever: and says singularity not responding
[2014/11/04 12:35]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: urgh
[2014/11/04 12:35]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: but you can still text chat?
[2014/11/04 12:35]  Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: ati card?
[2014/11/04 12:36]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002 is Online
[2014/11/04 12:36]  Sine Whatever: not when screen is black
[2014/11/04 12:36]  Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: sing doesnt seem to like ATI
[2014/11/04 12:36]  Sine Whatever: seems to come right back and then I can chat
[2014/11/04 12:36]  Myron Curtis: a lot of people have gas now
[2014/11/04 12:36]  ssmtest.ssmtest @hg.francogrid.org: a
[2014/11/04 12:36]  Mata Hari: most easily solved by borrowing Neb's cat and letting it play with your power bar
[2014/11/04 12:36]  Fleep Tuque: lol
[2014/11/04 12:36]  Sine Whatever: lol
[2014/11/04 12:36]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: 228 connections
[2014/11/04 12:36]  Nebadon Izumi: haha
[2014/11/04 12:36]  Andrew Hellershanks: KN2, 3, and 4 don't have the stream URL set for media. KN2 doesn't have the right prim texture in about land that matches the texture on the large screen. KN3 and 4 have a different texture on the large screen than is shown in About Land.
[2014/11/04 12:36]  Nebadon Izumi: my cat shut off all my servers and internet this morning
[2014/11/04 12:36]  Nebadon Izumi: with the flick of his paw
[2014/11/04 12:37]  Mata Hari: clever cat
[2014/11/04 12:37]  Fleep Tuque: Neb I hope all thes avs you have up here are dressed ones :P
[2014/11/04 12:37]  vegaslon.plutonian @vegaslon.ddns.net:9000: I constantly have my video card drivers crash when using singularity, that is usually what it looks like. A black screen
[2014/11/04 12:37]  Andrew Hellershanks: Smart cat
[2014/11/04 12:37]  Fleep Tuque: I couldn't take screenshots of the stage the other day :P
[2014/11/04 12:37]  Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: cat prolly wanted food
[2014/11/04 12:37]  Nebadon Izumi: those are justins
[2014/11/04 12:37]  Nebadon Izumi: all i see is gas clouds
[2014/11/04 12:37]  strannik.zipper @piratesatoll.com:9032: and now, directly from Le Moulin Rouge, the NAKED AV show!
[2014/11/04 12:37]  Nebadon Izumi: on the couches
[2014/11/04 12:37]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: yes, the bots have stopped loading appearance
[2014/11/04 12:37]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: unfortunately
[2014/11/04 12:37]  Ghaelen DLareh: I have some screenshots, Fleep
[2014/11/04 12:38]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: thanks, yes screenshots are great
[2014/11/04 12:38]  Fleep Tuque: Neb do you have a video with no audio?
[2014/11/04 12:38]  Ghaelen DLareh: keynote 3 slide changed again
[2014/11/04 12:38]  Fleep Tuque: A link?
[2014/11/04 12:38]  Andrew Hellershanks: uh oh
[2014/11/04 12:38]  Andrew Hellershanks: hehe
[2014/11/04 12:38]  Andrew Hellershanks: yes
[2014/11/04 12:39]  Andrew Hellershanks: not sure who is now hearing chat but I hear them
[2014/11/04 12:39]  Myron Curtis: Keynote four the slide also changed
[2014/11/04 12:39]  strannik.zipper @piratesatoll.com:9032: bluegrass yeah! do it!
[2014/11/04 12:39]  Andrew Hellershanks: Nothing wrong withBluesgreass
[2014/11/04 12:39]  Mata Hari: bluegrass is good :)
[2014/11/04 12:39]  Truelie.Telling @craft-world.org:8002: wish I could hear it, sigh
[2014/11/04 12:39]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: approach 250 connections
[2014/11/04 12:39]  Kayaker Magic: Keynote 4: slide says Today's Agenda
[2014/11/04 12:39]  Marcus Llewellyn: reattach?
[2014/11/04 12:39]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002 is Online
[2014/11/04 12:40]  Ai Austin: LOTS of gas clouds now
[2014/11/04 12:40]  Andrew Hellershanks: I bounced to other KN regions. Now that I'm back here I see clouds
[2014/11/04 12:40]  Truelie.Telling @craft-world.org:8002: yes, I'm seeing slides change on 3
[2014/11/04 12:40]  Fleep Tuque: http://youtu.be/KF9aboincMc
[2014/11/04 12:40]  [OSCC Zone 1] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net: Test
[2014/11/04 12:40]  Truelie.Telling @craft-world.org:8002: I see lots of clouds named ima bot...
[2014/11/04 12:40]  Kayaker Magic: KN3 slide change: Speaker Training
[2014/11/04 12:40]  [OSCC Zone 1] Marcus Llewellyn: test bakc atcha
[2014/11/04 12:40]  Stephen.Xootfly @cc.opensimulator.org:8002 is Online
[2014/11/04 12:40]  Truelie.Telling @craft-world.org:8002: got it
[2014/11/04 12:40]  [OSCC Zone 1] Nebadon Izumi: received :)
[2014/11/04 12:40]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: 257 connections
[2014/11/04 12:40]  [OSCC Zone 1] Mal Burns: received
[2014/11/04 12:40]  [OSCC Zone 1] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net: :)
[2014/11/04 12:40]  Ghaelen DLareh: I just saw bot tester 244
[2014/11/04 12:40]  Kayaker Magic: KN3 slide change, looks like web pages
[2014/11/04 12:40]  [OSCC Zone 1] Mata Hari nods
[2014/11/04 12:41]  Ghaelen DLareh: keynote 3, yes I see a web page, too
[2014/11/04 12:41]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: fairly stable, elevation of ft on connections
[2014/11/04 12:41]  Val Buss: Seeing slide changes ok in 2. Ambient sound only no voice
[2014/11/04 12:41]  Ghaelen DLareh: and a video
[2014/11/04 12:41]  Andrew Hellershanks doesn't hear the Bluegrass music
[2014/11/04 12:41]  Kayaker Magic: with live video in them!
