Well done Mimetic :)<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 9:42 PM, Mimetic Core <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:core@odosys.net">core@odosys.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<u></u>
<div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
Fleep,<br>
<br>
Here's my personal understandings and opinions on your first question:<br>
<br>
The only straightforward solution (afaik) would be to create a new
viewer framework from the ground up with code written in bias of
OpenSim's unique properties. Considering how much time and effort is
required to develop and maintain the current viewers and that it's
almost completely done on a non-paying volunteer basis, it's safe to
say that it will be some time until the problem is completely
resolved. If there's anyone here who's a crack coder working on a
secret viewer, please speak up and set my timeline straight.<br>
<br>
Now, as for grid locations - I completely respect the concept of moving
grids below 4096, but I also happen to share an opinion (and not a
popular one) that 10000, 10000 should be the default location around
which all grids <i>interested in being part of the hypergrid community</i>
should congregate. This is because OSGrid is centered there and has
been - long before HG was introduced. For myself and many others it is
(and always will be) the center of the known metaverse. Since it's
also the development grid for OpenSim itself why not make it home
base? I understand some people aren't necessarily fond of OSGrid for
it's non-uniform nature, some have never visited or have only limited
knowledge of its inner workings and others are looking for grids with a
currency system geared for fame and fortune. However, there a few
aspects of OSGrid which make it the ideal Hypergrid nexus:<br>
<br>
1. It's completely free and open, even in it's content and services.
Anyone can land there, pick up a folder load of freebies, meet people
who can answer technical questions and hyperjump to many interesting
locations.<br>
<br>
2. It offers OpenSim newcomers a chance to connect to a functioning
grid and learn the basic ins and outs of roll your own regions before
striking out on their own and setting up standalone grids.<br>
<br>
3. Barring a major malfunction of the main servers, there will always
be some part of OSGrid up and running. This is not always the case
with independent grids as we've all experienced.<br>
<br>
4. Given the first three points and probably several other benefits
that go unmentioned, it would be far easier for people to relocate
their grids (of considerably less size and complexity) closer to OSGrid
than the other way around.<br>
<br>
This is <i>my</i> reason for placing my grid around 8000, 8000 and I
know there are others who do likewise. If grid owners/managers prefer
to remain below 4096 they can and should place intermediate jump
parcels accordingly. What's one extra jump in the entire process?
I've taken the subway to and from work and other locations for years
with line changes as part of my daily commute. My only other option
would be to move closer to work - I choose not to. I guess I view that
and hypergrid travel in the same light - an invaluable convenience,
imperfect in it's design, but unmatched by any alternatives within the
given framework.<br>
<br>
Just my 0.02 USD ;)<br>
<br>
- core<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
<br>
On 9/22/2011 11:56 AM, Fleep Tuque wrote:
</div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div></div><div class="h5">Hi all,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I'm having some trouble hypergridding FROM FleepGrid, though it
appears many folks are able to hypergrid TO FleepGrid just fine. In
testing, I've not yet been able to successfully hypergrid out of
FleepGrid to any destination, and I'm having a lot of confusion about
the 4096 limitation to figure out suitable grids/regions to try to
teleport to so I can chase down what's going wrong.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>In the course of trying to chase down the problem, I've got
several questions that I'm hoping someone on the list can either answer
or point me to better resources for finding the answers.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>QUESTION 1: I understand Diva is encouraging everyone to
relocate their sims to centers less than 4096,4096 and I understand why
based on this blog post - The 4096 "Bug": <a href="http://metaverseink.com/blog/?p=222" target="_blank">http://metaverseink.com/blog/?p=222</a> It
appears many people are NOT changing their coords to the lower centers,
is there a reason why? If I'm reading Diva's post correctly, the
limitation is not going to go away any time soon so I'm wondering why
folks aren't changing them to make hypergridding easier for travelers..
