[Opensim-dev] Some thought about OpenSim Wiki future

Wed Aug 3 18:13:11 UTC 2011

Ah, I should have checked archive page
https://lists.berlios.de/pipermail/opensim-dev/2011-August/thread.html

oh, shame...

2011/8/4 Makiko Nomura (Makopoppo) <nomura.makiko at googlemail.com>

> Thank you for telling me, and sorry for duplicate posting.
> I remember I have clicked "post" at least ten times, but you only have 5
> copies.
>
> Just for reference, can you tell me each header of each copy?
>
> # I suspect I can't post from synonym addresses or another another names
> than I have registered...
> # One of them should have kanji name on it, if I have succeeded in posting
> every times.
>
>
> 2011/8/4 Melanie <melanie at t-data.com>
>
>> Please only post once. You don't get a copy of your own emails and I
>> have five copies by now. If you want a copy of your own emails you
>> would have to change that setting. Normally your emails are not
>> echoed to you.
>>
>> Melanie
>>
>> On 03/08/2011 19:43, Makiko Nomura (Makopoppo) wrote:
>> > Sorry if I have posted again and again - I can't still see my post in my
>> > mail client... I remember I have clicked "sent" at least ten times
>> before I
>> > received the mail from dahila.
>> >
>> >>Which page(s) are you considering replacing? Or are you suggesting
>> adding
>> > pages which define a user, in addition to the existing wiki pages which
>> > describe OpenSimulator?
>> >
>> > We are considering "refactoring" of wiki as a whole. Each contents won't
>> be
>> > changed for now, just  the moving of existing page would be the start
>> point.
>> > Old page will maybe redirected, if actually move on.
>> >
>> >
>> > 2011/8/4 Dahlia Trimble <dahliatrimble at gmail.com>
>> >
>> >> Which page(s) are you considering replacing? Or are you suggesting
>> adding
>> >> pages which define a user, in addition to the existing wiki pages which
>> >> describe OpenSimulator?
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 10:05 AM, Makiko Nomura (Makopoppo) <
>> >> nomura.makiko at googlemail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Hi, nice to meet you all. I'm Makopoppo.
>> >>>
>> >>> In OpenSimulator Wiki, Fritigern told me his idea about dividing wiki
>> into
>> >>> user parts and developer parts.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/User_talk:Makopoppo#An_Idea_Which_Has_Been_On_My_Mind_For_Some_Time
>> >>>
>> >>> It would be nice to implement it. And more, I'd like to hear your
>> thought
>> >>> about wiki future as well, especially if you haven't use OpenSimulator
>> wiki
>> >>> ever or recently. (This is rather my personal activity than as a wiki
>> admin
>> >>> job)
>> >>>
>> >>> Here is my idea about what OpenSimulator wiki will be:
>> >>>
>> >>> * The definition of "User"
>> >>>
>> >>> OpenSimulator software, as itself, is a framework for 3D virtual
>> >>> environment. It can be included into enterprise systems; i.e. some
>> might
>> >>> want to bundle it into their web servers, groupwares, or such. Some
>> wants to
>> >>> create their own kins for their use. Some wants to simply use this
>> >>> distribution out-of-the-box. Some doesn't want to own their sims, just
>> wants
>> >>> to connect to them from their viewers. All of them are "Users". They
>> will be
>> >>> categorized into three types:
>> >>>
>> >>> Client Users: Who connects to (or logins to) OpenSimulator-based grids
>> >>> with their viewer, websites, or some other possible methods. They
>> don't need
>> >>> any computer-specific knowledges, they can be teenagers, or even
>> infants.
>> >>> Documentation for them might be out of focus of OpenSimulator project,
>> it is
>> >>> rather client vendor's area, but having minimal instruction and links
>> to
>> >>> their document for further information is not so bad idea.
>> >>>
>> >>> Grid Users: Who connects their OpenSimulator-based regions to
>> >>> OpenSimulator-based grids, or just using it standalone. They needs
>> minimal
>> >>> knowledge of operation systems, databases, or some other related
>> softwares
>> >>> such as web servers to run their own simulators. Since there are
>> already
>> >>> many resources for them, and especially for personal use, kins
>> projects
>> >>> doing great job to make clear documents, maintain them and providing
>> support
>> >>> for years. We can encourage or help them to improve their documents,
>> such
>> >>> as, providing link list to their pages, or bollowing their article
