Ah, I should have checked archive page<div><a href="https://lists.berlios.de/pipermail/opensim-dev/2011-August/thread.html">https://lists.berlios.de/pipermail/opensim-dev/2011-August/thread.html</a></div><div><br></div><div>
oh, shame...</div><div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/8/4 Makiko Nomura (Makopoppo) <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nomura.makiko@googlemail.com">nomura.makiko@googlemail.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
Thank you for telling me, and sorry for duplicate posting.<div>I remember I have clicked "post" at least ten times, but you only have 5 copies.</div><div><br></div><div>Just for reference, can you tell me each header of each copy?</div>
<div><br></div><div># I suspect I can't post from synonym addresses or another another names than I have registered...</div><div># One of them should have kanji name on it, if I have succeeded in posting every times.</div>
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<div><br></div><div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/8/4 Melanie <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:melanie@t-data.com" target="_blank">melanie@t-data.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Please only post once. You don't get a copy of your own emails and I<br>
have five copies by now. If you want a copy of your own emails you<br>
would have to change that setting. Normally your emails are not<br>
echoed to you.<br>
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Melanie<br>
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On 03/08/2011 19:43, Makiko Nomura (Makopoppo) wrote:<br>
> Sorry if I have posted again and again - I can't still see my post in my<br>
> mail client... I remember I have clicked "sent" at least ten times before I<br>
> received the mail from dahila.<br>
><br>
>>Which page(s) are you considering replacing? Or are you suggesting adding<br>
> pages which define a user, in addition to the existing wiki pages which<br>
> describe OpenSimulator?<br>
><br>
> We are considering "refactoring" of wiki as a whole. Each contents won't be<br>
> changed for now, just the moving of existing page would be the start point.<br>
> Old page will maybe redirected, if actually move on.<br>
><br>
><br>
> 2011/8/4 Dahlia Trimble <<a href="mailto:dahliatrimble@gmail.com" target="_blank">dahliatrimble@gmail.com</a>><br>
><br>
>> Which page(s) are you considering replacing? Or are you suggesting adding<br>
>> pages which define a user, in addition to the existing wiki pages which<br>
>> describe OpenSimulator?<br>
>><br>
>> On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 10:05 AM, Makiko Nomura (Makopoppo) <<br>
>> <a href="mailto:nomura.makiko@googlemail.com" target="_blank">nomura.makiko@googlemail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> Hi, nice to meet you all. I'm Makopoppo.<br>
>>><br>
>>> In OpenSimulator Wiki, Fritigern told me his idea about dividing wiki into<br>
>>> user parts and developer parts.<br>
>>><br>
>>> <a href="http://opensimulator.org/wiki/User_talk:Makopoppo#An_Idea_Which_Has_Been_On_My_Mind_For_Some_Time" target="_blank">http://opensimulator.org/wiki/User_talk:Makopoppo#An_Idea_Which_Has_Been_On_My_Mind_For_Some_Time</a><br>
>>><br>
>>> It would be nice to implement it. And more, I'd like to hear your thought<br>
>>> about wiki future as well, especially if you haven't use OpenSimulator wiki<br>
>>> ever or recently. (This is rather my personal activity than as a wiki admin<br>
>>> job)<br>
>>><br>
>>> Here is my idea about what OpenSimulator wiki will be:<br>
>>><br>
>>> * The definition of "User"<br>
>>><br>
>>> OpenSimulator software, as itself, is a framework for 3D virtual<br>
>>> environment. It can be included into enterprise systems; i.e. some might<br>
>>> want to bundle it into their web servers, groupwares, or such. Some wants to<br>
>>> create their own kins for their use. Some wants to simply use this<br>
>>> distribution out-of-the-box. Some doesn't want to own their sims, just wants<br>
>>> to connect to them from their viewers. All of them are "Users". They will be<br>
>>> categorized into three types:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Client Users: Who connects to (or logins to) OpenSimulator-based grids<br>
>>> with their viewer, websites, or some other possible methods. They don't need<br>
>>> any computer-specific knowledges, they can be teenagers, or even infants.<br>
>>> Documentation for them might be out of focus of OpenSimulator project, it is<br>
>>> rather client vendor's area, but having minimal instruction and links to<br>
>>> their document for further information is not so bad idea.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Grid Users: Who connects their OpenSimulator-based regions to<br>
>>> OpenSimulator-based grids, or just using it standalone. They needs minimal<br>
>>> knowledge of operation systems, databases, or some other related softwares<br>
>>> such as web servers to run their own simulators. Since there are already<br>