[2014/11/04 12:41]  [OSCC Zone 1] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net: Sing does not show groups, Firestorm voice not working
[2014/11/04 12:41]  strannik.zipper @piratesatoll.com:9032: oh, gotta love the Cox family!
[2014/11/04 12:41]  Ghaelen DLareh: no sound, though
[2014/11/04 12:41]  Seth.Nygard @snpcgrid.strangled.net:9000: There is no such thing as lag - it is a figment of our imagination
[2014/11/04 12:41]  [OSCC Zone 1] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net: :S
[2014/11/04 12:41]  Mata Hari: relading for me too
[2014/11/04 12:41]  Zuza Ritt: can see video
[2014/11/04 12:41]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: if only :)
[2014/11/04 12:41]  Elmo.Figaro @hypergrid.org:8002: youtube i see KN 3
[2014/11/04 12:41]  Truelie.Telling @craft-world.org:8002: Oh... I just got about two seconds of sound... an ad, of course
[2014/11/04 12:41]  Ghaelen DLareh: KN3, looks like youtube on the screen
[2014/11/04 12:41]  Myron Curtis: video works in 4
[2014/11/04 12:41]  Kayaker Magic: make that full screen and I'd be happy!
[2014/11/04 12:41]  Val Buss: Black screen with Youtube here but likely my end.
[2014/11/04 12:41]  Val Buss: Ah, soundnow!
[2014/11/04 12:41]  Sine Whatever: ah I have video and sound now
[2014/11/04 12:42]  Kayaker Magic: Yes, sound in KN4, but low volume
[2014/11/04 12:42]  Val Buss: No vid :(
[2014/11/04 12:42]  Val Buss: Suspect Flash version issue
[2014/11/04 12:42]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002 is Online
[2014/11/04 12:42]  Ghaelen DLareh: I have vid but not sound in KN3
[2014/11/04 12:42]  strannik.zipper @piratesatoll.com:9032: very low volume
[2014/11/04 12:42]  Mata Hari: I have vid but no audio
[2014/11/04 12:42]  Frans Charming: Country
[2014/11/04 12:42]  Deanna.Janus @hypergrid.org:8002: yes, a youtube page now
[2014/11/04 12:42]  Truelie.Telling @craft-world.org:8002: I got sound!... more ads, seriously!...
[2014/11/04 12:42]  Val Buss: Sorry guys - have to scoot. All the bet!
[2014/11/04 12:42]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: I see the MOAP video
[2014/11/04 12:42]  Alicia.Raven @grid.spellscape.co.uk: there is a bot sat next to me with no pants lol
[2014/11/04 12:42]  strannik.zipper @piratesatoll.com:9032: this is music from "Oh Brother Where Art Thou" - a classic
[2014/11/04 12:42]  Val Buss: bst!
[2014/11/04 12:42]  Andrew Hellershanks: I see no video in KN3. AFAICT there is no URL set in About Land
[2014/11/04 12:42]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: in Keynote 2
[2014/11/04 12:43]  Val Buss: Lag b e s t
[2014/11/04 12:43]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: moving to keynote 3 next
[2014/11/04 12:43]  Frans Charming: yea
[2014/11/04 12:43]  Fleep Tuque: So the YouTube video is NOT playing for anyone in KN2, 3, 4?
[2014/11/04 12:43]  Ghaelen DLareh: bot tester 251 to my right
[2014/11/04 12:43]  Fleep Tuque: Is that correct?
[2014/11/04 12:43]  Andrew Hellershanks: Justin likes to live dangerously. :)
[2014/11/04 12:43]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: 285 connections
[2014/11/04 12:43]  Elmo.Figaro @hypergrid.org:8002: KN 3 has video
[2014/11/04 12:44]  Ghaelen DLareh: the video is playing in KN3 but no sound
[2014/11/04 12:44]  Myron Curtis: If I camera zoom in from KN 4 I can hear the music.
[2014/11/04 12:44]  Andrew Hellershanks: Fleep, AFAICT, the other KNs do not have a URL in About Land
[2014/11/04 12:44]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: see the MOAP video in keynote 3
[2014/11/04 12:44]  Delightful Doowangle: KN3 youtube working for me, no sound
[2014/11/04 12:44]  Mal Burns: whew
[2014/11/04 12:44]  Kayaker Magic: In KN4, sound and video, but I have to cam close to the screen to hear the sound
[2014/11/04 12:44]  Truelie.Telling @craft-world.org:8002: I got sound on KN3, and see the screen with what looks like a youtube page
[2014/11/04 12:44]  Ada Radius: I'm hearing and seeing well from KN4
[2014/11/04 12:44]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: persistent ft elevation now in kn1 at 290 connections
[2014/11/04 12:44]  Ada Radius: yes, have to cam in to hear it well
[2014/11/04 12:44]  Sine Whatever: I'm in KN2 and I saw and heard video
[2014/11/04 12:44]  Sine Whatever: back to slides now
[2014/11/04 12:44]  Ghaelen DLareh: oh yes, camming way in gets very quiet sound fm KN3
[2014/11/04 12:44]  Truelie.Telling @craft-world.org:8002: oh, the sound volume goes up when I cam in to the screen
[2014/11/04 12:45]  Andrew Hellershanks: The only thing you were testting in the other KN's was just MOAP
[2014/11/04 12:45]  Andrew Hellershanks: ?