I haven't changed them on FleepGrid yet either (9000,9000) and trying
to decide what's the best course to take both for FleepGrid and for the
University of Cincinnati grid we're about to install.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>QUESTION 2: If people aren't going to change to lower centers,
then don't we all need to publish the region centers in addition to the
HG address in order for travelers to know whether they can make the
jump or not? I'm finding <a href="http://www.hyperica.com/complete-grid-list/" target="_blank">http://www.hyperica.com/complete-grid-list/</a> completely
unhelpful as a directory because I don't know the region centers or
opensim/hg versions for most of the destinations. So when my jump
fails, I don't know if it's a problem on my end or because the region
was too far away or because it's on a different version than me. The
Hypergrid Mall is another example, <a href="http://hypergridmall.com/" target="_blank">http://hypergridmall.com/</a> - Right
on the front page it has the hypergrid address, but no center coords or
version info, so when my jump fails, I don't know why.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>QUESTION 3: I'm completely confused about the correct
formatting for a hypergrid URL. I've seen so many variations! </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><a>secondlife://domain.com:8002:RegionName</a></div>
<div><a href="http://domain.com:8002:RegionName" target="_blank">http://domain.com:8002:RegionName</a></div>
<div><a href="http://hg.domain.com:8002:RegionName" target="_blank">http://hg.domain.com:8002:RegionName</a></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>Also not sure about proper formatting for region names with
spaces in them, is a "%20" required or not? Which of the following is
correct?</div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><a href="http://domain.com:8002:Region%20Name" target="_blank">http://domain.com:8002:Region%20Name</a></div>
<div><a href="http://domain.com:8002:Region" target="_blank">http://domain.com:8002:Region</a> Name</div>
<div><a href="http://domain.com:8002" target="_blank">http://domain.com:8002</a>:
Region Name</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>QUESTION 4: FleepGrid is running OpenSim 0.7.1 Release
(interface version 7) and FleepGrid Plaza is centered at 9000,9000
currently, but I also have a Hypergate region at 5000,5000 and
13000,13000. If you're running a compatible version of opensim and
theoretically I SHOULD be able to hypergrid to your destination, can
you reply with the address so I can give it a try on a known "should
work" region? I'm finding so many broken addresses and links and
things I'm going crazy trying to figure out what's wrong with
hypergridding out.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>................</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I've reviewed the wiki pages <a href="http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Hypergrid" target="_blank">http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Hypergrid</a> and <a href="http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Installing_and_Running_Hypergrid" target="_blank">http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Installing_and_Running_Hypergrid</a> but
I'm obviously still confused about some things. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks in advance for your thoughts or suggestions, and sorry if
I'm behind the curve..</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>- Chris/Fleep</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Chris M. Collins (SL: Fleep Tuque)</div>
<div>Project Manager, UC Second Life </div>
<div>UCit Instructional & Research Computing</div>
<div>University of Cincinnati </div>
<div>406E Zimmer Hall</div>
<div>PO Box 210088</div>
<div>Cincinnati, OH 45221-0088</div>
<div><a href="tel:%28513%29556-3018" value="+15135563018" target="_blank">(513)556-3018</a></div>
<div><a href="mailto:chris.collins@uc.edu" target="_blank">chris.collins@uc.edu</a></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><a href="http://www.uc.edu/ucit/learningtools/secondlife.html" target="_blank">http://www.uc.edu/ucit/learningtools/secondlife.html</a></div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div></div><pre><fieldset></fieldset>
_______________________________________________
Opensim-users mailing list
<div class="im"><a href="mailto:Opensim-users@lists.berlios.de" target="_blank">Opensim-users@lists.berlios.de</a>
<a href="https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users" target="_blank">https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users</a>
</div></pre>
</blockquote>
<br>
</div>
<br>_______________________________________________<br>
Opensim-users mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:Opensim-users@lists.berlios.de">Opensim-users@lists.berlios.de</a><br>
<a href="https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users" target="_blank">https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users</a><br>
<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>===================================<br><a href="http://simhost.com" target="_blank">http://simhost.com</a><br><a href="http://twitter.com/jstallings2" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/jstallings2</a><br>
<a href="http://www.linkedin.com/pub/5/770/a49" target="_blank">http://www.linkedin.com/pub/5/770/a49</a><br>