[Opensim-users] Speaking of Content Theft, How About Our Own Backyard?

Wed Feb 24 23:25:22 UTC 2010

exactly.. when I build for others now its because i enjoy to see my work out
there. :)

On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 6:14 PM, Tarak Kutther <tarakk at gmail.com> wrote:

> Frankly everything I make in SL ro OSGrid is free, full permissions.
> Generally when I box them, the boxes include separate full perm copies of
> scripts and textures. I find that gets over my concerns of people copying my
> work - I'm just thrilled to see others getting a use of it and modifying it
> - if someone wants to rebrand and sell it, thats OK, good luck to them -
> I've got plenty of other Ideas and designs that are on the boil.
>
> On 25 February 2010 03:14, John Mieske <johnmieske at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Ok I think there is a missunderstanding here. i'm not saying anything
>> about the legalities of it as you are. I am saying this is what happens..
>>  Again, if I don't care for something to get stolen then i'll put it out
>> there, otherwise I am wasting time to secure it. You can never secure
>> anything you put on the net.. bottom line as I repeat that if someone wants
>> anything on this planet bad enough, they can eventually succeed at it.
>>
>> On a positive note though, if you can sue the guy / gal then hey, ::
>> dances :: here comes the money.. here comes the money...  hahahahaha
>>
>> john
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Michael Cortez <mcortez at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Len Brown <lenwbrown at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >      Sadly, there's not a single thing she can do.
>>> >
>>>
>>> Actually, technically there is.  Every writer or photographer since
>>> copyright laws went into affect can file a lawsuit against anyone who
>>> plagiarizes their content and since the introduction of the DMCA they
>>> have a certain level of recourse in compelling the service providers
>>> that host infringing material to reveal what identify information they
>>> have on file for someone illegitimately using their copy-written
>>> material.
>>>
>>> It's probably not worth the cost of the time and effort needed for it
>>> to come to fruition, and it would likely only result in the offenders
>>> removing her copy-written material with no way of getting monetary
>>> damages or recouping legal fees.
>>>
>>>
>>> on Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 5:57 PM John Mieske <johnmieske at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > three years ago, I started to just give stuff away. I realized there is
>>> no way to secure
>>> > your items you try to sell in SL or in anything online social network
>>> now days. Not
>>> > enough money in it and pirateers will always.. and I do mean ALWAYS
>>> find a way if
>>> > they want it bad enough. The way I personally look at it, if you don't
>>> mind your stuff
>>> > getting stolen then put it out there, otherwise your just wasting time
>>> trying to secure
>>> > it.
>>>
>>> For some reason I have never really been able to agree with this
>>> particular point of view.
>>>
>>> Photographers, writers, music, radio, television and movie producers
>>> have all been subject to people copying their content, using it in
>>> ways they never intended, giving free copies away, selling duplicates,
>>> or even plagiarizing, often without the original creator getting
>>> credit.
>>>
>>> Yet for some reason when someone fails at any of the businesses
>>> associated with these types of products, the fact that their
>>> intellectual property can (and will be) illegally copied, is rarely
>>> cited as the primary reason for failure to be profitable, become well
>>> known, or help out your fellow man (depending on your original goals.)
>>>
>>> With proper marketing making it easy for people to find you, with good
>>> pricing so that your competitive, with support that makes it clear
>>> it's better to use your direct products rather than knock offs or
>>> copies, with continued innovation of new products and services it is
>>> possible to not only make a profit, but to make a living producing
>>> material than can (and will be) stolen.
>>>
>>> Yes, I'll admit there are many out there that wish they could
>>> create/invent a handful of items and through the patent, copyright, or
>>> trademark laws be able to sell their creation without the associated
>>> business costs of dealing with copy cats and thieves, so that they can
>>> make profit from their intellectual property in perpetuity.  But the
>>> simple fact of the matter is, that type of business climate started
>>> slipping away in the 40's and is increasingly difficult to achieve.
>>> Especially in a digital market place, where it is relatively easy for
>>> your IP to be stolen.
>>>
>>> For me it's not really so much "if you don't mind your stuff getting
>>> stolen" -- I don't really think anyone likes to have their stuff
>>> stolen.  For me it's more about recognizing the market place, and the
>>> requirements and repercussions of doing business in that market, and
>>> making an informed decision to compete or not.
>>>
>>> On a personal note, I think a lot of the artists could make quite a
>>> bit of additional profit bylicensing their textures and creations via
>>> a normal web site, using paypal, that does not directly target SL or
>>> any particular Grid.  I have for example, tracked down an artist that
>>> sells textures via TRU (who has a strict no non-SL policy), and found
>>> that the artist licensing their own textures via the web for use
>>> *anywhere* and doesn't even mention SL on their website.  The web site
>>> happens to directly mention Poser/Daz3D, game and 3D content
>>> developers.  I was more than willing to pay $30/USD to buy their
>>> texture pack outside SL, and as per the terms of the license I can use
>>> those anywhere (including in SL or OSGrid) as long as I don't
>>> redistribute them as a texture pack -- I'm free to use them on my own
>>> creations, even if I'm selling them.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> --
>>> Michael
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>>
>>
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