Chat log from the meeting on 2019-10-01

[10:59] Kayaker Magic: Gavin, I seem to have overloaded my region on my Raspberry Pi.
[10:59] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: have you?
[10:59] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: :-)
[10:59] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: how?
[10:59] Kayaker Magic: It stated spitting "out of memory" errors from scripts,
[11:00] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: did you pull the plug?
[11:00] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: reboot?
[11:00] Kayaker Magic: when I restarted it, those scripts say their state is missing.
[11:00] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: check the printer^
[11:00] Kayaker Magic: "unable to load script state file"
[11:01] Kayaker Magic: Just happened 10 minutes ago, no time to check things out.
[11:01] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: just delete the ScriptEngines folder and let it recompile them again
[11:02] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: unless something happened to the file system of course
[11:02] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: did the machine crash?
[11:02] Kayaker Magic: I've been adding prims, scripted items, thousands of trees, a ski-lift, toboggans, FPS was still good.
[11:02] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: good
[11:02] Kayaker Magic: System still up, restarted mono OpenSim
[11:02] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: are you running off of the sd card?
[11:03] Kayaker Magic: Yeah, but it is only a few weeks old!
[11:03] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I have it on a USB stick
[11:03] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: opensim will probalby exhaust the number of writes on an sd card in a very short time
[11:03] Kayaker Magic: Thinking of moving DB and cache to a usb spinning drive.
[11:04] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: dou you have the db on the sd card?
[11:04] Kayaker Magic: Yeah, it was all I had at first.
[11:04] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: right
[11:05] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I have the db on a database server not running on a PI
[11:06] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I am testing a patch LL made to keep the avatar in a cloud state a bit longer till it was fully loaded
[11:06] Ubit Umarov: ive clouds off :)
[11:06] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: for some of you it works ok, 3 of you are not declouded
[11:07] Royale.Mobian @grid.mobiusgrid.us:8002: oh?
[11:07] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Leighton, Royale, Selby and Kajaker
[11:07] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: are in a cloud
[11:08] Ubit Umarov: well i do see those fine
[11:08] Bill.Blight @hg.osgrid.org: I see no clouds except in he sky
[11:08] Kayaker Magic: I see everyone fine., but did a rebake
[11:08] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: yes, but you don't have that patch that is 4 hours old ;-)
[11:08] Bill.Blight @hg.osgrid.org: LOL
[11:08] Ubit Umarov: sure with clouds off i need to look for missing parts :)
[11:08] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Royale cleared up
[11:08] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Kayaker too
[11:09] Leighton.Marjoram @grid.outandproud.life:8002: I see everyone ok I was missing a few things when I arrive but fixed with a rebake
[11:09] Ubit Umarov: selby still loves lauren
[11:09] Sheera Khan: I can see him just fine
[11:09] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: I rebaked
[11:10] Sheera Khan: even including his textures
[11:10] Ubit Umarov: but well HG, always well.. HG
[11:10] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: exactly
[11:10] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: probably not going to take that patch
[11:11] Ubit Umarov: its spec should had been a lot less ambitious
[11:11] Ubit Umarov: somethings just can't be done
[11:11] Ubit Umarov: or are unpractical
[11:11] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: right
[11:12] Sheera Khan sprinkles a bit of fairy dust over Selby to make him appear to Ubit ;-)
[11:12] Ubit Umarov: ahh remember me to kick metro in yr im sheera.Khan
[11:12] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: is Selby fogged for all of you?
[11:12] Ubit Umarov: sleby is fine for me
[11:12] Kayaker Magic: Ooooh! Where can I get some of that fairy dust?
[11:13] Kayaker Magic: No, Selby has been fine all along.
[11:13] Ubit Umarov: everyone looks fine
[11:13] Bill.Blight @hg.osgrid.org: I see all fine
[11:13] Ubit Umarov: well selby just rebaked :)
[11:14] Ubit Umarov: and again ?
[11:14] Ubit Umarov: lol
[11:14] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: Did another rebake
[11:14] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: leighton came out of the fog
[11:14] Ubit Umarov: mb just "lag" for you
[11:15] Leighton.Marjoram @grid.outandproud.life:8002: phew
[11:16] Ubit Umarov: hmm andrew's cat seems afk
[11:17] Ubit Umarov: well you may had seen that FS did released a new version
[11:17] Ubit Umarov: SL only
[11:18] Ubit Umarov: no AS IS thing...
[11:19] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I don't even have any wearables to test it on in SL
[11:19] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: and most certainly not going to buy some
[11:20] Ubit Umarov: buy a S something body :p
[11:20] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I have not purachsed any wearables in SL since 2011
[11:21] Ubit Umarov: well having 2 diferent releases, is nothing new.. it is a must, just so far they where able to do it at same time
[11:22] Ubit Umarov: they had to release a BoM version fast, many SL creators did release BoM products as soon LL released their viewer
[11:23] Ubit Umarov: and since they have no opensim dev.. well you know the movie..
[11:24] Ubit Umarov: guess all viewers should have 2 versions also
[11:25] Ubit Umarov: at least so they use Havok mesh tools at SL
[11:25] Ubit Umarov: ( and payed kdu )
[11:25] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: only FS has access to Havok tools in SL
[11:26] Ubit Umarov: think FS payed for KDU lic so they can use it on opensim also
[11:26] Royale.Mobian @grid.mobiusgrid.us:8002: Alchemy disables access to havok tools if the platform is not SL
[11:26] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: possibly