[2014/11/04 12:45]  Myron Curtis: ah if you sit in the chair it zooms you into hearing range
[2014/11/04 12:45]  Deanna.Janus @hypergrid.org:8002: no sound in MOAP in KN1
[2014/11/04 12:45]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002 nods
[2014/11/04 12:45]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: intelligent chairs :)
[2014/11/04 12:45]  vegaslon.plutonian @vegaslon.ddns.net:9000: poor nebadon trying to entertain the kids
[2014/11/04 12:45]  Stephen.Xootfly @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: I have a suggestion on helping people hearing the video, or getting their cameras close.
[2014/11/04 12:45]  Ghaelen DLareh: hmmm, my chair not so smart then
[2014/11/04 12:45]  Sine Whatever: lol Ghaelen
[2014/11/04 12:46]  Stephen.Xootfly @cc.opensimulator.org:8002 is Offline
[2014/11/04 12:46]  Mal Burns: prefs - you can set media to hear from camera position or avatar position - thinki cam position is default but will go up and down as you cam around Trulie
[2014/11/04 12:46]  Truelie.Telling @craft-world.org:8002: volume is not loud enough when I click Esc and let the sim move the cam
[2014/11/04 12:46]  Kayaker Magic: Play another video!
[2014/11/04 12:46]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: adding another 23 bots to here to bring up to 100
[2014/11/04 12:46]  Stephen.Xootfly @cc.opensimulator.org:8002 is Online
[2014/11/04 12:46]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: 307 connections
[2014/11/04 12:46]  Andrew Hellershanks: Easy to make a "do something now" sign
[2014/11/04 12:46]  Alicia.Raven @grid.spellscape.co.uk: gotta go, bye for now :)
[2014/11/04 12:46]  Be Austin: going quite slow now. sitting and dsatbndinf going slowly, and chat typing very slow
[2014/11/04 12:46]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: denied call
[2014/11/04 12:47]  [OSCC Zone 1] Nebadon Izumi: voice all the sudden started working for me
[2014/11/04 12:47]  Frans Charming: yea
[2014/11/04 12:47]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: that sounds like viewr overload
[2014/11/04 12:47]  Andrew Hellershanks: yes
[2014/11/04 12:47]  Jak Daniels: yes
[2014/11/04 12:47]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: my av is ok
[2014/11/04 12:47]  [OSCC Zone 1] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net: I needed to jump to the region beside us to see all my groups
[2014/11/04 12:47]  Jak Daniels: we hear you in parcel media
[2014/11/04 12:47]  Andrew Hellershanks: I hear a phone ringing
[2014/11/04 12:47]  [OSCC Zone 1] Nebadon Izumi: odd
[2014/11/04 12:48]  [OSCC Zone 1] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net: Mayb that is cached somehow
[2014/11/04 12:48]  Ghaelen DLareh: I hear voice over here in KN3!
[2014/11/04 12:48]  Andrew Hellershanks: I think I'm hearing the Skype call via the music stream in world
[2014/11/04 12:48]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: yes
[2014/11/04 12:48]  Ghaelen DLareh: I am standing by the rope, though
[2014/11/04 12:48]  Nebadon Izumi: yes
[2014/11/04 12:48]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: 326 connections
[2014/11/04 12:48]  Ghaelen DLareh: maybe I hear the stream then
[2014/11/04 12:48]  Nebadon Izumi: i hear you
[2014/11/04 12:48]  Stephen.Xootfly @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: I hear you.
[2014/11/04 12:48]  Nebadon Izumi: sounds really good too
[2014/11/04 12:48]  Jak Daniels: yes, parcel audio
[2014/11/04 12:48]  Kayaker Magic: I hear audio!
[2014/11/04 12:48]  Nick Zwart is Online
[2014/11/04 12:48]  Delightful Doowangle: Hearing in KN3 too
[2014/11/04 12:48]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: might be me
[2014/11/04 12:48]  Nebadon Izumi: someone sounds really distorted
[2014/11/04 12:49]  Frans Charming: I'm not getting the parcel audio.
[2014/11/04 12:49]  Jak Daniels: and humming
[2014/11/04 12:49]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: you want me to close open vivox?
[2014/11/04 12:49]  Kayaker Magic: I hear it in KN4
[2014/11/04 12:49]  Ghaelen DLareh: yes, hearing stream in KN3 now
[2014/11/04 12:49]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: huming must bs tream
[2014/11/04 12:49]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: be stream
[2014/11/04 12:49]  Kayaker Magic: HUMMMMMMMM
[2014/11/04 12:49]  Myron Curtis: Thanks for having me. Time to go back to my day job. Have fun.
[2014/11/04 12:49]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: heh mutiple voice sources are confusing
[2014/11/04 12:49]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: bye myron, thanks for coming
[2014/11/04 12:49]  Nebadon Izumi: sounds like a bitrate issue
[2014/11/04 12:49]  Deanna.Janus @hypergrid.org:8002: MOAP didnt have sound
[2014/11/04 12:49]  Nebadon Izumi: she sounds like a chipmunk
[2014/11/04 12:49]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: 333 connections
[2014/11/04 12:49]  Truelie.Telling @craft-world.org:8002: I hear countdown
[2014/11/04 12:49]  Truelie.Telling @craft-world.org:8002: sounds crunchy
[2014/11/04 12:50]  Mal Burns: have voice but no ther sounds (KN1)
[2014/11/04 12:50]  Kayaker Magic: No change in volume with distance on this feed.
[2014/11/04 12:50]  Ghaelen DLareh: should we all turn off voice?
[2014/11/04 12:50]  Andrew Hellershanks: I turned off voice and am hearing talking via the music stream
[2014/11/04 12:50]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: via vivox?