>> with huge
>> >>> credits.
>> >>>
>> >>> Framework Users: Who enhances OpenSimulator software for their use.
>> The
>> >>> purpose varies amongst each other, from personal use to enterprise
>> use. For
>> >>> example, the person who implements *Module, script functions,
>> connectors or
>> >>> such. To say in another word, who using OpenSimulator as a framework.
>> I
>> >>> personally think that one of the role of our OpenSimulator core
>> project is
>> >>> provider of the best documentation for them. And I know currently we
>> don't
>> >>> have enough documents for them, or if exists, it hasn't been
>> maintenanced
>> >>> for years.
>> >>>
>> >>> So, who will be the "Developers"? It will be the contributors who
>> >>> contributes OpenSimulator framework itself. They should know OpenSim
>> >>> internal architectures, implementing guidelines, or licensing matters.
>> Some
>> >>> experts can understand them only by reading codes (yikes!), but it
>> would be
>> >>> nice to have such documents, if we can keep updating them forever.
>> >>>
>> >>> * Possible Wiki Structure
>> >>>
>> >>> Considering these points above, we can divide the wiki into three
>> domains:
>> >>>
>> >>> http://opensimulator.org/ <-- for "Client Users" and "Grid Users"
>> >>> http://framework.opensimulator.org/ <-- for "Framework Users"
>> >>> http://dev.opensimulator.org/ <-- for the contributors of
>> OpenSimulator
>> >>> core project (coders, document writers, issue managers, wiki admins)
>> >>>
>> >>> Although MediaWiki can create namespaces and we can use it for this
>> >>> purpose, I feel sub-domaining provides more straight-forward way to
>> access
>> >>> to them (this is probably because I am an address bar lover). Again,
>> this is
>> >>> just my idea.
>> >>>
>> >>> * Should we create anything on our own?
>> >>>
>> >>> I personally think we don't need to "reinvent the wheel" to create all
>> >>> OpenSimulator documentation from the scratch, there are already nice
>> >>> documents all around the web. Why not make great use of them? I don't
>> mean
>> >>> we can copyright violations and bring them all. Instead, it would be
>> nice to
>> >>> have links to their project websites with simple descriptions about
>> their
>> >>> project goal or feature on our wiki pages. Or, using their documents
>> with
>> >>> big credit would be nice too(Cons is duplicated documentation will be
>> more
>> >>> difficult to maintenance).
>> >>>
>> >>> I wonder why kin projects (i.e. OSGrids, Inworlds, AuroraSim, …) are
>> not
>> >>> feathered as kin developers. They are the good OpenSimulator framework
>> users
>> >>> and the good OpenSimulator "User" documents provider. And communities.
>> I
>> >>> know there are many other OpenSimulator-forums and many experts
>> grandly help
>> >>> so-called "noobs". We can encourage and help them to support others in
>> their
>> >>> community, such as, again, adding link to their forums. Blogs too. I
>> came
>> >>> here looking at a post in ilibsl blog. I had a parcel in Ener Sounds(
>> >>> http://iliveisl.com/makos-home/ is me), and after leaving there, I
>> found
>> >>> OpenSimulator in another post and tried to use it (to reproduce the
>> terrain
>> >>> of Ener Sounds in vain lol). That was the start. OpenSimulator
>> developers
>> >>> including me tends to detailed describe about the architectures, but
>> for
>> >>> users, the documents created by the users will be helpful. It might be
>> not
>> >>> the best way, since the users have to access each blogs and forums to
>> find
>> >>> the answer for their question, but if OpenSimulator core wiki has nice
>> >>> directory to find them easily, it can be ideal. (I feel someone might
>> have
>> >>> suggested the same before, but I can't remember who)
>> >>>
>> >>> It shouldn't keep contributors from writing such documents in
>> >>> OpenSimulator Wiki. Our purpose are varies, so it should be always
>> open for
>> >>> those who wants to contribute the articles. But if we can create the
>> scheme
>> >>> of "Mash-up" the OpenSimulator-related documentations, OpenSimulator
>> >>> community (includes kin projects, blogs, forums or such) will accurate
>> >>> toward mature community as a whole.
>> >>>
>> >>> Thank you for reading. *Steps down from soapbox*
>> >>> Again, comments will be appreciated.
>> >>>
>> >>> ------
>> >>>
>> >>> Makopoppo (Makiko Nomura)
>> >>>
>> >>>
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