[Opensim-dev] Some thought about OpenSim Wiki future

Wed Aug 3 18:20:49 UTC 2011

Thank you, Melanie.
I now found the settings "Receive acknowledgement mail when you send
mail to the list?"
I found checking it is helpful in my case, fyi.

# I find "Receive your own posts to the list?" is yes but I haven't
received my post...
# I doubt if it actually works...

2011/8/4 Melanie <melanie at t-data.com>
>
> Yes one does and no, you can't post from any address but the
> registered one.
>
> Melanie
>
> On 03/08/2011 20:02, Makiko Nomura (Makopoppo) wrote:
> > Thank you for telling me, and sorry for duplicate posting.
> > I remember I have clicked "post" at least ten times, but you only have 5
> > copies.
> >
> > Just for reference, can you tell me each header of each copy?
> >
> > # I suspect I can't post from synonym addresses or another another names
> > than I have registered...
> > # One of them should have kanji name on it, if I have succeeded in posting
> > every times.
> >
> >
> > 2011/8/4 Melanie <melanie at t-data.com>
> >
> >> Please only post once. You don't get a copy of your own emails and I
> >> have five copies by now. If you want a copy of your own emails you
> >> would have to change that setting. Normally your emails are not
> >> echoed to you.
> >>
> >> Melanie
> >>
> >> On 03/08/2011 19:43, Makiko Nomura (Makopoppo) wrote:
> >> > Sorry if I have posted again and again - I can't still see my post in my
> >> > mail client... I remember I have clicked "sent" at least ten times before
> >> I
> >> > received the mail from dahila.
> >> >
> >> >>Which page(s) are you considering replacing? Or are you suggesting adding
> >> > pages which define a user, in addition to the existing wiki pages which
> >> > describe OpenSimulator?
> >> >
> >> > We are considering "refactoring" of wiki as a whole. Each contents won't
> >> be
> >> > changed for now, just  the moving of existing page would be the start
> >> point.
> >> > Old page will maybe redirected, if actually move on.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > 2011/8/4 Dahlia Trimble <dahliatrimble at gmail.com>
> >> >
> >> >> Which page(s) are you considering replacing? Or are you suggesting
> >> adding
> >> >> pages which define a user, in addition to the existing wiki pages which
> >> >> describe OpenSimulator?
> >> >>
> >> >> On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 10:05 AM, Makiko Nomura (Makopoppo) <
> >> >> nomura.makiko at googlemail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> Hi, nice to meet you all. I'm Makopoppo.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> In OpenSimulator Wiki, Fritigern told me his idea about dividing wiki
> >> into
> >> >>> user parts and developer parts.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/User_talk:Makopoppo#An_Idea_Which_Has_Been_On_My_Mind_For_Some_Time
> >> >>>
> >> >>> It would be nice to implement it. And more, I'd like to hear your
> >> thought
> >> >>> about wiki future as well, especially if you haven't use OpenSimulator
> >> wiki
> >> >>> ever or recently. (This is rather my personal activity than as a wiki
> >> admin
> >> >>> job)
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Here is my idea about what OpenSimulator wiki will be:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> * The definition of "User"
> >> >>>
> >> >>> OpenSimulator software, as itself, is a framework for 3D virtual
> >> >>> environment. It can be included into enterprise systems; i.e. some
> >> might
> >> >>> want to bundle it into their web servers, groupwares, or such. Some
> >> wants to
> >> >>> create their own kins for their use. Some wants to simply use this
> >> >>> distribution out-of-the-box. Some doesn't want to own their sims, just
> >> wants
> >> >>> to connect to them from their viewers. All of them are "Users". They
> >> will be
> >> >>> categorized into three types:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Client Users: Who connects to (or logins to) OpenSimulator-based grids
> >> >>> with their viewer, websites, or some other possible methods. They don't
> >> need
> >> >>> any computer-specific knowledges, they can be teenagers, or even
> >> infants.
> >> >>> Documentation for them might be out of focus of OpenSimulator project,
> >> it is
> >> >>> rather client vendor's area, but having minimal instruction and links
> >> to
> >> >>> their document for further information is not so bad idea.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Grid Users: Who connects their OpenSimulator-based regions to
> >> >>> OpenSimulator-based grids, or just using it standalone. They needs
> >> minimal
> >> >>> knowledge of operation systems, databases, or some other related
> >> softwares
> >> >>> such as web servers to run their own simulators. Since there are
> >> already
> >> >>> many resources for them, and especially for personal use, kins projects
> >> >>> doing great job to make clear documents, maintain them and providing
> >> support
> >> >>> for years. We can encourage or help them to improve their documents,
> >> such
> >> >>> as, providing link list to their pages, or bollowing their article with