[2014/11/04 12:50]  Frans Charming: there it goes, had to restart it.
[2014/11/04 12:50]  Nebadon Izumi: voice will be off here for the actual event
[2014/11/04 12:50]  Nebadon Izumi: its only on now for the load tests
[2014/11/04 12:50]  Mal Burns: yat - got stream skype now
[2014/11/04 12:50]  Truelie.Telling @craft-world.org:8002: FL calls... sorry, see y'all soon
[2014/11/04 12:50]  Stephen.Xootfly @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: Wade
[2014/11/04 12:51]  Frans Charming: bye Truelie
[2014/11/04 12:51]  [OSCC Zone 1] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net: Flep sounds good in Skype
[2014/11/04 12:51]  Kayaker Magic: Family Life?
[2014/11/04 12:51]  Andrew Hellershanks: ah, yes. I hear the buzzing noise from someone
[2014/11/04 12:51]  [OSCC Zone 1] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net: other party is garbled
[2014/11/04 12:51]  Nebadon Izumi: so much better
[2014/11/04 12:51]  Andrew Hellershanks: That sounded good
[2014/11/04 12:51]  Kayaker Magic: Better,
[2014/11/04 12:51]  Kayaker Magic: Much better!
[2014/11/04 12:51]  [OSCC Zone 1] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net: all is god now
[2014/11/04 12:51]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: 352 connections
[2014/11/04 12:51]  [OSCC Zone 1] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net: god
[2014/11/04 12:51]  Nebadon Izumi: lol
[2014/11/04 12:51]  Nebadon Izumi: GOD!!!!
[2014/11/04 12:51]  [OSCC Zone 1] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net: good
[2014/11/04 12:51]  [OSCC Zone 1] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net: hehe
[2014/11/04 12:51]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: persistnet ft elevation in kn1
[2014/11/04 12:51]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: not hampering mvmt for me
[2014/11/04 12:51]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: no obvious chat lag
[2014/11/04 12:51]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: Sticky "O"
[2014/11/04 12:52]  Stephen.Xootfly @cc.opensimulator.org:8002 is Offline
[2014/11/04 12:52]  Andrew Hellershanks: 363 avatars and bots
[2014/11/04 12:52]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: good we haven't had freezes again so far
[2014/11/04 12:52]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: though I suspect there are fewer hg ppl here as well
[2014/11/04 12:53]  Mata Hari: do you want me to go fetch one?
[2014/11/04 12:53]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: sure
[2014/11/04 12:53]  Mata Hari: kk
[2014/11/04 12:53]  Nebadon Izumi: ya no major freezing today
[2014/11/04 12:53]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: actually, let's not say it just yet :0
[2014/11/04 12:53]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: it would be just the trigger :)
[2014/11/04 12:53]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: javen'#t reached 400 conns yet
[2014/11/04 12:53]  Ghaelen DLareh: still smooth to move, sound is clear, no lag for me in KN 3
[2014/11/04 12:54]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: and still didn't get roudn to fixing pCmapbot memleak, so hopefully it will hold out
[2014/11/04 12:54]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: Sounds God
[2014/11/04 12:54]  Andrew Hellershanks is downloading latest Singularity Alpha viewer
[2014/11/04 12:54]  Ghaelen DLareh: are bots still coming in?
[2014/11/04 12:54]  Ghaelen DLareh: I saw bot 276 a while ago
[2014/11/04 12:55]  Fred.Appleby @hg.viewtwo.net:8654: Seeing 390 listed in people
[2014/11/04 12:55]  Andrew Hellershanks: I am hearing voice again
[2014/11/04 12:55]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: 283 connections
[2014/11/04 12:55]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: 382 rather
[2014/11/04 12:55]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: at 100 here
[2014/11/04 12:56]  Rhiannon Chatnoir is Online
[2014/11/04 12:56]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: 389 connections
[2014/11/04 12:56]  Connecting to in-world Voice Chat...
[2014/11/04 12:56]  Connected
[2014/11/04 12:56]  Crista Lopes: hello everyone
[2014/11/04 12:56]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: gave me a voice conn back
[2014/11/04 12:56]  Fleep Tuque: Hi Crista, do you have voice?
[2014/11/04 12:56]  Pathfinder.Lester @pathlandia.dlinkddns.com:9000: hi Crista!
[2014/11/04 12:56]  Ghaelen DLareh: Justin, how many 'bodies' in here do you know?
[2014/11/04 12:56]  Crista Lopes: errr. not on this viewer
[2014/11/04 12:57]  Fred.Appleby @hg.viewtwo.net:8654: Seeing 399 listed in people
[2014/11/04 12:57]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: 391 ghaleen
[2014/11/04 12:57]  Fred.Appleby @hg.viewtwo.net:8654: 400
[2014/11/04 12:57]  Ghaelen DLareh: wow, cool
[2014/11/04 12:57]  Fred.Appleby @hg.viewtwo.net:8654: voice and chat good
[2014/11/04 12:57]  Nick Zwart is Offline
[2014/11/04 12:57]  Crista Lopes: the bots are all the clouds, yes?
[2014/11/04 12:57]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: yes
[2014/11/04 12:57]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: so yes, it is helpful if as a moderator, or if you are fine with multitasking as a peresneter to also type the question in chat
[2014/11/04 12:57]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: I still have pCampbot issues though a few more real appearances
[2014/11/04 12:57]  Crista Lopes: this feels very good
[2014/11/04 12:58]  Andrew Hellershanks: hehe... force of habit. I downloaded latest Singularity Alpha for Linux when I needed the one for Windows. :)
[2014/11/04 12:58]  Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: so many clouds where the bots once stood
[2014/11/04 12:58]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: 403 connections
[2014/11/04 12:58]  Ghaelen DLareh: huzzah!
