Chat log from the meeting on 2022-10-25

[11:14 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: so abotu last week changes on code :) [11:14 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: i kept doing changes on the dotnet6 branch [11:14 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: a lot just code style changes, a few with performance impact [11:15 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: some, both on main code and libopenmetaverse with more direct performance impact [11:15 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: using some new features of .net.6 like readonlyspan, etc [11:16 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: on both main and dotnet i added 2 new LSL functions [11:16 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: for compatibility with sl [11:17 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: llSHA256String() that i just like osSHA256 we already had [11:17 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: and llObjectGetLinkKey [11:18 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: like name says allows to get the uuid of a prim or sitting avatar on another linkset [11:19 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: I have a question about HG settings: On a small grid with HG access, in the GridCommon.ini of every region, in the [HGAssetService]

section, I set DisallowExport ="Unknown, Texture, ..." to prevent copybotting. It worked, we can't give anything to any HG visitors. What doesn't work is: I commented that line out in one region as a transfer location to give stuff to HG vistors. Restarted, still cannot give anything to HG visitors. Is there a good reason why I can't turn this off? (It is not set in Robust.ini)

[11:20 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: sadly that works at low level [11:20 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: assets transfer. people may get broken inventory items [11:22 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: We get an viewer pop-up with a message about unable to transfer that item or some such. [11:22 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: it not present, assets should be allowed [11:25 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: The viewer error is "Not allowed to transfer this item." [11:25 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: and console? [11:28 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: yes and region console? [11:28 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: looking... [11:29 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: No error, I get just the atempt to transfer: " [INVENTORY TRANSFER]: (giving) Inserting item 5565ded4-0512-494e-afe8-59d29b9ae5bf into agent 95c7aca2-1965-4df9-af94-cdcbe7afed0a's inventory " [11:31 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: dunno [11:31 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: sure the peer ahs allowed import ? [11:31 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: I created several cubes with full perm to test with. [11:32 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: I tried the same transfer in a region with DissallowExport and without, I see the same transfer message and the same viewer error. [11:34 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: Tried several destination avs, including this one here in OSGrid [11:34 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: well on my test regions i also have that comment out and tranfers work [11:35 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: Yeah, I've never uncommented it before, have seen transfers work on another grid, was happy when they did not on this one (since that was the plan) [11:36 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: also check the urls [11:36 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: Arielle! Welcome! [11:36 AM PT] Arielle Popstar: Hi Kayaker :) [11:36 AM PT] Arielle Popstar: Hi all [11:37 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: HomeURI there [11:37 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: [HGAssetService] HomeURI [11:38 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: still confusing that one [11:39 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: also be sure that the SRV_ entry on origin grid is correct [11:39 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: That appears in several sections, I'm using the default: HomeURI = "${Const|BaseURL}:${Const|PublicPort}" [11:40 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: yeah but confusing, because may be diferent things [11:40 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: in same places may be the global thing, on others relative to that service [11:41 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: ?What is the SRV_entry?\ [11:41 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: ofc no fun if that was simple and clear :p [11:41 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: . [11:42 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: on robust.ini [11:42 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: SRV_HomeURI = "${Const|BaseURL}:${Const|PublicPort}"

   SRV_InventoryServerURI = "${Const|BaseURL}:${Const|PublicPort}"
   SRV_AssetServerURI = "${Const|BaseURL}:${Const|PublicPort}"
   SRV_ProfileServerURI = "${Const|BaseURL}:${Const|PublicPort}"
   SRV_FriendsServerURI = "${Const|BaseURL}:${Const|PublicPort}"
   SRV_IMServerURI = "${Const|BaseURL}:${Const|PublicPort}"
   SRV_GroupsServerURI = "${Const|BaseURL}:${Const|PublicPort}"

