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[11:02 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, everyone.
[11:02 AM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Hi Andrew
[11:02 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: I'll wait a few minutes for more people to arrive before we get started.
[11:02 AM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I have to leave early todaym around 11:45
[11:02 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Hi everyone
[11:03 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: hi
[11:03 AM PT] Lyr Lobo: Hello *grins*
[11:03 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: ok, Cuga.
[11:03 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: Lyr!
[11:03 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Cuga, if you have anything to talk about you can be first.
[11:04 AM PT] Lyr Lobo: heya *grins*
[11:04 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, Lyr
[11:04 AM PT] Lyr Lobo: Great to see you
[11:05 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Who me?
[11:05 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: :)
[11:05 AM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I don't have anything new :) thanks though
[11:05 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: ok, Cuga.
[11:06 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: well then abotu last week code changes.. hmm ohh none... lazy devs
[11:06 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: hehe
[11:06 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Time to get out the whip. ;)
[11:06 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, tx.Oh
[11:07 AM PT] tx.0h @tinkerland.orang.org:9000: hi
[11:07 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: hi
[11:07 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: I have an annoying problem I don't expect an answer to:
[11:08 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: go ahead, Kayaker.
[11:08 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: I noticed that save oar gets a bunch of errors like this one: 19:35:39 - [ARCHIVER Warning]: object 0154c4cb-92ad-49fb-9d9e-7ab6e32a93b2 'Slum Manor Apartments.w/ Fire Escape
[11:08 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: that says Warning not Error
[11:08 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: what do you expect in a slum? things go missing all the time
[11:08 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: I took some of the offending objects into inventory where I can take them apart (using a PHP script) and examine every UUID, and I never find any missing ones.
[11:08 AM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I always get lots of those
[11:09 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: yes
[11:09 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Good one, Gavin.
[11:09 AM PT] Lyr Lobo: hehe
[11:09 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: see... all things are scanned looking for UUIDs..
[11:09 AM PT] Lyr Lobo: so warnings are not irregular
[11:09 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: including script sources..
[11:09 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I get a lot of such messages too when writing oars. never seen any real harm except in a few rare cases
[11:09 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: So the way the uuid gatherer works is that it crawls everything for references to things including script contents. So if you have a hardcoded uuid in there for a user it assumes that to be an asset it has to fetch, because it could be reference to a texture
[11:10 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: ofc code can't tell of those UUIDs are assets or not..
[11:10 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: Scripts are scanned for UUIDs?
[11:10 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: In most cases that stuff can be safely ignored and you can test load the oar to see if importing it causes objects to fail because of missing assets
[11:10 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: so anyways it does trey to get a asset wiuth that uuid
[11:10 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: if it fails you get that warning..
[11:10 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: I know Kitely does that and they find UUIDs inside /* comments */ and generate errors for those anyway....
[11:10 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: yeap same thing
[11:11 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: may also happen on notecards etc
[11:11 AM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: its too bad those warnings/errors aren't reliable, otherwise they could be used to fix things
[11:11 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: such as landmarks in NC
[11:11 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: can't be
[11:12 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: I mean you could add something to check if a uuid refers to a user, but think about how much heavier that would make the process
[11:12 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: unless hiring chatgpt for a lonf time to guess if a uuid is a asset or not
[11:12 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: so best just look for a asset :p
[11:13 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: It gives you the item it fails on so you can check yourself if there is something in there it might be getting tripped up on
[11:13 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Whole point of the warning really to give you debug information to check
[11:13 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: connect chatgpt on NPCs so you can have a good chat with them
[11:14 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: ok im sorry i did mention chatgpt :p
[11:14 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: hihihi
[11:14 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: :-)
[11:14 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: Yeah, I get one warning about an object with 44 child prims with scripts in 10 of them... I suppose that means only 10 items to track down and scan by hand now.
[11:14 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: sorry, I'll take that back
[11:14 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: :)
[11:15 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: :)
[11:16 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: well and im sorry i keep talking abotu firestorm and not other viewers.. but that is the one i can current compile and may ppl is using.
[11:16 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: This is actually useful information. To make transfering all the Arcadia stuff, I'm creating lots of textures in the database that have the same UUID as they did in SL. That fixes a lot of old SL scripts.
[11:16 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: I'm going to hazard a guess that it would be too complicated/messy to state what item had the problematic reference.
