[11:01 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, everyone.
[11:01 AM] Neil Adams: hello
[11:02 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Hi Andrew
[11:04 AM] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: Hello *grins*
[11:05 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Hi
[11:05 AM] Neil Adams: hello
[11:05 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, Lyr
[11:05 AM] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: /me grins
[11:05 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, Gavin
[11:06 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: Not much to talk about today regarding code changes to Open Simulator as there was none this past week.
[11:07 AM] Ubit Umarov: yeah lazy devs
[11:08 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: :)
[11:08 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: Anything else new and exciting?
[11:08 AM] Ubit Umarov: im actually making one... but 2 late for the meeting
[11:08 AM] Ubit Umarov: lol
[11:08 AM] Ubit Umarov: i have some spargetting from vicent to look at
[11:08 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Yeah, the only thing I have done since last meeting is I tried to migrate a machine from Debian 12 to 13, which ended in catastrophe.
[11:08 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: I was going to say you need to adjust the clock.
[11:08 AM] Ubit Umarov: and ofc those PRs on github
[11:09 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Had to reinstall from scratch, but the simulator is happoy and running
[11:09 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: happy*
[11:09 AM] Ubit Umarov: (oops i said spargetti?)
[11:09 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: Gavin, that is surprising. I thought migrations on Debian were supposed to be easy (or easier) than with some other distros.
[11:09 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: the recommendation is not to try, but I tried anyway :-)
[11:10 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: I mean it kinda is, but it appears to work. Tests I ran so far all seem to work so unless I missed some edge case it should function
[11:10 AM] Ubit Umarov: 'easy' and 'linux' never match
[11:10 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: Ubuntu used to say that you should do in place updates.
[11:10 AM] Ubit Umarov: i once lost a entire box on a easy debian update
[11:10 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Distro upgrades the one thing Ubuntu got the hang of finally, but I have had a lot failures on that in the past as well
[11:11 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Does Debian come with a script to perform that or is it just switching the repos?
[11:11 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: Linux Mint seems to have it down. Or did the last time I tried.
[11:11 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: no script
[11:11 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: supposed to be an easy upgrade, but gstreamer and some other libs totally messed up the install
[11:12 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: /me nods
[11:12 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: It also takes time to find out what programs got removed and what replaced them.
[11:12 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: so rather than try and untangle the mess, it was easier to runt it flat and restore backup after
[11:13 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: I have had distro upgrades randomly erase var www and such fun things heh
[11:13 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Ubuntu you can usually get away with just changing the repos, the script doesn't do much else either
[11:14 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: I have a multi page document I wrote that lets me do a fresh install and get more or less back to where I was before as it lists the packages/programs to be added, the ones to be removed, and the configuration files to be copied from the backup.
[11:14 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Course not much point in upgrading that with how much mainline stuff is broken in noble
[11:14 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: (Not much further on the libgdiplus front I'm afraid)
[11:14 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: yes, but the repose may not have updated versions of everything and then it runs itself into a dependency mess
[11:15 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: Vincent, same here. I still can't get any useful backtrace when a program crashes due to libgdiplus.
[11:15 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: 13 is pretty new I think, usually good to wait a year or two for upgrades so others can find all the bugs first
[11:15 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: it is less than 2 months since release
[11:15 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: /me just made the connection between the version number and time of year.
[11:15 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: No wonder it didn'twork. ;)
[11:16 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: :-)
[11:16 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I gave it an honest try :-))
[11:16 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: /me nods
[11:17 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: Gavin: You have your system back on track for continuing your viewer development?
[11:17 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: Gavin: You have your system back on track for continuing your viewer development?
[11:18 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: As much as you can have Windows doing anything these days, gotta qualify that xD
[11:18 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I suppose I have
[11:18 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Until it bytes you again...
[11:19 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: I won't ask you for an update on your viewer development since you have been battling with a distro update.
[11:19 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Win 10 is pretty much canned by now, so no updates messing it up any more
[11:20 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Microsoft stock just went up lol
[11:20 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: e-waste go brrrr
[11:20 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: there isn't much to write home about, except I may publish a new version of the Mac viewer that has gotten a good deal of new code
[11:21 AM] Ubit Umarov: ok so abotu last week code changes...