[11:43 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: and on StandaloneCommon.ini [11:43 AM PT] Arielle Popstar: why does the IM server not store offline messages from friends in another grid? [11:44 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: Ah, that is in Robust.ini. I am using those defaults as well. [11:44 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: dunno [11:44 AM PT] Arielle Popstar: can you fix it? [11:45 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: possible issues with potencial unkown ids [11:45 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: HG visitor ids are not very presistent [11:45 AM PT] Arielle Popstar: if the message arrived when i am online it seems it should be available to be stored when i am not [11:45 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: even on friends [11:46 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: ill try to look [11:46 AM PT] Arielle Popstar: thank you [11:46 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: Report it in a Mantis! [11:46 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: yeha mantis alwyas helps [11:47 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, everyone.I was at my workbench so I didn't notice the time and then my cat wanted play time. [11:47 AM PT] Arielle Popstar: not really a bug as it has always been that way [11:47 AM PT] Motoko.Karu @login.digiworldz.com:8002: ;) [11:47 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: yeah, guess there is a deeper reason, somewhere :) [11:47 AM PT] Arielle Popstar: diva might know [11:47 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: I've noticed there is a different message if you try to send to a HG user who is on-line than when they are off-line. [11:48 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: The off-line message says "unable to deliver" or something that inidicates the message was lost. [11:48 AM PT] Arielle Popstar: yes seems like that [11:49 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: well a lost one can't be stored on recepient offline, ofc [11:49 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: My solution has been to HG jump the the destination grid, then send an IM and it is stored (somewhere) and the destination AV get it on next login [11:50 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: that is a dif issue, possible [11:50 AM PT] Arielle Popstar: yes, done the same but a bit of a clunky workaround [11:50 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: but need check [11:50 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: may happen target offline returns that [11:50 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: there is also a off grid spam issue [11:51 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: potencial spam issue [11:51 AM PT] Arielle Popstar: the viewers have spam protection? [11:51 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: inside a grid the sender uuid is known [11:51 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: via HG, they are not known [11:51 AM PT] Arielle Popstar: but if they are listed as a friend then not really unknown [11:52 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: and IMs can't go waste time checking friends everywhere [11:52 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: yes my friends are deeper on another service and another db [11:52 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: just checking is opening a big DDOS door [11:53 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: but well need check [11:53 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: guess we also only have some ddos checks sender side.. not or recvrs [11:54 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: ( ie msg throttles ) [11:54 AM PT] Arielle Popstar: can that be instituted receiver side? [11:55 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: (busy response): Unable to send instant message. User is not logged in. [11:55 AM PT] Arielle Popstar: are messages UDP? [11:55 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: udp is only use to viewers [11:55 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: all damm heavy http elsewhere [11:56 AM PT] Arielle Popstar: what the advanytage with http then/. [11:56 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: that was the msg o got here sending a im to me at my grid :) [11:56 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: ppl just love http [11:56 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: ll is moving all udp to http [11:56 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: ir http on top of tcp [11:57 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: at same time google moved http 3 to udp [11:57 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: bahh [11:57 AM PT] Arielle Popstar: yes i was reading that a while ago [11:58 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: it is a lot industry "fastion" [11:58 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: back in 2010 or so, it was all http and xml [11:58 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: xmlrpc or rest etc [11:59 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: now many just replaced xml by json [11:59 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: others like google some binary protocol again, like google protobuf [12:00 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: so opensim APIs where made with 2000, 2010 ideas [12:01 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: sadly so current new SL apis [12:01 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: for example profiles are current broken on fs beta [12:01 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: and other viewers [12:01 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: Beq already spent hours fixing it, but still issus [12:02 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: just LL totally killed it [12:02 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: seeing that [12:03 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: ll had no code for "legacy profiles" only web ones [12:03 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: added again the "legacy" but with a very bad http api that i just refuse to add [12:04 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: bc would mean changes from regions to grid backend [12:04 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: inc other profile modules [12:04 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: but as i said Beq already did fi most of them [12:05 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: just a few issues with picks et [12:05 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: i'm on the newest beta but it isnt working here [12:05 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: we actually should make a fs jira on those [12:05 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: it does show several things [12:05 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: where? [12:05 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: profiles [12:06 PM PT] Jamie.Jordan @grid.kitely.com:8002: i've gotta go yall have a great day [12:06 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: i just looked at your profile and nothing but your name [12:06 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Bye, Jamie. Thanks for dropping by [12:06 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: hmm ok when i r-click on you and select profile i do [12:07 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: ok maybe just needs more time then it used to to fill [12:07 PM PT] Ubit Test: oops [12:07 PM PT] Ubit Test: lol [12:07 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: sorry closed the wrong viewer :) [12:08 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: :) [12:08 PM PT] Ubit Test: fs 6.6.5.68123 does show most [12:08 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: ubit test profile blank [12:08 PM PT] Ubit Test: not picks [12:08 PM PT] Ubit Test: and no notes [12:08 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: https://gyazo.com/ea97bd261b8c636906157c7dd50a1995 [12:09 PM PT] Ubit Test: is that the version i told? [12:09 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: thats on 64.6.6.6.68324 [12:09 PM PT] Kayaker Magic: 666, the number of the beast! [12:09 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: ohh mre recent than mine? [12:10 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: yah noticed that [12:10 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: yes [12:10 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: well them possible there was a regression [12:10 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: bc on tht 6.6.5 most was working [12:10 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: