[Opensim-users] that ol' phantoms on megaregions issue

Thu Feb 19 05:01:24 UTC 2015

I just started working with varregions and was a bit surprised about the
CombineContiguousRegions=false setting.  I know it works, but I don't quite
understand the logic because surely in a varregion what you have is
precisely a "combination of contiguous regions".

On 19 February 2015 at 10:48, CiderJack <opensim.users at katijackstudio.com>
wrote:

> As a matter of fact, after reading that megaregions have basically been
> deprecated I did change to varregion. However I didn't try it with an
> existing megaregion, I started completely fresh. It works just fine now,
> though so far it only seems to work in my local vanilla OpenSim install.
>
> Now I'm running into issues when uploading to Kitely. I've opened a thread
> on Kitely forums if anyone is curious:
> http://www.kitely.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=2520
>
> One further related question however:
> I am assuming that 'CombineContiguousRegions' needs to be set to 'false'
> or disabled when using varregion. Is this the case? When testing this,
> setting to 'true' seems to cause problems for building outside the root
> 256^2. Just asking for clarity, at this point I don't know what to expect
> anymore! :)
>
> Thanks,
>
> ~!CJ
>
>
>
> On 2015-02-19 14:33, Justin Clark-Casey wrote:
>
>> Have you tried switching to a varregion?  I want to say that you can
>> do this with an existing megaregion config and it will work (don't
>> quote me).  I do suggest doing this if at all possible.
>>
>> I know there are load oar parameters [1] specifically for loading
>> 256x256 regions into a larger varregion.  I don't know how well they
>> would work for megaregions.
>>
>> If you're doing something with Kitely then you would have to ask them
>> directly as I hear they have proprietary megaregion code.
>>
>> [1] http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Load_Oar
>>
>> On 16/02/15 23:06, opensim.users at katijackstudio.com wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the help, Chris.
>>>
>>> I tried rezzing & editing on the regions with ephemeral objects, and
>>> rezzed objects behave as expected, that is, as normal.
>>>
>>> I have tried saving & reloading the megaregion oar in question, with no
>>> success. What I mean is, the whole megaregion
>>> saved/loaded as a single oar, but it didn't fix the problem. Also tried
>>> it with 'fix-phantom' & backup both before and
>>> after, and even rebooted the server which didn't do the trick either.
>>>
>>> This would suggest (as you noted) that 256^2 regions cannot be loaded
>>> individually into a megaregion and still function,
>>> although I think in some of my reading about this issue I had seen where
>>> people were doing just that and having it work
>>> for them (I could be mistaken about this).
>>>
>>> Can individual regions be saved from a megaregion as individual oar
>>> files? Guess I need to test that, because at this
>>> point the only solution I can think is to completely rebuild those three
>>> non-root-sims. :|
>>>
>>> ~!CJ
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2015-02-16 19:55, Chris wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm unsure of how an OAR would react if it was saved from originally a
>>>> 256x256 region and then loaded to a megaregion but can you rez
>>>> anything from inventory and it be edit-able ? You could also try
>>>> saving an OAR of the mega region with the stuff on it, then reload
>>>> from that OAR, it may or may not help. Beyond that I am unsure :)
>>>>
>>>> On 2/16/2015 12:43 AM, opensim.users at katijackstudio.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ...and to answer the second part of your question, after disabling
>>>>> megaregions, the ephemeral objects are once again
>>>>> corporeal -- that is, the data loads in the build window, and they are
>>>>> no longer phantom...
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2015-02-16 19:24, opensim.users at katijackstudio.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Actually yes, I did enable megaregions with everything in place BUT
>>>>>> after enabling, I then re-loaded each 256^2 region from individual oar
>>>>>> files, used 'fix-phantoms' and 'backup' in the console, and then saved
>>>>>> the whole megaregion oar. At this point the objects on the
>>>>>> non-root-sim are phantom/ephemeral.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I then loaded other misc. oar files into all four regions of the
>>>>>> megaregion, and then loaded the megaregion oar again just to make sure
>>>>>> the oar file worked. Everything 'looks' like it's there, but only the
>>>>>> objects on the root sim really are there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Since the phantom/ephemeral issue is persisting at this point, I then
>>>>>> do another 'fix-phantoms' and 'backup', waited a few minutes then
>>>>>> rebooted the server. No change, problem persists.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ~!CJ
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2015-02-16 18:55, Chris wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Did you enable megaregions while you had content on it? As far as I
>>>>>>> know this has a tendency to break your content if you enable it with
>>>>>>> stuff rezzed out on your regions. What happens if you disable
>>>>>>> megaregions?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2/15/2015 11:39 PM, opensim.users at katijackstudio.com wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Been having a problem with objects not on my root sim pretty much
>>>>>>>> no longer existing. Sometimes they look like
>>>>>>>> they're there, but when selected there is no data in the build
>>>>>>>> window, and the avatar can pass right through them
>>>>>>>> like they're phantom. When loading the oar to Kitely, the objects
>>>>>>>> don't even appear to be there, they're just gone.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I should start by saying that I've been reading through the Kitely
>>>>>>>> forum, reading through the OS wiki page for
>>>>>>>> megaregions, followed references to countless blog entries & other
>>>>>>>> forums, and they're all saying the same thing
>>>>>>>> -- use 'fix-phantoms', and then typing 'backup'.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I can save & load megaregions locally & the non-root-sim objects
>>>>>>>> will load up (visually) but in substance there is
>>>>>>>> nothing there. But again, when I load one of these 'working'
>>>>>>>> megaregions to Kitely, the objects don't even load
>>>>>>>> visually.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All I can find is telling me to use 'fix-phantoms' and 'backup' and
>>>>>>>> that should solve the problem. Unfortunately I
>>>>>>>> am not finding this to be the case. Is there something I'm doing
>>>>>>>> wrong?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm using OS 0.8.0.3.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ~!CiderJack
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