[11:21 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Suppose I can now join in testing that as well
[11:21 AM] Ubit Umarov: there was one that need some testing
[11:22 AM] Ubit Umarov: i removed Mono.Data.SqliteCliente.dll that was obsolete since mono 1.2.4
[11:22 AM] Ubit Umarov: there was only a reference to on on webstats and Mono.Data.SQlite should just replace it
[11:23 AM] Ubit Umarov: the dif btw those2 is that the client did also support native live sqlite 2.0
[11:23 AM] Ubit Umarov: even with tyi we only used sqlite 3.0.. so... all should work
[11:24 AM] Ubit Umarov: and one less obsolete thing to worry about
[11:24 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: sqlite broken, postgres broken, mysql only connector without major issues right now, but they are all a pain and a half to update... I have yet to test newer mariadb versions, afraid that'll break too
[11:24 AM] Ubit Umarov: what major issues?
[11:25 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: Not a good situation. No reliable database connection, not running OS.
[11:25 AM] Ubit Umarov: it should work with mysql server 8
[11:25 AM] Ubit Umarov: since mariaDB decided to no be compatible with MySQL, it may need a older version of maria
[11:25 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I am still on 8.042
[11:25 AM] Ubit Umarov: .. to not be..
[11:26 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: have not tested postgres in a bit. when did it break?
[11:26 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Over a year ago
[11:26 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: oh
[11:26 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: because of?
[11:26 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: There is a mantis on it, dug into it. Latest version is broken, connector needs updating, but that opens a whole can of worms
[11:26 AM] Ubit Umarov: even with the patchs i did accept ?
[11:27 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: any version of postgres?
[11:27 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Latest release was broken, not sure if it still is, I have not gotten those virtual machines back running
[11:27 AM] Ubit Umarov: i don-t remember any matis telling it was broken..
[11:27 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: It was a total mess and might still be on latest release
[11:27 AM] Ubit Umarov: bit mb just bad memory
[11:28 AM] Ubit Umarov: well sqlite seems it also a issue for next win 11 update
[11:28 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8959
[11:28 AM] Ubit Umarov: they are removing .net framework 3.5, that also did install 2.0 sqlite uses
[11:28 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I have not tested postgres with any version newer than 15.x
[11:29 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Both postgres and maria seem to be preferred options for a lot of projects these days, mysql has sort of fallen out of the running to no ones surprise
[11:30 AM] Ubit Umarov: well seems i did update the connector to post..
[11:30 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: you need the paid-for versions of mysql to get the good juice so no surprises there
[11:30 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: I'll see to setting up those virtual machines when I find some time
[11:32 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: It makes me wonder whether it's worth the effort to just completely rebuild the wrappers and switch the entire data project to a mixed setup of postgres and couchdb or something. To make it faster and more logical how certain data is stored, but that's a big undertaking
[11:33 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: First need to fix that db write issue though, once Ubit has stopped cringing over my code :)
[11:33 AM] Ubit Umarov: (cofff cofff cofff )
[11:35 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Could be worse, could be looking at the migration or maptile changes, those are even more spaghetti, but they sure work well and fast ;)
[11:36 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: fast spaghetti
[11:37 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Blame that 10+ year old code I use as inspiration lol
[11:37 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: can't you just have an AI untangle it? those things works so brilliant
[11:38 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: / /sarc
[11:38 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: :)
[11:39 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: I vibe coded that libgdiplus skiasharp replacement and frankly that was about 60% ai getting it wrong so I take what it says with enough salt to kill my kidneys
[11:39 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: It compiles but doesn't run is usually the end result of trying that approach
[11:40 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: I don't even try to use any of those "AI" systems.
[11:40 AM] Neil Adams: Coding with AI is a tricky beast.
[11:40 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: With how shit google is lately kinda forced to use it as search engine
[11:40 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, Cuga.
[11:41 AM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Hi Andrew, Hi all
[11:41 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: It generates code that produces and error you can google and find a better solution for so it works great in that regard xD
[11:41 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: News organizations in 15 European countries trained multiple AI version on large corpuses of news, and it resulted in major errors in 53% of the output
[11:41 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: in other words totally useless
[11:42 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: So marginally better than most "journalists" /s
[11:42 AM] Ubit Umarov: ( what are those numbers with HI ?)
[11:42 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: Gavin, that's about what I expect
[11:42 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: right
[11:42 AM] Ubit Umarov: mb not much better :)
[11:43 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Suppose that makes it great for brainstorming or feeling smarter lol
[11:43 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: everyone is expecting a major AI bubble crash
[11:43 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: then we can get back to reality
[11:43 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Heh reality...
[11:43 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: /me nods
[11:43 AM] Ubit Umarov: for now they are getting and spending rivers of $
[11:44 AM] Ubit Umarov: even making RAM etc prices go up
[11:44 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: And creating lots of co2
[11:44 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: and electricity prices
[11:44 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: Gavin, it is really messing up the music industry so the sooner it crashes the better.