>>> many resources for them, and especially for personal use, kins projects<br>
>>> doing great job to make clear documents, maintain them and providing support<br>
>>> for years. We can encourage or help them to improve their documents, such<br>
>>> as, providing link list to their pages, or bollowing their article with huge<br>
>>> credits.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Framework Users: Who enhances OpenSimulator software for their use. The<br>
>>> purpose varies amongst each other, from personal use to enterprise use. For<br>
>>> example, the person who implements *Module, script functions, connectors or<br>
>>> such. To say in another word, who using OpenSimulator as a framework. I<br>
>>> personally think that one of the role of our OpenSimulator core project is<br>
>>> provider of the best documentation for them. And I know currently we don't<br>
>>> have enough documents for them, or if exists, it hasn't been maintenanced<br>
>>> for years.<br>
>>><br>
>>> So, who will be the "Developers"? It will be the contributors who<br>
>>> contributes OpenSimulator framework itself. They should know OpenSim<br>
>>> internal architectures, implementing guidelines, or licensing matters. Some<br>
>>> experts can understand them only by reading codes (yikes!), but it would be<br>
>>> nice to have such documents, if we can keep updating them forever.<br>
>>><br>
>>> * Possible Wiki Structure<br>
>>><br>
>>> Considering these points above, we can divide the wiki into three domains:<br>
>>><br>
>>> <a href="http://opensimulator.org/" target="_blank">http://opensimulator.org/</a> <-- for "Client Users" and "Grid Users"<br>
>>> <a href="http://framework.opensimulator.org/" target="_blank">http://framework.opensimulator.org/</a> <-- for "Framework Users"<br>
>>> <a href="http://dev.opensimulator.org/" target="_blank">http://dev.opensimulator.org/</a> <-- for the contributors of OpenSimulator<br>
>>> core project (coders, document writers, issue managers, wiki admins)<br>
>>><br>
>>> Although MediaWiki can create namespaces and we can use it for this<br>
>>> purpose, I feel sub-domaining provides more straight-forward way to access<br>
>>> to them (this is probably because I am an address bar lover). Again, this is<br>
>>> just my idea.<br>
>>><br>
>>> * Should we create anything on our own?<br>
>>><br>
>>> I personally think we don't need to "reinvent the wheel" to create all<br>
>>> OpenSimulator documentation from the scratch, there are already nice<br>
>>> documents all around the web. Why not make great use of them? I don't mean<br>
>>> we can copyright violations and bring them all. Instead, it would be nice to<br>
>>> have links to their project websites with simple descriptions about their<br>
>>> project goal or feature on our wiki pages. Or, using their documents with<br>
>>> big credit would be nice too(Cons is duplicated documentation will be more<br>
>>> difficult to maintenance).<br>
>>><br>
>>> I wonder why kin projects (i.e. OSGrids, Inworlds, AuroraSim, …) are not<br>
>>> feathered as kin developers. They are the good OpenSimulator framework users<br>
>>> and the good OpenSimulator "User" documents provider. And communities. I<br>
>>> know there are many other OpenSimulator-forums and many experts grandly help<br>
>>> so-called "noobs". We can encourage and help them to support others in their<br>
>>> community, such as, again, adding link to their forums. Blogs too. I came<br>
>>> here looking at a post in ilibsl blog. I had a parcel in Ener Sounds(<br>
>>> <a href="http://iliveisl.com/makos-home/" target="_blank">http://iliveisl.com/makos-home/</a> is me), and after leaving there, I found<br>
>>> OpenSimulator in another post and tried to use it (to reproduce the terrain<br>
>>> of Ener Sounds in vain lol). That was the start. OpenSimulator developers<br>
>>> including me tends to detailed describe about the architectures, but for<br>
>>> users, the documents created by the users will be helpful. It might be not<br>
>>> the best way, since the users have to access each blogs and forums to find<br>
>>> the answer for their question, but if OpenSimulator core wiki has nice<br>
>>> directory to find them easily, it can be ideal. (I feel someone might have<br>
>>> suggested the same before, but I can't remember who)<br>
>>><br>
>>> It shouldn't keep contributors from writing such documents in<br>
>>> OpenSimulator Wiki. Our purpose are varies, so it should be always open for<br>
>>> those who wants to contribute the articles. But if we can create the scheme<br>
>>> of "Mash-up" the OpenSimulator-related documentations, OpenSimulator<br>
>>> community (includes kin projects, blogs, forums or such) will accurate<br>
>>> toward mature community as a whole.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Thank you for reading. *Steps down from soapbox*<br>
>>> Again, comments will be appreciated.<br>
>>><br>
>>> ------<br>
>>><br>
>>> Makopoppo (Makiko Nomura)<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
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