[11:16 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: the last alpha still does crash on opensim
[11:17 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: if we have a clean inventory cache...
[11:17 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: this will also happen to anyviewer that does merge ll changes, ofc
[11:17 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: It tells you the object name, position and the key even, that's enough information to find it usually
[11:17 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: wel i did spent more time and think i did found the issue
[11:17 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: at least another one
[11:18 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: also how to get back the full inv fetch
[11:19 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: details, at https://jira.firestormviewer.org/browse/FIRE-34403
[11:20 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: gavin, you will get that also if you merge ll code
[11:20 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: :-))
[11:21 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: dan did test with a crude binary i made... withou sound etc..
[11:21 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: we should wait for fs to release a new alpha with that
[11:21 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: for more ppl to test
[11:21 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: but now dan can full fetch his small >50k items inventory
[11:21 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Apple is in full beta mode with the next version of macOS and I have struggled the last couple days to build a boot disk with the new system. It turned out to be a USB cable which was good enough to install the system to the disk, but not good enough to set the disk as boot disk. Bah!
[11:22 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Boot over usb?
[11:22 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: usb cables specs are going sky high with usb 4
[11:22 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: yes USB-C connected drive
[11:22 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: you will need a very good cable ( and expensive )
[11:23 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Some ride motorcycles for the thrill :)
[11:23 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: when I found the right cable it writes 980 MB/sec over the 10 megabit link
[11:24 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: With twice that in overhead no doubt
[11:24 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: that does not sound right :)
[11:24 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: it is pretty much as good as it gets for the link speed
[11:24 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: mb 10Gigabit?
[11:24 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: of course
[11:24 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: duh
[11:24 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: :)
[11:25 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: yeah but for that you do need excelent cables
[11:25 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: yep
[11:25 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: and like one meter at most
[11:25 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: the one I sued can't be more than 25 cm
[11:26 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: used*
[11:26 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: 980 MBytes over a 10 megabit link??
[11:26 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Gold plated connectors, water cooled jacket and pre-nuke steel shielding xD
[11:26 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: :-)
[11:26 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: ah, Gigabit. That makes more sense.
[11:26 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: :)
[11:26 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Boot over usb is like using xml to send binary data... oh wait
[11:27 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: hehe
[11:28 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: so I'll test if this viewer stuff works on the new version
[11:28 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: it sure won't build on it
[11:28 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: This remindsme of the brand of cables called Monster Cables.
[11:28 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: think the inv was broken near end of last year
[11:28 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: Oct, Nov or dec
[11:28 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Speaking of xml actually that reminds me. Andrew. You need to have a look at the ossearch thing sooner rather than later, because I found some disturbing entries in the hostsregister which I think got in there because of how it parses incoming requests. Please add something to prevent anything but IP addresses from being entered into it
[11:28 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Monster Cables fastened with Gorilla tape
[11:28 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: seen the commits but forgot exact date :)
[11:30 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: well top hdmi also needs grat cables.. etc
[11:30 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: like 200Euros cables :p
[11:30 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Vincent, any example of a "disturbing entry"?
[11:30 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Is it related to an HG entry?
[11:30 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: try sending 8K TV over your mom's hdmi (not that I have an 8K TV)
[11:31 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: ( wel guess some audio ppl pay more for pseudo directional and blabla audio cables )
[11:31 AM PT] Lyr Lobo coughs and smiles
[11:31 AM PT] Lyr Lobo: yes, I own Monster cables
[11:32 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: :)
[11:32 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: I suspect attempts to utilize the search data requests it sends via the host register to do malicious things. The entries in there contained urls with appended javascript. The search system goes through the register and makes xmlrpc requests to the entries to fetch the search data, so if that points elsewhere... well you can imagine what that might do
[11:32 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: fun.. 8k tv.. for what eyes?
[11:32 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: :)
[11:33 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Never mind the fact that it adds nonsense to the table and holds up the parser
[11:33 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: even 4k sounds liek waste.. but whatever
[11:34 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: 4K is like sitting seeing out the window when you watch nature programs
[11:34 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: btw i also looked around webrtc things.. no news
[11:34 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Vincent, that definitely does sound odd. Not sure how unsafe it is as the code is using mysqli to help prevent SQL injection. Still, no point saving something where it appears someone is messing about.
[11:35 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: well maybe when i change my glasses bateries gavin..
