[Opensim-users] Hypergrid Outbound Probs & HG Address Confusion

Fri Sep 23 03:06:42 UTC 2011

Well done Mimetic :)

On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 9:42 PM, Mimetic Core <core at odosys.net> wrote:

> **
> Fleep,
>
> Here's my personal understandings and opinions on your first question:
>
> The only straightforward solution (afaik) would be to create a new viewer
> framework from the ground up with code written in bias of OpenSim's unique
> properties.  Considering how much time and effort is required to develop and
> maintain the current viewers and that it's almost completely done on a
> non-paying volunteer basis, it's safe to say that it will be some time until
> the problem is completely resolved.  If there's anyone here who's a crack
> coder working on a secret viewer, please speak up and set my timeline
> straight.
>
> Now, as for grid locations - I completely respect the concept of moving
> grids below 4096, but I also happen to share an opinion (and not a popular
> one) that 10000, 10000 should be the default location around which all grids
> *interested in being part of the hypergrid community* should congregate.
> This is because OSGrid is centered there and has been - long before HG was
> introduced.  For myself and many others it is (and always will be) the
> center of the known metaverse.  Since it's also the development grid for
> OpenSim itself why not make it home base?  I understand some people aren't
> necessarily fond of OSGrid for it's non-uniform nature, some have never
> visited or have only limited knowledge of its inner workings and others are
> looking for grids with a currency system geared for fame and fortune.
> However, there a few aspects of OSGrid which make it the ideal Hypergrid
> nexus:
>
> 1. It's completely free and open, even in it's content and services.
> Anyone can land there, pick up a folder load of freebies, meet people who
> can answer technical questions and hyperjump to many interesting locations.
>
> 2. It offers OpenSim newcomers a chance to connect to a functioning grid
> and learn the basic ins and outs of roll your own regions before striking
> out on their own and setting up standalone grids.
>
> 3. Barring a major malfunction of the main servers, there will always be
> some part of OSGrid up and running.  This is not always the case with
> independent grids as we've all experienced.
>
> 4. Given the first three points and probably several other benefits that go
> unmentioned, it would be far easier for people to relocate their grids (of
> considerably less size and complexity) closer to OSGrid than the other way
> around.
>
> This is *my* reason for placing my grid around 8000, 8000 and I know there
> are others who do likewise.  If grid owners/managers prefer to remain below
> 4096 they can and should place intermediate jump parcels accordingly.
> What's one extra jump in the entire process?  I've taken the subway to and
> from work and other locations for years with line changes as part of my
> daily commute.  My only other option would be to move closer to work - I
> choose not to. I guess I view that and hypergrid travel in the same light -
> an invaluable convenience, imperfect in it's design, but unmatched by any
> alternatives within the given framework.
>
> Just my 0.02 USD ;)
>
> - core
>
>
> On 9/22/2011 11:56 AM, Fleep Tuque wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
>  I'm having some trouble hypergridding FROM FleepGrid, though it appears
> many folks are able to hypergrid TO FleepGrid just fine.  In testing, I've
> not yet been able to successfully hypergrid out of FleepGrid to any
> destination, and I'm having a lot of confusion about the 4096 limitation to
> figure out suitable grids/regions to try to teleport to so I can chase down
> what's going wrong.
>
>  In the course of trying to chase down the problem, I've got several
> questions that I'm hoping someone on the list can either answer or point me
> to better resources for finding the answers.
>
>  QUESTION 1:  I understand Diva is encouraging everyone to relocate their
> sims to centers less than 4096,4096 and I understand why based on this blog
> post - The 4096 "Bug": http://metaverseink.com/blog/?p=222  It appears
> many people are NOT changing their coords to the lower centers, is there a
> reason why?  If I'm reading Diva's post correctly, the limitation is not
> going to go away any time soon so I'm wondering why folks aren't changing
> them to make hypergridding easier for travelers..  I haven't changed them on
> FleepGrid yet either (9000,9000) and trying to decide what's the best course
> to take both for FleepGrid and for the University of Cincinnati grid we're
> about to install.
>
>  QUESTION 2:  If people aren't going to change to lower centers, then
> don't we all need to publish the region centers in addition to the HG
> address in order for travelers to know whether they can make the jump or
> not?  I'm finding http://www.hyperica.com/complete-grid-list/ completely
> unhelpful as a directory because I don't know the region centers or
>  opensim/hg versions for most of the destinations.  So when my jump fails, I
> don't know if it's a problem on my end or because the region was too far
> away or because it's on a different version than me.   The Hypergrid Mall is
> another example, http://hypergridmall.com/ - Right on the front page it
> has the hypergrid address, but no center coords or version info, so when my
> jump fails, I don't know why.
>
>  QUESTION 3:  I'm completely confused about the correct formatting for a
> hypergrid URL.  I've seen so many variations!
>
>  secondlife://domain.com:8002:RegionName
> http://domain.com:8002:RegionName
> http://hg.domain.com:8002:RegionName
>
>  Also not sure about proper formatting for region names with spaces in
> them, is a "%20" required or not?  Which of the following is correct?
>
>  http://domain.com:8002:Region%20Name
> http://domain.com:8002:Region Name
> http://domain.com:8002: Region Name
>
>
>  QUESTION 4:  FleepGrid is running OpenSim 0.7.1 Release (interface
> version 7) and FleepGrid Plaza is centered at 9000,9000 currently, but I
> also have a Hypergate region at 5000,5000 and 13000,13000.  If you're
> running a compatible version of opensim and theoretically I SHOULD be able
> to hypergrid to your destination, can you reply with the address so I can
> give it a try on a known "should work" region?  I'm finding so many broken
> addresses and links and things I'm going crazy trying to figure out what's
> wrong with hypergridding out.
>
>  ................
>
>  I've reviewed the wiki pages http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Hypergrid and
> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Installing_and_Running_Hypergrid but I'm
> obviously still confused about some things.
>
>  Thanks in advance for your thoughts or suggestions, and sorry if I'm
> behind the curve..
>
>  - Chris/Fleep
>
>
>  Chris M. Collins (SL: Fleep Tuque)
> Project Manager, UC Second Life
> UCit Instructional & Research Computing
> University of Cincinnati
> 406E Zimmer Hall
> PO Box 210088
> Cincinnati, OH 45221-0088
> (513)556-3018
> chris.collins at uc.edu
>
>  http://www.uc.edu/ucit/learningtools/secondlife.html
>
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