[11:44 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: agreed Andrew
[11:44 AM] Ubit Umarov: nahh those who control the $ love it
[11:45 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Autotune 2.0
[11:45 AM] Neil Adams: Bubbles are the consequences of malinvestment resulting from bad monetary policy. The AI bubble is likely on that list, but it's not the cause.
[11:45 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Now we can all sound like Cher
[11:45 AM] Ubit Umarov: less dependency on humand workers is more profit
[11:45 AM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Unfortunately AI bubble collapse it will take the economy with it like the dot.com bubble
[11:45 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Cher :-))
[11:45 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: People follow shiny things, buzzwords and new fancy solutions to made up problems, what else is new
[11:45 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: Cuga, before you came in we were talking about database connectivity issues. There were no code changes this past week.
[11:46 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: exactly Cuga
[11:46 AM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Thanks Andrew
[11:46 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: yw
[11:46 AM] Ubit Umarov: duhh you are updated Andrew
[11:46 AM] Ubit Umarov: i told about code change above
[11:46 AM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: sqlite removed from trunk?
[11:46 AM] Ubit Umarov: err i meant outdated andrew
[11:47 AM] Ubit Umarov: no sqliteClient
[11:47 AM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: yay!
[11:47 AM] Ubit Umarov: as i said outdated since mono 1.2.4
[11:47 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: I was basing that on no changes in the code base unless it was on a different branch than I have checked out.
[11:47 AM] Ubit Umarov: look to git again :p
[11:48 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Back when that initial failure on mac came through I did look at the changelog for it to figure out if the latest version was safe to use and for the most part it probably is. Only thing that might cause friction is the case sensitivity it has in the latest versions
[11:48 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: ok. There is one now. :)
[11:49 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: If something explodes we'll hear about it soon enough, the joys of user-based testing :)
[11:50 AM] Ubit Umarov: only wenstats did reference it, but also using sqlite 3
[11:50 AM] Ubit Umarov: webstats
[11:51 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: that animal looks hungry
[11:51 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: I forgot to feed it
[11:51 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: That was a close call. I thought I was going to be trampled by the T-rex.
[11:51 AM] Ubit Umarov: did you seen vincent hair ?
[11:51 AM] Ubit Umarov: the poor thing had to come check
[11:52 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: I fell into buckets of paint
[11:52 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: hehe
[11:53 AM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: prim hair even
[11:53 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Reminds me I had two crashes earlier today, Fatal error. Failed to create RW mapping for RX memory at OpenSim.Region.PhysicsModule.ubOde.UBOdeNative.SpaceCollide2
[11:54 AM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Use Bullet (ducks)
[11:54 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Usually that's physics objects going crazy so have to find that still
[11:54 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: :)
[11:54 AM] Ubit Umarov: tested increasing stack size?
[11:54 AM] Ubit Umarov: ( no idea what that call RX memory )
[11:55 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Looking it up there is an open issue ticket in dotnet for it so who knows what broke
[11:55 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Normally you don't need to mess with stack size, it's usually just a bad object more than bad config
[11:56 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: It was close to having no "free" memory at the time, most buffered or cached so could be dotnet screwing up allocation as well
[11:56 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: After that stupidity with the virtual memory I don't trust that much anymore
[11:57 AM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: You probably already know, area Search doesn;t show physics objects by default. I found stray physics objects at the border when I changed the search options
[11:57 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: I usually search the db for the flags, that's faster and wider radius
[11:57 AM] Ubit Umarov: ubode does over abuse stack, default is not enough in large regions
[11:58 AM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: oh good idea, I'll try that too
[11:58 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: It's a 2x2 though, so not exactly massive
[11:58 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: There is a lot of crap on it though
[11:58 AM] Ubit Umarov: wel with many collisiond
[11:58 AM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: How does one fix that for ubODE in large regions?