[11:35 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: even the viewer window at 1680x1080 effective resolution is rendered at 3360x2160 resolution for the Mac retina display. makes a big difference
[11:36 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: yeah.. overheats yr gpu
[11:36 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: :)
[11:36 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: The problem is more with it sending outbound requests to urls that don't make sense or potentially try to inject things elsewhere. So you don't want to be labeled a spam vector and get blacklisted. Should be simple filter_var validate_ip and is_int for the port to filter out most of the nonsense
[11:36 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: it does lower the framerate some, yes
[11:36 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: but looks damn good
[11:37 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Ideally the register routine would test if the endpoint answers to OpenSim type requests like /agent/0 with a 200 status or something to prevent anything entering data in the first place
[11:37 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: bbiab. phone
[11:37 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: well hope you wear a good jacket there outside the window
[11:37 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: ;)
[11:39 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: bah. Just a phishing call. Suspicious activity was detected on a brand of credit card that I don't even own or use.
[11:40 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: the telcos here does a good job of terminating such calls even before the properly start
[11:40 AM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Gavin, you get much better frame rate if you don't use a retina screen
[11:40 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: they run a large db of spam numbers
[11:41 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Thanks for the report, Vincent. I should be mildly surprised the ossearch module is still being used by some people.
[11:41 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I know Cuga, but I prefer the lower rate and much clearer display
[11:41 AM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: :)
[11:43 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: also if you are on a retina Mac the compositor must upscale it anyway, so the actual frame loss is not that big
[11:44 AM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I keep my 14" retina laptop lid closed and use a 2540x1600 monitor. I get like double the frame rate
[11:44 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Intel?
[11:44 AM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: silicon
[11:44 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: ok
[11:45 AM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: the laptop screen is bigger than 2540 so that also might be a factor
[11:46 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: with a 2540 retina, the compositor must upscale that to 5080 if you use that monitor
[11:47 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: hmm 5080? thats a 8k monitor?
[11:47 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Apple use 5k monitors in some products
[11:47 AM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: my external monitor is not retina (on purpose) so 2540 is 2540
[11:47 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: nobody else does
[11:47 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: ok
[11:48 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: they are fantastic screens acutally
[11:48 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: 120ppi or round about there I think is best. Sharp enough for most details yet doesn't overdrive the gpu into a flaming hot mess
[11:48 AM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: they are great if you don;t care about frame rate on FS :)
[11:48 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: 1440p at 24" :)
[11:48 AM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: My eyesight is not good enough to see much difference
[11:48 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Heh me neither
[11:49 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: people get old iMacs, buy a monitor mod kits, and you have a dirt cheap 5K display
[11:49 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: guess no one can see dif btw 8k and 4k on a normal monitor at normal distance
[11:49 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: possible even 4k / 1080
[11:50 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: you can Ubit
[11:50 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: and if you are over 35 yrs old
[11:50 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: use glasses
[11:50 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: or lenses
[11:51 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: yeah microscope may detect dif :p
[11:51 AM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I need to head to another meeting.. take care everybody
[11:51 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: LL pushed a new default viewer
[11:51 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: with mirrors disabled by default
[11:51 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: pff
[11:51 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: ok, Cuga. Thanks for dropping by.
[11:51 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: so they where not able to fix them? :)
[11:52 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: close to 850 commits form the previous version which was only a few weeks back
[11:52 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: oh and a mandatory updage
[11:52 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: is it mandatory?
[11:52 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: yeap
[11:52 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: oh
[11:52 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: older version refused to run
[11:53 AM PT] Lyr Lobo: Before we close, I'd like to mention that we are planning OSCC for December 7-8 this year, a week earlier. We start our conference planning meetings in September and have a Call for Proposals for sessions, Viewer Panels, and more due in October *smiles* More info will be available in a couple of weeks
[11:54 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: most likely mandatory because of WebRTC voice
[11:54 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: duhh seems the sl viewer killed this one :)
[11:54 AM PT] Lyr Lobo: yes
[11:54 AM PT] Lyr Lobo: saw you drop
[11:54 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: bahh webrtc voice does nto work on the test regions
[11:55 AM PT] Lyr Lobo: I announced the dates for OSCC while you were unconscious *laughs*
[11:55 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: only local parcel voice.. no IMs
[11:55 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: they will be in the minutes Lyr
[11:55 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: even text IMs do not work there
[11:55 AM PT] Lyr Lobo: Thanks, Gavin *grins*
[11:55 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: :)
[11:55 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: yeah the whole voice deal seems to be a bit of a setback
[11:56 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Thanks, Lyr. I was thinking about the OSCC when I started the meeting.