[11:26] Ubit Umarov: oh? tpvs can't use havok for SL ?
[11:26] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: only FS for some reason
[11:27] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: but they are more or less a dept of LL these days
[11:28] Ubit Umarov: well thats the "update" i have on the FS issue
[11:28] Ubit Umarov: opensim version is 6.0.2
[11:29] Kayaker Magic: Is 6.0.2 safe to use?
[11:29] Ubit Umarov: as one can tell about any viewer :)
[11:29] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I have an updated version of Dayturn out.
[11:30] Ubit Umarov: nice
[11:30] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: there was a bit of a mess for a day or two as too much cacheing all around made it look like it fetched data as it should
[11:30] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: reverted some http code, and it is now OK
[11:35] Leighton.Marjoram @grid.outandproud.life:8002: is Firestorm 6.0.2 the last version for Opensim
[11:35] Ubit Umarov: yes
[11:36] Leighton.Marjoram @grid.outandproud.life:8002: I mean the last release we will get
[11:36] Ubit Umarov: not according to them
[11:37] Ubit Umarov: they do plan to support opensim
[11:37] Leighton.Marjoram @grid.outandproud.life:8002: The way I read it was it was going to be difficult without an Opensim viewer developer.
[11:37] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: subject to developer availability?
[11:37] Ubit Umarov: keep reaffirm that on all statements
[11:38] Ubit Umarov: well having a dev is a requirement
[11:38] Ubit Umarov: at least one able to look to other viewers and get patchs
[11:40] Ubit Umarov: for example that Liru one for llupd estate new tabs
[11:40] Ubit Umarov: you seen it ?
[11:40] Leighton.Marjoram @grid.outandproud.life:8002: No
[11:40] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: no
[11:41] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: last time I tried it just got completely stuck
[11:41] Ubit Umarov: well she did bridge old lludp with the new code for those tabs
[11:41] Ubit Umarov: master should do the new cap...
[11:42] Ubit Umarov: as far we can tell with Bills openstorm, it is doing it
[11:42] Ubit Umarov: ( warning again, OpenStorm is only for regions on master version also )
[11:44] Ubit Umarov: about new code.. wel lthink i done nothing since last week :(
[11:45] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: even you need a break ;-)
[11:47] Ubit Umarov: so you ppl?
[11:47] Ubit Umarov: any issue?
[11:48] Ubit Umarov: hmm looking to selby...
[11:48] Ubit Umarov: for some reason seems LMs made at kitely don't work here
[11:49] Ubit Umarov: sounds like they are blocking landmarks assets from getting out
[11:49] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: that makes sense
[11:49] Ubit Umarov: had planed to go to their meetings to chat with ilan, but missed it
[11:49] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: tbh I have more or less given up on Kitely
[11:49] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: Will test -- have some
[11:49] Ubit Umarov: possible only new ones
[11:50] Ubit Umarov: dunno
[11:50] Bill.Blight @hg.osgrid.org: they seem to work with kitely accounts
[11:50] Bill.Blight @hg.osgrid.org: just HG travellers they don't work
[11:50] Ubit Umarov: yes seems they work with local accounts :)
[11:50] Ubit Umarov: there went selby
[11:51] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: he declouded
[11:51] Ubit Umarov: no he did tp out LOL
[11:51] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: :-)
[11:51] Ubit Umarov: but dec on standing?
[11:56] Ubit Umarov: about other viwers.. dayturn, we have gavin here
[11:56] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: worked for me
[11:56] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: ok
[11:56] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: yes, what about it
[11:56] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: from here
[11:56] Ubit Umarov: alchemy, cinder was looking to our mail lists and did reacted.. telling there mb a new release...
[11:57] Ubit Umarov: singu.. liru seems active, no idea about releases..
[11:57] Ubit Umarov: other.. i don't know
[11:57] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I have not tested Cool VL for a while
[11:57] Ubit Umarov: see a few claiming BoM .. carefull with those
[11:59] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: so if I take the new FS for SL and log in with it, the region will crash?
[12:00] Sheera.Khan @hypergrid.org:8002: does it even have a grid selector?
[12:00] Ubit Umarov: not this one :p
[12:00] Ubit Umarov: better not mess with their release
[12:00] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: it should be able to go to an address if started from the command line
[12:01] Ubit Umarov: test with openstorm
[12:01] Sheera.Khan @hypergrid.org:8002: wasn't that command line option pulled years ago?
[12:01] Ubit Umarov: yeah but we have no idea of the all the defines they used on that SL only build
[12:01] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: no, it should be there
[12:01] Ubit Umarov: so better not mess with that
[12:02] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: maybe not for the release build, but if you had a debug build
[12:02] Bill Blight: my test version is only 3 commits or so behind their release, and they are commits that should not affect opensim
[12:03] Ubit Umarov: well they made a compile for me
[12:03] Ubit Umarov: but forgot to create a account for me to get into that machine to download it :p
[12:04] Ubit Umarov: a build i mean
[12:05] Ubit Umarov: but at this point even i can compile it .. just no audio bc im lazy to get the lib
[12:06] Bill Blight: https://downloads.openstormviewer.org/
[12:07] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: where is the macOS build? ;-)
[12:07] Ubit Umarov: (warning 2.. that may also have crazy Bill's testing changes :p )
[12:08] Bill Blight: no, not too crazy
[12:08] Ubit Umarov: 64km size prims.. duhhh
[12:08] Bill Blight: but does have build constraints disabled
[12:09] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: not good Ubit
[12:09] Bill Blight: NO only 1024
[12:09] Bill Blight: not 64k
[12:09] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: did you change it back?
[12:09] Bill Blight: "This project is curently only for testing and deveopment purposes , and not intended for public/general distribution!

