[Opensim-users] Speaking of Content Theft, How About Our Own Backyard?
Steve
steveamigauk at yahoo.co.uk
Wed Feb 24 23:52:41 UTC 2010
Fortunately for me, the only building and paying venture I have in SL
requires a custom build for each location and script tweaking. If
someone wants to pinch it, they are probably going to have to put more
effort in than making it from scratch.
On 24/02/2010 11:25 PM, John Mieske wrote:
> exactly.. when I build for others now its because i enjoy to see my
> work out there. :)
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 6:14 PM, Tarak Kutther <tarakk at gmail.com
> <mailto:tarakk at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Frankly everything I make in SL ro OSGrid is free, full
> permissions. Generally when I box them, the boxes include separate
> full perm copies of scripts and textures. I find that gets over my
> concerns of people copying my work - I'm just thrilled to see
> others getting a use of it and modifying it - if someone wants to
> rebrand and sell it, thats OK, good luck to them - I've got plenty
> of other Ideas and designs that are on the boil.
>
> On 25 February 2010 03:14, John Mieske <johnmieske at gmail.com
> <mailto:johnmieske at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Ok I think there is a missunderstanding here. i'm not saying
> anything about the legalities of it as you are. I am saying
> this is what happens.. Again, if I don't care for something
> to get stolen then i'll put it out there, otherwise I am
> wasting time to secure it. You can never secure anything you
> put on the net.. bottom line as I repeat that if someone wants
> anything on this planet bad enough, they can eventually
> succeed at it.
>
> On a positive note though, if you can sue the guy / gal then
> hey, :: dances :: here comes the money.. here comes the
> money... hahahahaha
>
> john
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Michael Cortez
> <mcortez at gmail.com <mailto:mcortez at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Len Brown
> <lenwbrown at gmail.com <mailto:lenwbrown at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > Sadly, there's not a single thing she can do.
> >
>
> Actually, technically there is. Every writer or
> photographer since
> copyright laws went into affect can file a lawsuit against
> anyone who
> plagiarizes their content and since the introduction of
> the DMCA they
> have a certain level of recourse in compelling the service
> providers
> that host infringing material to reveal what identify
> information they
> have on file for someone illegitimately using their
> copy-written
> material.
>
> It's probably not worth the cost of the time and effort
> needed for it
> to come to fruition, and it would likely only result in
> the offenders
> removing her copy-written material with no way of getting
> monetary
> damages or recouping legal fees.
>
>
> on Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 5:57 PM John Mieske
> <johnmieske at gmail.com <mailto:johnmieske at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > three years ago, I started to just give stuff away. I
> realized there is no way to secure
> > your items you try to sell in SL or in anything online
> social network now days. Not
> > enough money in it and pirateers will always.. and I do
> mean ALWAYS find a way if
> > they want it bad enough. The way I personally look at
> it, if you don't mind your stuff
> > getting stolen then put it out there, otherwise your
> just wasting time trying to secure
> > it.
>
> For some reason I have never really been able to agree
> with this
> particular point of view.
>
> Photographers, writers, music, radio, television and movie
> producers
> have all been subject to people copying their content,
> using it in
> ways they never intended, giving free copies away, selling
> duplicates,
> or even plagiarizing, often without the original creator
> getting
> credit.
>
> Yet for some reason when someone fails at any of the
> businesses
> associated with these types of products, the fact that their
> intellectual property can (and will be) illegally copied,
> is rarely
> cited as the primary reason for failure to be profitable,
> become well
> known, or help out your fellow man (depending on your
> original goals.)
>
> With proper marketing making it easy for people to find
> you, with good
> pricing so that your competitive, with support that makes
> it clear
> it's better to use your direct products rather than knock
> offs or
> copies, with continued innovation of new products and
> services it is
> possible to not only make a profit, but to make a living
> producing
> material than can (and will be) stolen.
>
> Yes, I'll admit there are many out there that wish they could
> create/invent a handful of items and through the patent,
> copyright, or
> trademark laws be able to sell their creation without the
> associated
> business costs of dealing with copy cats and thieves, so
> that they can
> make profit from their intellectual property in
> perpetuity. But the
> simple fact of the matter is, that type of business
> climate started
> slipping away in the 40's and is increasingly difficult to
> achieve.
> Especially in a digital market place, where it is
> relatively easy for
> your IP to be stolen.
>
> For me it's not really so much "if you don't mind your
> stuff getting
> stolen" -- I don't really think anyone likes to have their
> stuff
> stolen. For me it's more about recognizing the market
> place, and the
> requirements and repercussions of doing business in that
> market, and
> making an informed decision to compete or not.
>
> On a personal note, I think a lot of the artists could
> make quite a
> bit of additional profit bylicensing their textures and
> creations via
> a normal web site, using paypal, that does not directly
> target SL or
> any particular Grid. I have for example, tracked down an
> artist that
> sells textures via TRU (who has a strict no non-SL
> policy), and found
> that the artist licensing their own textures via the web
> for use
> *anywhere* and doesn't even mention SL on their website.
> The web site
> happens to directly mention Poser/Daz3D, game and 3D content
> developers. I was more than willing to pay $30/USD to buy
> their
> texture pack outside SL, and as per the terms of the
> license I can use
> those anywhere (including in SL or OSGrid) as long as I don't
> redistribute them as a texture pack -- I'm free to use
> them on my own
> creations, even if I'm selling them.
>
> Cheers,
> --
> Michael
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