[2014/11/04 12:59]  Ghaelen DLareh: now I'm getting a little lag
[2014/11/04 12:59]  Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: they had bodies before I answered the phone
[2014/11/04 12:59]  Frans Charming: Justin you have a naked deformed avatar.
[2014/11/04 12:59]  Crista Lopes: 405!
[2014/11/04 12:59]  Nick Zwart is Online
[2014/11/04 12:59]  Crista Lopes: awesome sauce
[2014/11/04 12:59]  Andrew Hellershanks: I shold be logging out and getting back to documenting a software library. Also need to log out so I can upgrade this viewer.
[2014/11/04 12:59]  Mal Burns: Crashed
[2014/11/04 13:00]  Fleep Tuque: Oh one more reminder DO NOT USE THE OSCC VIEWER
[2014/11/04 13:00]  Mal Burns: Hi Crista
[2014/11/04 13:00]  Crista Lopes: Hi Mal
[2014/11/04 13:00]  Fleep Tuque: Make sure you are NOT using last year's viewer!
[2014/11/04 13:00]  Seth.Nygard @snpcgrid.strangled.net:9000: I see Fleep's avatar drifting off to the corner of the region
[2014/11/04 13:00]  Sine Whatever: everyone is turning to clouds for me
[2014/11/04 13:00]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: managing numbers to 400
[2014/11/04 13:00]  Nick Zwart: I was kicked off
[2014/11/04 13:00]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: though at some point pCampbot will crash
[2014/11/04 13:00]  Andrew Hellershanks: hehe... yeah, black bars
[2014/11/04 13:00]  Mal Burns: I am in OSCC viewer now - there is problem?
[2014/11/04 13:00]  Pathfinder.Lester @pathlandia.dlinkddns.com:9000: that sounds painful
[2014/11/04 13:00]  Nick Zwart: it was
[2014/11/04 13:00]  Pathfinder.Lester @pathlandia.dlinkddns.com:9000: "bake underwear into your skin"
[2014/11/04 13:00]  Ghaelen DLareh: Lag not bad
[2014/11/04 13:01]  Equus Staedler: Sit not working for me hehe...
[2014/11/04 13:01]  Equus Staedler: just arrived
[2014/11/04 13:01]  Fred.Appleby @hg.viewtwo.net:8654: My viewer is consuming 2.3GB (Firestorm)
[2014/11/04 13:01]  Aine.Caoimhe @aine.x64.me:10000: sometimes it also won't pick up the alpha layer
[2014/11/04 13:01]  Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: Path, that sounds painful :(
[2014/11/04 13:01]  Aine.Caoimhe @aine.x64.me:10000: it will on rebake
[2014/11/04 13:01]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: stable at about 400 connections
[2014/11/04 13:01]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: elevated ft but mvmt largely ok
[2014/11/04 13:01]  Andrew Hellershanks: I see clouds on all seats off the couches on stage
[2014/11/04 13:01]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: no significant chat lag at this time
[2014/11/04 13:02]  Pathfinder.Lester @pathlandia.dlinkddns.com:9000: test
[2014/11/04 13:02]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: yeah, unfortunately the bots on stage are apperance-less
[2014/11/04 13:02]  Nick Zwart: lag?
[2014/11/04 13:02]  Pathfinder.Lester @pathlandia.dlinkddns.com:9000: no chat lag
[2014/11/04 13:02]  Crista Lopes: the clouds are bots
[2014/11/04 13:02]  Ghaelen DLareh: The 'real' avies are all solid for me (so to speak)
[2014/11/04 13:03]  Frans Charming: Did everyone in the US vote yet? Its voting day right?
[2014/11/04 13:03]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: at some point unfortunately pCampbot will crash
[2014/11/04 13:03]  Ghaelen DLareh: and video is playing in KN3
[2014/11/04 13:03]  Crista Lopes: yes
[2014/11/04 13:03]  Crista Lopes: VOTE
[2014/11/04 13:03]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: at which point we will lag to hell
[2014/11/04 13:03]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: but performance is stable at 400 now, which is good
[2014/11/04 13:03]  Andrew Hellershanks: See you at the conference. I'm going to head off to get back to software documentation
[2014/11/04 13:03]  Ghaelen DLareh: now slide has changed
[2014/11/04 13:03]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: bye andrew
[2014/11/04 13:03]  Kayaker Magic: I saw a youtube page for a minute on the Big Screen
[2014/11/04 13:03]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: Vote Early - Vote Often :D
[2014/11/04 13:03]  Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: Vote Twice :)
[2014/11/04 13:04]  Andrew Hellershanks: See you at the conference
[2014/11/04 13:04]  Andrew Hellershanks waves
[2014/11/04 13:04]  Andrew Hellershanks is Offline
[2014/11/04 13:05]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: pCampbot failure
[2014/11/04 13:06]  Ai Austin: one of my viewers crashed
[2014/11/04 13:06]  Ghaelen DLareh is Offline
[2014/11/04 13:06]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: yeah and mass bot logoff
[2014/11/04 13:06]  Ai Austin: other continues to operate on same system
[2014/11/04 13:06]  Seth.Nygard @snpcgrid.strangled.net:9000: We didn't get kicked out this time
[2014/11/04 13:06]  Ai Austin: one on keynote 2 crashed. keynote 1 okay
[2014/11/04 13:07]  Kayaker Magic: 1:00PM local time, I have to get going in RL! Bye all. Replace me with a bot
[2014/11/04 13:07]  Marcus Llewellyn: I still see lots os ima_bots
[2014/11/04 13:07]  Seth.Nygard @snpcgrid.strangled.net:9000: Sim and Physics FPS has been pretty good eh whole time, more consistent than last time
[2014/11/04 13:07]  Ai Austin: Images at 406 avatars at http://blog.inf.ed.ac.uk/atate/2014/11/04/opensimulator-community-conference-2014-final-load-test/
[2014/11/04 13:07]  Equus Staedler: Found a free seat finally wow
[2014/11/04 13:07]  Marcus Llewellyn: 13:07
[2014/11/04 13:08]  James Abraham: ¡Qué bien!