> >> huge
> >> >>> credits.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Framework Users: Who enhances OpenSimulator software for their use. The
> >> >>> purpose varies amongst each other, from personal use to enterprise use.
> >> For
> >> >>> example, the person who implements *Module, script functions,
> >> connectors or
> >> >>> such. To say in another word, who using OpenSimulator as a framework. I
> >> >>> personally think that one of the role of our OpenSimulator core project
> >> is
> >> >>> provider of the best documentation for them. And I know currently we
> >> don't
> >> >>> have enough documents for them, or if exists, it hasn't been
> >> maintenanced
> >> >>> for years.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> So, who will be the "Developers"? It will be the contributors who
> >> >>> contributes OpenSimulator framework itself. They should know OpenSim
> >> >>> internal architectures, implementing guidelines, or licensing matters.
> >> Some
> >> >>> experts can understand them only by reading codes (yikes!), but it
> >> would be
> >> >>> nice to have such documents, if we can keep updating them forever.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> * Possible Wiki Structure
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Considering these points above, we can divide the wiki into three
> >> domains:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> http://opensimulator.org/ <-- for "Client Users" and "Grid Users"
> >> >>> http://framework.opensimulator.org/ <-- for "Framework Users"
> >> >>> http://dev.opensimulator.org/ <-- for the contributors of
> >> OpenSimulator
> >> >>> core project (coders, document writers, issue managers, wiki admins)
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Although MediaWiki can create namespaces and we can use it for this
> >> >>> purpose, I feel sub-domaining provides more straight-forward way to
> >> access
> >> >>> to them (this is probably because I am an address bar lover). Again,
> >> this is
> >> >>> just my idea.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> * Should we create anything on our own?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I personally think we don't need to "reinvent the wheel" to create all
> >> >>> OpenSimulator documentation from the scratch, there are already nice
> >> >>> documents all around the web. Why not make great use of them? I don't
> >> mean
> >> >>> we can copyright violations and bring them all. Instead, it would be
> >> nice to
> >> >>> have links to their project websites with simple descriptions about
> >> their
> >> >>> project goal or feature on our wiki pages. Or, using their documents
> >> with
> >> >>> big credit would be nice too(Cons is duplicated documentation will be
> >> more
> >> >>> difficult to maintenance).
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I wonder why kin projects (i.e. OSGrids, Inworlds, AuroraSim, …) are
> >> not
> >> >>> feathered as kin developers. They are the good OpenSimulator framework
> >> users
> >> >>> and the good OpenSimulator "User" documents provider. And communities.
> >> I
> >> >>> know there are many other OpenSimulator-forums and many experts grandly
> >> help
> >> >>> so-called "noobs". We can encourage and help them to support others in
> >> their
> >> >>> community, such as, again, adding link to their forums. Blogs too. I
> >> came
> >> >>> here looking at a post in ilibsl blog. I had a parcel in Ener Sounds(
> >> >>> http://iliveisl.com/makos-home/ is me), and after leaving there, I
> >> found
> >> >>> OpenSimulator in another post and tried to use it (to reproduce the
> >> terrain
> >> >>> of Ener Sounds in vain lol). That was the start. OpenSimulator
> >> developers
> >> >>> including me tends to detailed describe about the architectures, but
> >> for
> >> >>> users, the documents created by the users will be helpful. It might be
> >> not
> >> >>> the best way, since the users have to access each blogs and forums to
> >> find
> >> >>> the answer for their question, but if OpenSimulator core wiki has nice
> >> >>> directory to find them easily, it can be ideal. (I feel someone might
> >> have
> >> >>> suggested the same before, but I can't remember who)
> >> >>>
> >> >>> It shouldn't keep contributors from writing such documents in
> >> >>> OpenSimulator Wiki. Our purpose are varies, so it should be always open
> >> for
> >> >>> those who wants to contribute the articles. But if we can create the
> >> scheme
> >> >>> of "Mash-up" the OpenSimulator-related documentations, OpenSimulator
> >> >>> community (includes kin projects, blogs, forums or such) will accurate
> >> >>> toward mature community as a whole.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Thank you for reading. *Steps down from soapbox*
> >> >>> Again, comments will be appreciated.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> ------
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Makopoppo (Makiko Nomura)
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
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