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[11:10 AM] Ubit Umarov: :)
[11:10 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: No sign of Lyr online or some of the other regulars that are in my contacts list.
[11:10 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: She may actually be resting for once
[11:11 AM] Ubit Umarov: yeah
[11:11 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: yes.
[11:11 AM] Ubit Umarov: oh that osg tp is gone
[11:11 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: If no one shows up in a while I don't see much point in sticking around.
[11:12 AM] Ubit Umarov: hmm mb this land has a long auto return
[11:12 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: I have someone waiting for some code changes.
[11:12 AM] Ubit Umarov: for non goup members
[11:13 AM] Ubit Umarov: hmm used to he a group auto invite thing nearby.. mb i removed it?
[11:13 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: Maybe it got auto returned.
[11:14 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Thinking if something worth talking about happened over the week. Only thing I got is I got some regions that somehow stopped showing terrain patches
[11:14 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Have yet to find any error in log though, not sure what's going on there
[11:14 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: I just restart them and they are fine again
[11:15 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: I suspect just users making a mess as usual bricking some thread that isn't monitored
[11:15 AM] Ubit Umarov: last issues on that whre viewers wiht 2 much udp bandwidth set for the real gpu anc pu caps
[11:16 AM] Ubit Umarov: .. and cpu caps...
[11:16 AM] Ubit Umarov: so they droped udp packets
[11:16 AM] Ubit Umarov: specially ones with terrain patchs
[11:17 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Hm interesting. I did make some changes to kernel behavior on the server end to give it some more performance, maybe that's causing hiccups
[11:17 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Then again, wasn't drastic changes either
[11:18 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: It's everyone though, not just specific users, I see it too
[11:18 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: Here comes Lyr
[11:18 AM] Ubit Umarov: well long since i saw those issues
[11:18 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: I have to keep an eye on it and figure out if it is related to anything
[11:18 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: I haven't seen that in like 12 years outside of intentionally breaking it server side
[11:18 AM] Ubit Umarov: specially after i added a extra lldup slow doewn based on acks
[11:19 AM] Ubit Umarov: but those things seems where packets received and ack by viewer
[11:19 AM] Ubit Umarov: but then droped by viewer
[11:19 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: udp is a good hint though, if it happens again I'll turn debug on for that
[11:19 AM] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: Hello *grins*
[11:19 AM] Ubit Umarov: hi
[11:19 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: Happy new year, Lyr. I was starting to wonder if anyone else was going to show up today.
[11:19 AM] Ubit Umarov: happy 2026
[11:19 AM] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: Happy New Year, Andrew
[11:19 AM] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: sorry, first day back at work *chuckles*
[11:20 AM] Ubit Umarov: yeak bad work
[11:20 AM] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: Slept in last week...was so divine
[11:20 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: Holidays are good for that.
[11:22 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: I still got nothing on the side of the crashes Cuga reported, but the honeypot has been collecting a lot of tcp data
[11:22 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: I haven't played that back at an instance yet though
[11:22 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Still trying to figure out how that works so I don't explode something that wasn't meant to explode
[11:23 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: May have to also set something up for udp logging in case that's somehow the cause
[11:23 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Network stuff is no fun, too complex for my two braincells
[11:25 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Mantis needs some love I need to get around to that at some point, been lazy with that lately
[11:27 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: No news on libgdiplus from Canonical's side, they seem to be more and more in disarray lately as well
[11:28 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Been thinking about buying one of their subscriptions and then telling them to fix that, but I the probably wouldn't anyways
[11:29 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: The Microslop virus must be spreading to linux
[11:29 AM] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: It is a new year *smiles*
[11:30 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: :)
[11:32 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: I noticed the other day that the wiki doesn't list postgres as supported database, need to fix that too at some point and throw mssql out since I have no clue if that is even still maintained
[11:36 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Was just speaking about you, well the problem you reported
[11:37 AM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Oh the listener killer?
[11:37 AM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: the dotnet request of death?
[11:37 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Yeah
[11:37 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Still collecting tcp data so far
[11:38 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, Cuga.
[11:38 AM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I'm running tcpdump but it hasn;t happened now in a couple weeks
[11:38 AM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: If it happens with tcpdump monitoring I'll definitely report what I found
[11:40 AM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I am also wondering if port 9000 is perhaps not the best choice for a standalone OS instance. Although I don;t know if its any better or worse than other choices
[11:41 AM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Do you want to look at one of the console errors from that?
[11:41 AM] Ubit Umarov: why not a good option ?