[2014/11/04 13:09]  Ai Austin: got to go now - bye folks
[2014/11/04 13:09]  Ai Austin: well done
[2014/11/04 13:09]  Crista Lopes: ok I'm going to head off to Expo 1
[2014/11/04 13:09]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002 is Online
[2014/11/04 13:09]  Nebadon Izumi: see you Ai
[2014/11/04 13:09]  Nebadon Izumi: ok Crista
[2014/11/04 13:09]  Fleep Tuque: Thanks Austin!
[2014/11/04 13:09]  Ai Austin: bye
[2014/11/04 13:09]  Pathfinder.Lester @pathlandia.dlinkddns.com:9000 braces for impact
[2014/11/04 13:10]  Aine.Caoimhe @aine.x64.me:10000 straps on fluffy pillows
[2014/11/04 13:10]  Pathfinder.Lester @pathlandia.dlinkddns.com:9000: lol
[2014/11/04 13:10]  Aine.Caoimhe @aine.x64.me:10000: and averts eye from naked alien Justin
[2014/11/04 13:11]  Pathfinder.Lester @pathlandia.dlinkddns.com:9000: naked alien justin is the stuff of nightmares, indeed
[2014/11/04 13:11]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: oops :)
[2014/11/04 13:11]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: teehee
[2014/11/04 13:11]  Pathfinder.Lester @pathlandia.dlinkddns.com:9000: serious thigh gap
[2014/11/04 13:11]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: lol
[2014/11/04 13:11]  Fleep Tuque: http://www.ustream.tv/embed/15794797
[2014/11/04 13:11]  Arielle.Popstar @bound2.dyndns.org:8002: always thought Ruth had clothes glued on
[2014/11/04 13:11]  Mal Burns: ET with gentilia
[2014/11/04 13:11]  Nick Zwart: How many will there be at the opening here?
[2014/11/04 13:11]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: max cap is 400
[2014/11/04 13:12]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: though probably won't hit that due to no-shows
[2014/11/04 13:12]  Nick Zwart: right
[2014/11/04 13:12]  Arielle.Popstar @bound2.dyndns.org:8002: what was max attendance last year?
[2014/11/04 13:12]  Pathfinder.Lester @pathlandia.dlinkddns.com:9000: i'm watching a video of me watching a video...
[2014/11/04 13:12]  Marcus Llewellyn: lol
[2014/11/04 13:12]  Marcus Llewellyn: DOWN IN FRONT!
[2014/11/04 13:13]  vegaslon.plutonian @vegaslon.ddns.net:9000: wow I do not have any hair, who knew
[2014/11/04 13:14]  Arielle.Popstar @bound2.dyndns.org:8002: hair is upside down :)
[2014/11/04 13:14]  Nick Zwart: is there still some sound?
[2014/11/04 13:14]  Nebadon Izumi: http://www.ustream.tv/embed/1524?v=3&wmode=direct&autoplay=true
[2014/11/04 13:14]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: don't think so?
[2014/11/04 13:14]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: relogging bots at high speed now
[2014/11/04 13:15]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: 1 every 2 seconds
[2014/11/04 13:15]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: back to 252 so far
[2014/11/04 13:15]  Nick Zwart: I dont hear sound after logging in again
[2014/11/04 13:15]  Nick Zwart: in kn2
[2014/11/04 13:15]  Fleep Tuque: http://www.ustream.tv/embed/15794797?v=3&wmode=direct&autoplay=true
[2014/11/04 13:16]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: no sound yet
[2014/11/04 13:16]  Fleep Tuque: http://www.ustream.tv/embed/15794797?v=3&wmode=direct&autoplay=true
[2014/11/04 13:16]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: 321 connections
[2014/11/04 13:16]  Nick Zwart: nope
[2014/11/04 13:17]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: 350
[2014/11/04 13:17]  Fred.Appleby @hg.viewtwo.net:8654: People box lists 394 users
[2014/11/04 13:17]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: argh, kn1 bots crashed
[2014/11/04 13:18]  Equus Staedler: No sound and seemingly no one voice enabled. But I was very late here
[2014/11/04 13:18]  Nick Zwart: voice is not enabled
[2014/11/04 13:18]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: yeah, no voice atm
[2014/11/04 13:18]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: reonnect after an expected bot crash
[2014/11/04 13:18]  Fleep Tuque: Any humans in KN2, 3, or 4?
[2014/11/04 13:19]  Elmo.Figaro @hypergrid.org:8002: sure
[2014/11/04 13:19]  Sine Whatever: I am in KN2
[2014/11/04 13:19]  Fleep Tuque: Can you click on the video screen and see if the video plays?
[2014/11/04 13:19]  Nick Zwart: I am in kn2
[2014/11/04 13:19]  Elmo.Figaro @hypergrid.org:8002: KN3
[2014/11/04 13:19]  Equus Staedler: OK Justin
[2014/11/04 13:19]  Marcus Llewellyn: OSCC1 stream is live if you guys want to use that.