I'm on 6.6.3 and I can see my own profile. [12:10 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: There is even profile data in the web tab. [12:11 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: yes LL code was merge after 6.6..3 [12:11 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: and deleted all the good code fs had [12:11 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: feed works for me [12:11 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: strange how 6.6.6 is worse that 6.6.5 [12:12 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: mergede with s/l viewer code? [12:12 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: 6.6..5 i have has Beq fixes [12:12 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: putting back most the lludp code we need [12:12 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: only on the opensim viewer? [12:12 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: ofc [12:13 PM PT] Kayaker Magic: RL calling, gota go. Thanks all! [12:13 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: Tc Kay [12:14 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: wle Beq knows the issue and is working on it, when has time :) [12:14 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: hope other viewer devs also [12:14 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: bc really the now LL API is just BAD [12:15 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: the new, i mean [12:16 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: so sad how the replace some really good lludp byt pretty bad http xml crap [12:16 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks nods [12:16 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: but in case of this API is even worse.. is to do a lot more trafic [12:16 PM PT] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: bye all [12:16 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Bye, Selby. [12:16 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: cya selby.Evans [12:17 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: This is another reason we need our own viewer so we don't have to worry about how LL might make things worse. [12:17 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: well fear future merge of dotnet6 into master will be a big pain [12:18 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: the way i moved BOTH at same time [12:18 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: merge will be a big pain :) [12:18 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: cant we use the FS opensim one [12:18 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: but at this point im keeping 2 diferent code bases [12:19 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: we do use fs for opensim ofc [12:19 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: or any other viewer version for opensim, if they have both [12:19 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: yes but why not from before their latest merge? [12:19 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: the last release ins 6.6.3 [12:19 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: and that is bf merge [12:20 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: betas do have the issue [12:20 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: ofc we can stay on 6.6.3 until there is a fix [12:20 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: but that is bad [12:20 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: why? [12:20 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: we all miss also code like rendering improvements [12:20 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: no new features is there? [12:21 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: well there are those.. rendering performance improvements [12:21 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: have those been an improvemtn in opensim/./ [12:21 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: ofc [12:21 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: its render side.. same as sl [12:22 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: so between a rock and a hard place [12:22 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: well i hope Beq will find the time to fix the last issues [12:22 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: my 6.6.5 is almost there [12:23 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: as i said only picks and notes still bad [12:23 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: strange that 6.6.6 [12:23 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: sure its for opensim? [12:23 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: so you cant save any nasty notes about me [12:23 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: oh i use paper on that [12:23 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: supposedly according to the one i picked [12:23 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: postits all around the monitor even [12:24 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: haha hard copy, good idea [12:25 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Not a good idea for me. The cat would start trying to play with them and knock them off on to the desk. [12:25 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: it is also possible ?? all Beq work is still not merged into main fs ??? [12:25 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: it came up on a web page [12:25 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: seeing i can find it in history [12:26 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: oh i see the 6.6.6 notice at sl [12:27 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: well dunno [12:27 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: ill try that 6.6.6 [12:27 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: not seeing. I was surprised it triggered a web page though [12:27 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: had a list of different beta versions [12:28 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: S/L windows, linux etx [12:28 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: as well as Opensim [12:29 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: nothing in e-mail [12:29 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: i see it on a SL group [12:29 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: ok [12:30 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: wel Beta versions are that... working test versions [12:30 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: Osgrid concurrency is really increasing [12:30 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: seeing 188 online [12:31 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: bet a lot of s/l people are worried [12:31 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: with the Tilla spin off [12:31 PM PT] Motoko.Karu @login.digiworldz.com:8002: tilla? [12:31 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: Tilia [12:31 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: the money thing? [12:31 PM PT] Motoko.Karu @login.digiworldz.com:8002: what's that? [12:31 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: yes [12:32 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: they are a seperate company now [12:32 PM PT] Motoko.Karu @login.digiworldz.com:8002: sorry..haven't been in the SL realm for awhile now [12:32 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: The payment processor being used by LL for SL. [12:32 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: sl made a companie to run the currency [12:32 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: bc legal reasons etc [12:32 PM PT] Motoko.Karu @login.digiworldz.com:8002: ah... interesting [12:32 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: they where already another company [12:32 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: but on same group [12:32 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Ubit, I need to go. Will you post the meeting log? [12:33 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: then got investments from Chase Manhatten bank [12:33 PM PT] Motoko.Karu @login.digiworldz.com:8002: interesting... found their site [12:33 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: cant you do it later? [12:33 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: guess meeting is over now [12:33 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: I can. I'll wait a while until the chat logger is turned off. [12:34 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: well meeting is over :) [12:34 PM PT] Motoko.Karu @login.digiworldz.com:8002: hehe [12:34 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: ok. Thank you all for coming. See you next week. </pre>