[11:41 AM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Vincent was watching it and thinks it may be riddled with gamer stuff that didn;t exist 10 years ago
[11:42 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Yeah some games use it for server stuff and so it gets attempts at hacking those
[11:43 AM] Ubit Umarov: nayway no justificatication for a crash
[11:43 AM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Want to look at one of the consoles messages from a crash?
[11:43 AM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: its about 12 lines
[11:43 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Did you catch another crash? Sure yeah definitely
[11:44 AM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: No not another, same one I showed you Vincent in Discord
[11:44 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: Tell the gamers we got the port first. ;)
[11:44 AM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Well they always look the same
[11:44 AM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Its only about 12 lines, I'll post here
[11:44 AM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: 15:20:28 - [FLOTSAM ASSET CACHE]: Finished expiring files, heap delta: 111MB. 15:49:56 - [APPLICATION]: + msg Region (root) # Unhandled exception. System.Net.Sockets.SocketException (22): Invalid argument at System.Net.Sockets.Socket.UpdateStatusAfterSocketErrorAndThrowException(SocketError error, Boolean disconnectOnFailure, String callerName) at System.Net.Sockets.Socket.UpdateStatusAfterSocketOptionErrorAndThrowException(SocketError error, String callerName) at OSHttpServer.OSHttpListener.AcceptLoop() in /Users/cuga/opensim/OpenSim/Framework/Servers/HttpServer/OSHttpServer/HttpListener.cs:line 173 at System.Threading.Tasks.Task.<>c.<ThrowAsync>b__128_1(Object state) at System.Threading.QueueUserWorkItemCallback.Execute() at System.Threading.ThreadPoolWorkQueue.Dispatch() at System.Threading.PortableThreadPool.WorkerThread.WorkerThreadStart() at System.Threading.Thread.StartCallback() ./opensim.sh: line 3: 33096 Abort trap: 6 dotnet OpenSim.dll
[11:45 AM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: So it seems "HttpListener.cs:line 173" might be a clue
[11:45 AM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: but just a guess
[11:46 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Wasn't that one we tried fixing via that null check
[11:46 AM] Andrew Hellershanks: trap 6 is another piece of data.
[11:46 AM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: yes
[11:46 AM] Ubit Umarov: that source got a change after yr report
[11:46 AM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: It did happen again
[11:46 AM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Yes I pushed the update and rebuilt OS
[11:46 AM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: and rebooted
[11:47 AM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: and it happened again
[11:47 AM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: So I reported that last week, or was it 2 wks ago
[11:48 AM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: ~/opensim/ git rev-parse --short HEAD d9ae06f338
[11:50 AM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Anyway, I'll continue monitoring
[11:50 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: If you do get another crash let me know, maybe tcpdump collected it
[11:50 AM] Ubit Umarov: that line is related to joe :)
[11:51 AM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I will defnitely
[11:51 AM] Ubit Umarov: code line 173
[11:52 AM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: what if callerName is null? Is that the fix you added?
[11:53 AM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Some of that is in a try catch, so shouldn't crash in the first place
[11:54 AM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: It might be a misleading error message
[11:54 AM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: as they often are
[11:57 AM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Its been a couple weeks now since the last time it happened. Was happening about once/week on average. Sometimes 2x/week, sometimes less
[11:58 AM] Ubit Umarov: fix was just about possible null socket
[11:58 AM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Maybe the hacker causing it is on vaca
[11:59 AM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: ok so what happens if callerName is null?
[11:59 AM] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: /me grins
[11:59 AM] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: /me waves and heads to work
[11:59 AM] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: /me grins
[11:59 AM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: smiles and waves to Lyr
[12:00 PM] Ubit Umarov: happy work
[12:00 PM] Andrew Hellershanks: Lyr, Being a responsible person in the new year going to work? ;) Bye. See you next week.
[12:03 PM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Well, I'll continue to montir and let you know if I capture anything
[12:05 PM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I guess I'm going to head out, if there's nothing else to discuss today
[12:05 PM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I don't see anyone chatting
[12:06 PM] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Need to see what I'll log of this meeting or if at all
[12:06 PM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: ok :)
[12:07 PM] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Have a good week all, and happy new years! ttyl
[12:07 PM] Ubit Umarov: happy 2026 :)
[12:10 PM] Ubit Umarov: well think rl is calling
[12:10 PM] Ubit Umarov: have a nice week :)
[12:21 PM] Andrew Hellershanks: I've been working during the meeting as someone is waiting on some change. Time to call the meeting to a close (if it will get logged).
[12:21 PM] Andrew Hellershanks: Thank you all for coming. See you again next week.