[2014/11/04 13:19]  Nick Zwart: I did
[2014/11/04 13:19]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: lol
[2014/11/04 13:19]  Nick Zwart: I hear sound via the ustream
[2014/11/04 13:19]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: cloud city
[2014/11/04 13:19]  Fleep Tuque: http://www.ustream.tv/embed/15794797?v=3&wmode=direct&autoplay=true
[2014/11/04 13:20]  Equus Staedler: Got libe stream going fine in external browser
[2014/11/04 13:20]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: 383 connections
[2014/11/04 13:20]  Elmo.Figaro @hypergrid.org:8002: video stream works at KN3
[2014/11/04 13:20]  Equus Staedler: *live
[2014/11/04 13:20]  Equus Staedler: KN 3
[2014/11/04 13:20]  Elmo.Figaro @hypergrid.org:8002: sound too
[2014/11/04 13:20]  Sine Whatever: working for me in KN2
[2014/11/04 13:21]  Sine Whatever: have video and audio
[2014/11/04 13:22]  Deanna.Janus @hypergrid.org:8002: MOAP has video and sound
[2014/11/04 13:22]  Mal Burns: video very laggy, showing ad and Learning Lab
[2014/11/04 13:22]  Mal Burns: kk - showing us now
[2014/11/04 13:22]  Nick Zwart: nothing here
[2014/11/04 13:22]  Elmo.Figaro @hypergrid.org:8002: sound gone at Ustream now?
[2014/11/04 13:22]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: 13:22
[2014/11/04 13:23]  Equus Staedler: Lost video and sound in live stream
[2014/11/04 13:23]  Mal Burns: have picture, no sound on ustream right now
[2014/11/04 13:23]  Deanna.Janus @hypergrid.org:8002: no sound in video now
[2014/11/04 13:23]  Equus Staedler: KN3
[2014/11/04 13:23]  Jak Daniels: same here
[2014/11/04 13:23]  Fred.Appleby @hg.viewtwo.net:8654: live stream via chrome working well
[2014/11/04 13:23]  Nick Zwart: strean is working but no sound there
[2014/11/04 13:23]  Equus Staedler: Video got going again but silent
[2014/11/04 13:23]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: can'#t quite get that 400th bot in.....
[2014/11/04 13:24]  Aine.Caoimhe @aine.x64.me:10000: each viewer seems to have its own way of interfacimg wioth OpenGL and results in quite different appearance, Neb
[2014/11/04 13:24]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002 nods
[2014/11/04 13:25]  Fred.Appleby @hg.viewtwo.net:8654: agree no audio via stream
[2014/11/04 13:25]  Aine.Caoimhe @aine.x64.me:10000: I have to check my regions on multiple viewers to check point light sources in particular
[2014/11/04 13:25]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: allegedly 400 but don't believe that much
[2014/11/04 13:25]  Fred.Appleby @hg.viewtwo.net:8654: I see 399 in people list, + /me
[2014/11/04 13:25]  Nick Zwart: 399
[2014/11/04 13:26]  Anne.Cordonnier @opensim2.u-strasbg.fr:8002: there was 400
[2014/11/04 13:26]  Deanna.Janus @hypergrid.org:8002: 399
[2014/11/04 13:26]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: shor freeze in kn1
[2014/11/04 13:26]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: lag
[2014/11/04 13:26]  Nick Zwart: yes lag
[2014/11/04 13:26]  Arielle.Popstar @login.greatcanadiangrid.ca:8002: 400
[2014/11/04 13:26]  Deanna.Janus @hypergrid.org:8002: yes
[2014/11/04 13:27]  Elmo.Figaro @hypergrid.org:8002: 10/142 in lower left corner of video screen, it means 10 see the video?
[2014/11/04 13:27]  Nick Zwart: yes
[2014/11/04 13:27]  Deanna.Janus @hypergrid.org:8002: 400, no sound, and lag
[2014/11/04 13:27]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: there was a significant lag spike just now
[2014/11/04 13:28]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: but I have a clue to the cause with some of my new debug tools
[2014/11/04 13:28]  Pathfinder.Lester @pathlandia.dlinkddns.com:9000: dang
[2014/11/04 13:28]  Nick Zwart: lucky you
[2014/11/04 13:28]  Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: bye all :)
[2014/11/04 13:28]  Pathfinder.Lester @pathlandia.dlinkddns.com:9000: i need a blimp!
[2014/11/04 13:28]  Arielle.Popstar @bound2.dyndns.org:8002: waves
[2014/11/04 13:28]  Nick Zwart: bye Dahlia
[2014/11/04 13:28]  Marcus Llewellyn: Trees!
[2014/11/04 13:28]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: bye dahlia
[2014/11/04 13:28]  Mal Burns: no you cant lol
[2014/11/04 13:28]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: By Dahlia
[2014/11/04 13:28]  Pathfinder.Lester @pathlandia.dlinkddns.com:9000: nice
[2014/11/04 13:28]  Elmo.Figaro @hypergrid.org:8002: so video is limited to 142 viewers
[2014/11/04 13:28]  Aine.Caoimhe @aine.x64.me:10000: bye Dahlia
[2014/11/04 13:28]  Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002 is Online
[2014/11/04 13:28]  Nick Zwart: yes that might be true
[2014/11/04 13:28]  Nick Zwart: 142
[2014/11/04 13:29]  Elmo.Figaro @hypergrid.org:8002: then 4 screns would be needed
[2014/11/04 13:29]  vegaslon.plutonian @vegaslon.ddns.net:9000: seen that on so many grids
[2014/11/04 13:30]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: 142?
[2014/11/04 13:30]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: to parcel media?
[2014/11/04 13:30]  Fleep Tuque: Who was saying video is limited?
[2014/11/04 13:30]  vegaslon.plutonian @vegaslon.ddns.net:9000: that was for the ustream
[2014/11/04 13:30]  Nick Zwart: 142 is the max ppl that can wathc the stream
[2014/11/04 13:30]  Fleep Tuque: ?
