[Opensim-users] that ol' phantoms on megaregions issue

Thu Feb 19 05:07:38 UTC 2015

No, a varregion is a single region of variable size. A megaregion is a
single region that tries to mimic several traditionally sized regions.
Varregions require varregion-capable viewers where megaregions should work
with any viewer.

On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 9:01 PM, Ian Sheldrick <ishel at cygnus.uwa.edu.au>
wrote:

> I just started working with varregions and was a bit surprised about the
> CombineContiguousRegions=false setting.  I know it works, but I don't quite
> understand the logic because surely in a varregion what you have is
> precisely a "combination of contiguous regions".
>
>
> On 19 February 2015 at 10:48, CiderJack <opensim.users at katijackstudio.com>
> wrote:
>
>> As a matter of fact, after reading that megaregions have basically been
>> deprecated I did change to varregion. However I didn't try it with an
>> existing megaregion, I started completely fresh. It works just fine now,
>> though so far it only seems to work in my local vanilla OpenSim install.
>>
>> Now I'm running into issues when uploading to Kitely. I've opened a
>> thread on Kitely forums if anyone is curious:
>> http://www.kitely.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=2520
>>
>> One further related question however:
>> I am assuming that 'CombineContiguousRegions' needs to be set to 'false'
>> or disabled when using varregion. Is this the case? When testing this,
>> setting to 'true' seems to cause problems for building outside the root
>> 256^2. Just asking for clarity, at this point I don't know what to expect
>> anymore! :)
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> ~!CJ
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2015-02-19 14:33, Justin Clark-Casey wrote:
>>
>>> Have you tried switching to a varregion?  I want to say that you can
>>> do this with an existing megaregion config and it will work (don't
>>> quote me).  I do suggest doing this if at all possible.
>>>
>>> I know there are load oar parameters [1] specifically for loading
>>> 256x256 regions into a larger varregion.  I don't know how well they
>>> would work for megaregions.
>>>
>>> If you're doing something with Kitely then you would have to ask them
>>> directly as I hear they have proprietary megaregion code.
>>>
>>> [1] http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Load_Oar
>>>
>>> On 16/02/15 23:06, opensim.users at katijackstudio.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks for the help, Chris.
>>>>
>>>> I tried rezzing & editing on the regions with ephemeral objects, and
>>>> rezzed objects behave as expected, that is, as normal.
>>>>
>>>> I have tried saving & reloading the megaregion oar in question, with no
>>>> success. What I mean is, the whole megaregion
>>>> saved/loaded as a single oar, but it didn't fix the problem. Also tried
>>>> it with 'fix-phantom' & backup both before and
>>>> after, and even rebooted the server which didn't do the trick either.
>>>>
>>>> This would suggest (as you noted) that 256^2 regions cannot be loaded
>>>> individually into a megaregion and still function,
>>>> although I think in some of my reading about this issue I had seen
>>>> where people were doing just that and having it work
>>>> for them (I could be mistaken about this).
>>>>
>>>> Can individual regions be saved from a megaregion as individual oar
>>>> files? Guess I need to test that, because at this
>>>> point the only solution I can think is to completely rebuild those
>>>> three non-root-sims. :|
>>>>
>>>> ~!CJ
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2015-02-16 19:55, Chris wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm unsure of how an OAR would react if it was saved from originally a
>>>>> 256x256 region and then loaded to a megaregion but can you rez
>>>>> anything from inventory and it be edit-able ? You could also try
>>>>> saving an OAR of the mega region with the stuff on it, then reload
>>>>> from that OAR, it may or may not help. Beyond that I am unsure :)
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/16/2015 12:43 AM, opensim.users at katijackstudio.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> ...and to answer the second part of your question, after disabling
>>>>>> megaregions, the ephemeral objects are once again
>>>>>> corporeal -- that is, the data loads in the build window, and they
>>>>>> are no longer phantom...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2015-02-16 19:24, opensim.users at katijackstudio.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Actually yes, I did enable megaregions with everything in place BUT
>>>>>>> after enabling, I then re-loaded each 256^2 region from individual
>>>>>>> oar
>>>>>>> files, used 'fix-phantoms' and 'backup' in the console, and then
>>>>>>> saved
>>>>>>> the whole megaregion oar. At this point the objects on the
>>>>>>> non-root-sim are phantom/ephemeral.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I then loaded other misc. oar files into all four regions of the
>>>>>>> megaregion, and then loaded the megaregion oar again just to make
>>>>>>> sure
>>>>>>> the oar file worked. Everything 'looks' like it's there, but only the
>>>>>>> objects on the root sim really are there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Since the phantom/ephemeral issue is persisting at this point, I then
>>>>>>> do another 'fix-phantoms' and 'backup', waited a few minutes then
>>>>>>> rebooted the server. No change, problem persists.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ~!CJ
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2015-02-16 18:55, Chris wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Did you enable megaregions while you had content on it? As far as I
>>>>>>>> know this has a tendency to break your content if you enable it with
>>>>>>>> stuff rezzed out on your regions. What happens if you disable
>>>>>>>> megaregions?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2/15/2015 11:39 PM, opensim.users at katijackstudio.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Been having a problem with objects not on my root sim pretty much
>>>>>>>>> no longer existing. Sometimes they look like
>>>>>>>>> they're there, but when selected there is no data in the build
>>>>>>>>> window, and the avatar can pass right through them
>>>>>>>>> like they're phantom. When loading the oar to Kitely, the objects
>>>>>>>>> don't even appear to be there, they're just gone.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I should start by saying that I've been reading through the Kitely
>>>>>>>>> forum, reading through the OS wiki page for
>>>>>>>>> megaregions, followed references to countless blog entries & other
>>>>>>>>> forums, and they're all saying the same thing
>>>>>>>>> -- use 'fix-phantoms', and then typing 'backup'.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I can save & load megaregions locally & the non-root-sim objects
>>>>>>>>> will load up (visually) but in substance there is
>>>>>>>>> nothing there. But again, when I load one of these 'working'
>>>>>>>>> megaregions to Kitely, the objects don't even load
>>>>>>>>> visually.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> All I can find is telling me to use 'fix-phantoms' and 'backup'
>>>>>>>>> and that should solve the problem. Unfortunately I
>>>>>>>>> am not finding this to be the case. Is there something I'm doing
>>>>>>>>> wrong?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm using OS 0.8.0.3.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ~!CiderJack
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