Support: NONE
Crashes: Most LIkely
Weirdness: Definitely
Alien Invasion: Could Happen!
Crash System: See above
Require Exorcism: Run Away!


In all seriousness, this is not ready for primetime.

This is a fork of the Firestorm Development code, and not really inteded to be released.

Serious Testers only."
[12:09] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: it was 64k at some point
[12:09] Bill Blight: yeah it was
[12:09] Bill Blight: I changed it back
[12:09] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: good
[12:09] Ubit Umarov: :)
[12:11] Bill Blight: I did change the max build height from 4096 to 8192 .. Better better out of sight build platforms
[12:12] Ubit Umarov: remember the precision issues
[12:12] Ubit Umarov: also on vars X and Y
[12:12] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: exactly
[12:12] Ubit Umarov: and thankx
[12:12] Bill Blight: yeah, so far in testing nothing major, anything over 8192 was hella unpredictable
[12:12] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: if you need a build platform, spawn a new region
[12:13] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: it is not like you have to pay $300 per month....
[12:13] Ubit Umarov: yeap sandbox are a SL tiny parcels thing
[12:13] Ubit Umarov: well can be usefull for intermediate tps etc..
[12:14] Ubit Umarov: arrival locations
[12:14] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: wear a parachute or hanglider, tp to a height and fly back down
[12:14] Bill Blight: yep
[12:14] Ubit Umarov: but 2km guess its enough
[12:15] Ubit Umarov: the way math is done, some things may survive..
[12:15] Ubit Umarov: but was never a consideration on opensim, at least
[12:16] Ubit Umarov: AND we WILL NOT CHANGE TO DOUBLE :p
[12:16] Bill Blight: Nothing to say but to test it, if it works, no reason to not leave it at that .. but as I said , when I got much above 8192 it got weird in a hurry
[12:16] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: even the IBM 1401 had double
[12:16] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I have seen it run FORTRAN
[12:17] Ubit Umarov: we are not a science simulator
[12:17] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: the IBM 1401 was a business mainframe from 1959
[12:17] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: with 16k word memory
[12:18] Ubit Umarov: :)
[12:18] Ubit Umarov: but float are the thing to use
[12:18] Ubit Umarov: or single
[12:18] Ubit Umarov: SIMD now does have double also.. but yeackkk
[12:19] Ubit Umarov: no idea about gpus do they have double?
[12:20] Ubit Umarov: anyways most libs dont even support double, or do it in a limited way
[12:20] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFQ3sajIdaM