[11:56 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: but it works in *mobile* so
[11:56 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: parcels seems working.. and kinda does spacial
[11:56 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: From what I hear the vertical axis isn't working either so you only get rough directional audio
[11:57 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Is WebRTC going to solve the problem of voice as a replacement to Vivox?
[11:57 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: for ll, yes :P
[11:57 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: most like solved a financial problem for them
[11:57 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: It's supposed to. Well if LL can actually implement it properly at some point next .... year maybe
[11:58 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Well Vivox owned by Unity, which aren't exactly fun to deal with at higher corpo levels
[11:58 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: What would it take in order for it to be used with OS?
[11:58 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: a working backend
[11:58 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: still looking...
[11:58 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, Joe.
[11:58 AM PT] Joe Magarac: Hi, way late.
[11:58 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Hi Joe
[11:59 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Joe, yes. We are getting close to the end of the meeting for today.
[11:59 AM PT] Joe Magarac: Yes, just wanted people to know I'm still around.
[11:59 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: ofc when one talks about a "standard" one needs to mention standard in use by whom.. :p
[12:00 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: iw we are talking about ll webrtc that is not google webrtc or discord webrtc.. etc
[12:00 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Joe, :)
[12:01 PM PT] Joe Magarac: Client side or server side?
[12:01 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: on viewers they use google webrtc lib with own patchs
[12:01 PM PT] Joe Magarac: There's a Rust client.
[12:01 PM PT] Joe Magarac: I plan to use that.
[12:01 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: server side they use modified janus and coturn
[12:01 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: plau some other glue possible
[12:02 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: plus
[12:02 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: ofc also region side caps
[12:02 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: smashing!
[12:03 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: I'm going to guess that janus and coturn are programs that cost $$$.
[12:03 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: opensource
[12:04 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: linux only
[12:04 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Oh, now that is interesting.
[12:04 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: maybe it can run on a cheap PI
[12:04 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: :)
[12:04 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: joe https://github.com/secondlife/3p-webrtc-build.git
[12:04 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: so people can afford it
[12:05 PM PT] Lyr Lobo: Many thanks, dear friends. I must dash
[12:05 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: cheers
[12:05 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: has the patchs they to apply
[12:05 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: ok, Lyr. Thanks for dropping by.
[12:05 PM PT] Lyr Lobo: Have a great week! *grins*
[12:05 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: you too.
[12:06 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: i mean janus and coturn are opensource.. not the changed ones they sue
[12:06 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: use
[12:07 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: viewer side code is gpl.. servers are not
[12:07 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: cloned
[12:07 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: wel can be but closed source :)
[12:07 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: janus is easy to setup, but the custom data plugin is a whole nother thing
[12:07 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: bah it is linux only
[12:08 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: I have the opposite reaction. :)
[12:08 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: What is the custom data plugin required to do?
[12:08 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: remember all silent standalones we hav e outthere on win
[12:08 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: spatial sound.. is one
[12:09 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: plaus their on signiling
[12:09 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: There goes Joe.
[12:09 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I think I am going to signal myself over to something else
[12:10 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: ofc we only lose voice when viewers remove vivox
[12:10 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: ok, Gavin. Thanks for being here.
[12:10 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: the vivox sl voice does work with freswitch
[12:10 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: If nothing else I should have tested viewers on beta versions of next macOS by next meeting
[12:10 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: cheers
[12:10 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: just with the simpler g711 codec
[12:11 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks waves to Gavin
[12:11 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks is trying to type while a cat is standing on his lap and is licking his hand and forearm with the occasional bite thrown in for good measure.
[12:12 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: mine also like to lick my nose :)
[12:12 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: but not here now :)
[12:13 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: As I'm typing under difficulties and trying to get the cat from stealing various pens and pencils, and that it is past the hour, are there any last minute items for today?
[12:14 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: I don't see any signs of any typing in progress so I will take that as a no.
[12:14 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: :)
[12:14 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: rl also calls me
[12:14 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: On that basis I will say my usual thank you for coming. See you again next week.
[12:14 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: have fun ppl
[12:14 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: You too, Ubit.