[2014/11/04 13:30]  Fleep Tuque: Why's that?
[2014/11/04 13:30]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: a free ustream?
[2014/11/04 13:30]  Nick Zwart: it says now 8/142
[2014/11/04 13:31]  Jak Daniels: 150 with 8 using it
[2014/11/04 13:31]  Fleep Tuque: Oh no, we're paying for channel so no worries
[2014/11/04 13:31]  Fleep Tuque: That
[2014/11/04 13:31]  Elmo.Figaro @hypergrid.org:8002: i see that left corner of Ustream live screen, 8/142 now
[2014/11/04 13:31]  Fleep Tuque: s just temporary
[2014/11/04 13:31]  Marcus Llewellyn: 142 is just how many have seen it recently.
[2014/11/04 13:31]  Frans Charming: 142 was porbably the maximum ever
[2014/11/04 13:31]  Mal Burns: inspired by twitter no doubt
[2014/11/04 13:31]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: this is why the conference needs money... ;)
[2014/11/04 13:31]  Nick Zwart: ahhhhhhh
[2014/11/04 13:31]  Fleep Tuque: I think that's the max that has ever viewed it concurrently
[2014/11/04 13:31]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: f you have a basic (free) account there is no limitation on the number of the viewers or viewer hours. The cost of streaming on a free account is offset by in-video advertisements.
[2014/11/04 13:31]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: or a very small part of it
[2014/11/04 13:31]  Jak Daniels: 142 is the number of slots left
[2014/11/04 13:31]  Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002 is Offline
[2014/11/04 13:31]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002 nods
[2014/11/04 13:31]  Frans Charming: the other keynotes don't hear you
[2014/11/04 13:31]  Fleep Tuque: And in any case we're paying for ad free streams this year. (Thank you crowdfunder peeps!)
[2014/11/04 13:32]  Fleep Tuque: :)
[2014/11/04 13:32]  Fleep Tuque: So there will be no ads for the conference
[2014/11/04 13:32]  Marcus Llewellyn: OSCC1 says 554. So.... heh
[2014/11/04 13:32]  Nick Zwart: When you hover over the 142 it sayssomething
[2014/11/04 13:32]  Nick Zwart: time watched
[2014/11/04 13:32]  Elmo.Figaro @hypergrid.org:8002: ah yes, total times viewed it says
[2014/11/04 13:32]  Nick Zwart: times watched
[2014/11/04 13:33]  Nick Zwart: viewed
[2014/11/04 13:33]  Nick Zwart: Sorry, I see it in Dutch
[2014/11/04 13:33]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: lol
[2014/11/04 13:33]  Elmo.Figaro @hypergrid.org:8002: me too
[2014/11/04 13:33]  Frans Charming: :)
[2014/11/04 13:33]  Nick Zwart: 142 totaal aantal keren bekeken
[2014/11/04 13:33]  Elmo.Figaro @hypergrid.org:8002: yes
[2014/11/04 13:33]  vegaslon.plutonian @vegaslon.ddns.net:9000: so predictable
[2014/11/04 13:34]  Nick Zwart: heard something
[2014/11/04 13:34]  Marcus Llewellyn: Fly my monkeys!
[2014/11/04 13:34]  Nick Zwart: Oh, that is advertising
[2014/11/04 13:36]  Nick Zwart: Am I still here?
[2014/11/04 13:36]  Frans Charming: Yes Nick
[2014/11/04 13:36]  Elmo.Figaro @hypergrid.org:8002: yes
[2014/11/04 13:36]  Nick Zwart: ok thanks
[2014/11/04 13:36]  Frans Charming: Geen dank
[2014/11/04 13:36]  Nick Zwart: Hee Frnas
[2014/11/04 13:36]  Nick Zwart: Frans
[2014/11/04 13:36]  Frans Charming: :P
[2014/11/04 13:36]  Arielle.Popstar @bound2.dyndns.org:8002: ok yes, not spotting her
[2014/11/04 13:36]  Pathfinder.Lester @pathlandia.dlinkddns.com:9000: take care, folks
[2014/11/04 13:37]  Fleep Tuque: Thank you everyone!
[2014/11/04 13:37]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: test over, disconnecting bots
[2014/11/04 13:37]  Mal Burns: Bye Path
[2014/11/04 13:37]  Aine.Caoimhe @aine.x64.me:10000: okies....bye all....
[2014/11/04 13:37]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: thanks a lot for coming everyone
[2014/11/04 13:37]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: good performance today - didn't see same issues as sat
[2014/11/04 13:37]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: some things to improve but need to be super cautious now
[2014/11/04 13:37]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: would be so easy to introduce a critical bug
[2014/11/04 13:37]  Seth.Nygard @snpcgrid.strangled.net:9000: Great job on the performance improvements, thanks you and I look forward to seeing the changes over the coming months as they get done in the main branch.
[2014/11/04 13:37]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: yep, I'll be very pleased to get these back into master
[2014/11/04 13:37]  Frans Charming: yay
[2014/11/04 13:38]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: that's part of the whole point and maintaining another branch is a pain
[2014/11/04 13:38]  Frans Charming: yea I checked
[2014/11/04 13:39]  Seth.Nygard @snpcgrid.strangled.net:9000: have a great day everyone
[2014/11/04 13:39]  Mal Burns: make sure web site links to channels are set to target "self" - nothing worse than lots of tabs with autoplay enabled together
[2014/11/04 13:39]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: disconn 1
[2014/11/04 13:39]  Sun Tzu is Online
[2014/11/04 13:39]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: back to 70 total
[2014/11/04 13:39]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: some elevation of ft on kn1
[2014/11/04 13:39]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: returning to normal though
[2014/11/04 13:40]  Mal Burns: 1280 by 720
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