Chat log from the meeting on 2020-10-06

Todays meeting was held in Hurliman Plaza because a bug in the code used to run Dev Outreach was causing viewers to crash.

[11:27] Kayaker Magic: Ubit, there is a rumor going around the Metaverse that you are going to remove "My Suitcase" from the HG code.
[11:27] Ubit Umarov: well guess master is currently broken
[11:27] Ubit Umarov: opps
[11:28] Andrew Hellershanks: This is better. I kept crashing shortly after arriving at the usual location.
[11:28] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, everyone.
[11:28] Ubit Umarov: yeah master is currently broken.. ooops
[11:28] Ubit Umarov: fun my region with it works fine
[11:29] Ubit Umarov: but some unit tests fail
[11:29] Ubit Umarov: so.. something odd somewhere
[11:29] Andrew Hellershanks: Hm... this region is Gloebit enabled or was that the other location??
[11:29] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: could be something in the setup of that region
[11:29] Ubit Umarov: nahh bill didn't change that
[11:29] Ubit Umarov: its my code
[11:29] Ubit Umarov: this changes where low level
[11:30] Ubit Umarov: plenty of room for smoke
[11:30] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Hi Selby
[11:30] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: hi everyone
[11:30] Kayaker Magic: Hi Selby, you found the meeting!
[11:30] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, Selby
[11:30] dj phil: HI
[11:30] Ada Radius: Hi Selby
[11:30] Ada Radius: Hi dj
[11:30] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Hi dj
[11:31] Ubit Umarov: odd crash seems to have no relation with the tests..
[11:31] Andrew Hellershanks: Was there any chat at the other location to be saved for todays gathering?
[11:31] Ubit Umarov: well fun fegug
[11:31] Ubit Umarov: and debug
[11:31] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: lsl bridge related crash?
[11:31] dj phil: "Tests" about experiences ?
[11:34] Kayaker Magic: Everyone still there?
[11:34] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: yep
[11:34] Ubit Umarov: well did a commit warning that master is broken
[11:35] dj phil: hg inventory things
[11:36] Ubit Umarov: well it may also be that Meeting is actually not updated
[11:36] dj phil: I guess we won't be able to use get / set environment until experiences things are implemented ...
[11:37] Ubit Umarov: will not
[11:38] Ubit Umarov: at most a ossl may be added for that
[11:38] Ubit Umarov: but its a big pain to add, and i don't like the ll
[11:38] Kayaker Magic: Experiences, isn't that some dumb SL thing?
[11:38] Ubit Umarov: well they mk some sense there
[11:39] Ubit Umarov: they avoid some requests for permissions
[11:39] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: pathfinding is the dumb thing
[11:39] Ubit Umarov: both are :)
[11:39] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: experiences makes a bit of sense
[11:39] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: could perhaps remove the need for RLV which is a major pain to support on the viewer
[11:39] dj phil: so ossl will bypass the permissions that are granted by experiences ... much like attach permission things
[11:39] Ubit Umarov: about set env i will wait for more sl changes on it
[11:40] Ubit Umarov: we may also have names collisions with lightshare scritps
[11:40] dj phil: hehe
[11:41] Ubit Umarov: well last code changes are on low level things
[11:41] dj phil: so ossl will bypass the permissions that are granted by experiences ... much like attach permission things.
[11:42] dj phil: oops sorry
[11:42] Ubit Umarov: store some strings as true UTF8 instead on .net/windoes UTF16
[11:42] dj phil: wrong copy/paste
[11:42] dj phil: lightshare has never been a nice code, according to what I have heard already in the past ...
[11:42] Ubit Umarov: and also change some LLSD seriealization acording
[11:43] Ubit Umarov: should mean a bite less work memory usage and less cpu
[11:43] Ubit Umarov: and a bit less also
[11:43] dj phil: i guess Ubit hate lightshare :)
[11:43] Ubit Umarov: lightshare is old news
[11:43] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: bit bite byte - hard to keep track
[11:43] Ubit Umarov: not talking about it
[11:44] Ubit Umarov: i mean it seems working fine
[11:44] Ubit Umarov: with the issues on some old WL viewers
[11:44] Ubit Umarov: that just do not change env
[11:44] dj phil: ha you try the old lightshare panel from meta7 already ?
[11:44] Ubit Umarov: what panel?
[11:45] dj phil: I will give you a panel
[11:45] Ubit Umarov: ok
[11:45] Ubit Umarov: ofc old things can be now broken because other changes
[11:46] dj phil: look my avi ubit
[11:46] Kayaker Magic: I thought liteshare was being replaced by EEP. So who cares about lighshare any more?
[11:46] dj phil: This one
[11:46] Ubit Umarov: yeah see u wearing something
[11:46] dj phil: i give you one
[11:46] Ubit Umarov: got it ty
[11:46] dj phil: yw
[11:46] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: it still needs to be completely removed from the viewer code, and it is a tangled mess
[11:47] Ubit Umarov: will try to look once i recover master :)
[11:47] dj phil: Broken man :)
[11:48] Ubit Umarov: well broken man has other meaning, ignoring you said that :p
[11:49] Ubit Umarov: and what other news do you have about opensim ?
[11:49] dj phil: In french I would have easier to make jokes :)
[11:49] Ubit Umarov: yeah translation my endup with other meaning
[11:49] Kayaker Magic: I heard a rumor that OpenSim was going to drop support of My Suitcase for HG
[11:49] Ubit Umarov: rumor kayaker
[11:50] Ubit Umarov: it has issues.. but drop is not planned
[11:50] dj phil: I have one new about rainbow ... send on IRC yesterday. It requires shadows enabled.
[11:50] Ubit Umarov: sl is going to change viewers self healing of inventory
[11:50] Ubit Umarov: lets see how it goes
[11:51] Ubit Umarov: the new rainbow is on master
[11:51] dj phil: working fine for me now, 100%
[11:51] Ubit Umarov: but those things do need proper settings on viewer graphics, ofc
[11:51] dj phil: exactly :)
[11:52] dj phil: I just hadn't activated it in my FS 6.4.x
[11:52] Ubit Umarov: on some crashes viewer sets all to basic
[11:53] dj phil: Yeah I don't know why he wasn't activated ... maybe just a silly oversight
[11:54] dj phil: It's solved, everything is cool now :)
[11:56] dj phil: No more black squares for the stars ... what happiness :)
[11:57] dj phil: I love the news
[11:57] dj phil: I switch to silent mode, listen to the others :)
[12:01] Andrew Hellershanks: wow We are at the top of the hour already today. We can keep going a little longer if you want due to the late start due to the issue with the other region.
[12:01] Kayaker Magic: I don't have any more questions for today.
[12:02] Andrew Hellershanks: Any one else have any questions/comments/issues for today?
[12:02] Kayaker Magic: OK, Send Ubit back to work fixing Master!
[12:03] Andrew Hellershanks: I don't see anyone typing so I'll close the meeting for today.
[12:03] Ada Radius: ty Andrew
[12:03] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: bye all
[12:03] Andrew Hellershanks: Thank you all for coming. See you again next week. WIth luck, back at the usual location.