[11:58 AM] Ubit Umarov: rtfm
[11:58 AM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: ok
[11:58 AM] Ubit Umarov: look to opensim.sh
[11:59 AM] Ubit Umarov: it has the linux shell command to do that
[11:59 AM] Ubit Umarov: not a issue on win
[11:59 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: You can globally set those via sysctl as well or just for the user that runs it
[11:59 AM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: ulimit command doesn;t work on Mac
[12:00 PM] Ubit Umarov: no idea if it a issue on macs either
[12:00 PM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: There is another command for that
[12:00 PM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: but opensim.sh still works after printing error
[12:00 PM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Vincent it can be set globally on Mac but not in shell script, has to be done by root
[12:01 PM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Yeah that, well you can do it via cli, just requires you enter your password to do it
[12:01 PM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I have some plists for that
[12:01 PM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: or with startup script, Gavin has the Mac setup file in his repo
[12:01 PM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Yeah on Mac thats the right way to do it
[12:01 PM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: forum
[12:02 PM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: https://www.dayturn.com/viewer/index.php?resources/increasing-system-resource-limits-on-macos.91/
[12:02 PM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I did that but had some crashes on ubODE anyway, during heavy physics use
[12:02 PM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: download on that page
[12:02 PM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: but not reproducible
[12:03 PM] Ubit Umarov: yeah number of open files is also a issue
[12:03 PM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: indeed
[12:03 PM] Ubit Umarov: tcp connections count as open files and viewers try to open a lot
[12:03 PM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Both can have those glitches, usually on crossings. Sometimes it just explodes
[12:03 PM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Digging into that requires pulling apart machine code at some point, if it happens once a year that's not really worth the effort
[12:04 PM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Yeah, was about once a year for me
[12:04 PM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: not worth chasing
[12:05 PM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I have a quick question, apologies if its been covered before
[12:05 PM] Andrew Hellershanks: Go ahead, Cuga.
[12:05 PM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Script Info in right-click menu, greyed out
[12:05 PM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Firestorm Bridge is active
[12:06 PM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: is that supported in OS?
[12:06 PM] Ubit Umarov: dont remember
[12:06 PM] Ubit Umarov: the on o avatar healt is
[12:07 PM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: In SL it shows the reserved memory of all the object scripts and script count
[12:07 PM] Ubit Umarov: yeah that one on right click sees dead
[12:07 PM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Its a FS bridge thing
[12:08 PM] Object: Script running
[12:08 PM] Ubit Umarov: duhh also dead on the build menu
[12:09 PM] Ubit Umarov: oops nm that works if you do select a prim :)
[12:09 PM] Ubit Umarov: just no script info
[12:09 PM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I'm selecting the wine bottle with the sim stats on the table
[12:10 PM] Ubit Umarov: you may need to had rights on the prim
[12:10 PM] Object: Script running
[12:10 PM] Ubit Umarov: but yeah info seems dead
[12:10 PM] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: /me smiles
[12:10 PM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: not a priority, but would be nice to have
[12:10 PM] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: yes
[12:10 PM] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: We're in the final stages of planning the schedule for the OpenSimulator Community Conference - waiting to hear back from a couple of the proposals. Registration is open. https://conference.opensimulator.org/
[12:11 PM] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: If anyone has a community event that you want to host after the conference, please sign up here https://conference.opensimulator.org
[12:11 PM] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: and we always need volunteers *grins* Many thanks! It is December 6-7, 2025
[12:12 PM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: I can ask tj about it, maybe he can fix it when he has some free time. Not sure if it needs support on our end though. You can profile script memory directly if you need that
[12:12 PM] Ubit Umarov: ohh my fs beta is outdated
[12:13 PM] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: mine was too
[12:14 PM] Andrew Hellershanks: Doesn't FS start complaining when you have been using a beta for too long?
[12:14 PM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: As if timebombs could stop us xD
[12:14 PM] Ubit Umarov: yeah it dies
[12:15 PM] Ubit Umarov: that script info is also grey at sl
[12:15 PM] Ubit Umarov: odd
[12:15 PM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I got mine working in SL after posting to the FS group
[12:15 PM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Have to enable the FS Bridge
[12:16 PM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: in prefs
[12:16 PM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: and relog or recreate bridge
[12:16 PM] Ubit Umarov: pffff not going to do that
[12:16 PM] Ubit Umarov: :)
[12:16 PM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Its a bridge thing
[12:16 PM] Ubit Umarov: i never did like that bridge
[12:16 PM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: a bridge too far if you ask me
[12:16 PM] Ubit Umarov: oops
[12:17 PM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Don't think I ever used that. That's not the thing that causes these preprocessor nonsense in the scripts is it?
[12:17 PM] Ubit Umarov: look the time..
[12:17 PM] Ubit Umarov: :)
[12:17 PM] Ubit Umarov: rl calls
[12:17 PM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: yeah the time
[12:17 PM] Ubit Umarov: hope to see you all next week if not before
[12:17 PM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Next week timings back to normal as well
[12:17 PM] Neil Adams: see you all later
[12:17 PM] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: have a great week all
[12:18 PM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Guess I'm out of here too
[12:18 PM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: take care *waves and poofs
[12:19 PM] Andrew Hellershanks: How is it 20 past all of a sudden? Time flies and so have several people.
[12:19 PM] Andrew Hellershanks: If there is nothing more for today I will call this gathering to a close.
[12:19 PM] Andrew Hellershanks: Thank you all for coming. See you again next week.
