[Opensim-users] Speaking of Content Theft, How About Our Own Backyard?

Thu Feb 25 06:47:05 UTC 2010

Ah gee...  I need to play around with Meerkat again some I guess.  Since I
got my rocks off with CryoGen I've not spent much time with other viewers
but I do remember messing with some of what you mention in Meerkat.  Maybe I
should flirt around with Meerkat again.

On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 11:53 PM, Karen Palen <karen_palen at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I haven't needed to do this in some time, but I think Meerkat will do a
> pretty good job of that. Naturally it does check for permissions and
> ownership, but everything I have wanted to move I built myself.
>
> Meerkat won't do nested prims, but it does seem to copy just about anything
> you select together with all of the associated textures. It them replicates
> them all onto a blank region in my own sim.
>
> Naturally once it is my own sim it is not hard to group things in some
> logical order to save into the inventory.
>
> Karen
>
> --- On Wed, 2/24/10, Len Brown <lenwbrown at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > From: Len Brown <lenwbrown at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Speaking of Content Theft, How About Our Own
>  Backyard?
> > To: opensim-users at lists.berlios.de
> > Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 10:41 PM
> > I see what you're saying.  I think the
> > positive side here is that in order to make pirating the end
> > product less palatable is to apply a good dose of salt and
> > vinegar to the meal.  But incorporating a system of checks
> > and balances into the core prims in use, it makes it more
> > difficult to strip from that anything even remotely useful.
> >
> >
> > There is one thing I have employed in-world in Second Life
> > that has worked tremendously well without any additional
> > resources:
> >
> > When I rezz a large build into the virtual world I then
> > select the object and then unlink everything.  For a large
> > build of, say 500 prims, this leaves the object fully
> > recognizable in-world and usable.  But the object is now
> > 500 individual pieces.
> >
> >
> > Through my own experimentation and what I've learned
> > from others, there does not (yet) exist a hacked viewer
> > capable of letting the end user select a large group of
> > unlinked prims and replicate them as a whole.  I'm
> > certain that will eventually change, but for now it serves
> > as a 100% fool-proof method for me to prevent others from
> > copying my builds.
> >
> >
> > At some point I guestimate there will be a viewer that will
> > permit someone to teleport into the center of a region and
> > then the entire region, land, all items, textures - you name
> > it - will be ripped out and saved along the lines of our
> > present OAR packaging system.
> >
> >
> > Just my 2 cents.
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 10:55 PM,
> > John Mieske <johnmieske at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Ok.. I have an idea..  not sure how possible this is..
> >  so this is a long shot....  I know in SL you can create a
> > script that gets the persons UUID. That ID in turn can be
> > used in conjunction with your items and in SL it is what
> > safe guards your inventory to a small degree.  It also
> > shows who the creator and owner is. Now these guys who
> > upload the content, they get it and attempt to upload to OSG
> > for example. Now what if on the website OSG had a way to
> > create the user with the UUID from SL, IF they are using a
> > name from SL. In turn the UUID would store that users UUID
> > in the "new" database that would be the same one
> > from SL. Now..  for the sake of argument, there would be a
> > check mark you as a newbie can click to show your using a
> > name from SL.  Now if that person who did not check mark
> > that cannot upload content already made. ( accept textures
> > and sounds which there is NO WAY to safeguard against. But
> > all other content will have been made from a grid other then
> > OSG can show this. If the content from OSG is made then
> > another type of perms is set so that you must have a UUID
> > attached on each file if you want to re-upload it..
> >
> >
> > Maybe I am saying it wrong and I know i'm
> > exhaustedly tired right now.  But can anyone get an idea of
> > what i'm saying here ?
> > John
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 11:45 PM,
> > Master_Mirage <mirage123 at verizon.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Sadly like so many schemes that only works until some crook
> > fakes the "do
> >
> > not copy flag" or something similar.
> >
> >
> >
> > Even something which is a "closely held" as the
> > IPod has similar problems. I
> >
> > did a search for Ipod apps on Pirate Bay the other day.
> >
> >
> >
> > They are always a good check of what works and what
> > doesn't!
> >
> >
> >
> > I found more than 1000 items, including all kinds of MP3s,
> > software, and
> >
> > "hacks"!
> >
> >
> >
> > Many many very competent people have worked on Digital
> > Rights Management
> >
> > (DRM), but as far as I know there has never been any
> > solution worth the
> >
> > trouble and hassle involved!
> >
> >
> >
> > That doesn't stop the snake oil salesman from claiming
> > to have "the
> >
> > ultimate" solution of course.We are seeing that on
> > Second Life right now.
> >
> >
> >
> > Karen
> >
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > I agree to a point. I tend to think in terms if asked
> > "What have i done as a
> >
> > grid oper. to help stop the spread of stolen content?"
> > I have nothing to
> >
> > show them sadly and thats scary as hell to me!
> >
> > If as a grid op i can at least show a good faith attemp at
> > prevention and
> >
> > away to track it quickly to the user that broght it in. Id
> > feel alot better
> >
> > and prob. the users would be alot happyer knowing it too.
> >
> >
> >
> > Something at this point is better than nothing i think.
> >
> > :-)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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