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strategy?  In particular, what happens if someone changes an SQLite
or MySQL schema from one revision to the next? I tried METHOD 2
last night when going from r7320 to r7605, and it failed. Not sure why
yet...I ended up just creating new regions from scratch.

If someone can suggest a more efficient approach, that would
be great. Once it is down, we can put it in the wiki. It could go
under:

http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Configuration

Actually, just a couple of days ago I started a rough wiki page for this.

http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Upgrading

It has the standalone info but not really the grid stuff.  Also, your bulle=
t point format is much clearer.

METHOD 1: If Using SQLite in StandAlone Mode

1. Build the latest version from source (or download the binaries)
2. Put this new installation in a new folder
3. Copy the following files from the old \bin to the new \bin
   3a. All *.db files
   3b. The opensim.ini file
   3c. The \bin\regions XML files
4. Launch the new opensim.exe

METHOD 2: If Using MySQL in StandAlone Mode

1. Build the latest version from source (or download the binaries)
2. Put this new installation in a new folder
3. Copy the following files from the old \bin to the new \bin
   3a. The opensim.ini file
   3b. The \bin\regions XML files
4. Launch the new opensim.exe

METHOD 3: If Using MySQL in Grid Mode

1. Build the latest version from source (or download the binaries)
2. Put this new installation in a new folder
3. Copy the following files from the old \bin to the new \bin
   3a. The opensim.ini file
   3b. The \bin\regions XML files
   3c. The 5 XML config files
4. Launch services in the following order: UGAIM + R where
   "R" designates the region server (OpenSim)

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Well, go take a look<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The code calling both is or should be close to identical &#8=
211; and
the speed difference is there and very noticeable, so if there’s any =
tricks you
know of to make SQLite run faster, by all means feel free to make a patch &=
#8211;
there’s a lot of people who’d appreciate it.<o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Adam<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-f=
amily:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-siz=
e:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> opensim-users-bounces at lists.berlios.de
[mailto:opensim-users-bounces at lists.berlios.de] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Generic
Email<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, 5 December 2008 10:58 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> opensim-users at lists.berlios.de<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Opensim-users] opensim migration strategy<o:p></o:p></=
span></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>I am so glad you brought these up.<o:p></o:p></p>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>I believe these are also misconceptions...<o:p></=
o:p></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>In many circumstances, primarily where
transactions are involved, SQLite beats the pants off mySQL <a
href=3D"http://www.sqlite.org/speed.html">http://www.sqlite.org/speed.html<=
/a><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>

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Granted they are old tests, and I am sure we have all =
gotten
better since then, but remember, it almost isn't a fair comparison. SQLite =
has
hundreds of fewer features and an order of magnitude less complex=
ity
when compared with MySQL. All it does is quickly store and retrieve data.<o=
:p></o:p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

Did you know that SQLite db writes are journaled, and =
and
failure will result in the transactions being rolled back to a known good
state? It is being used on literally millions of cellphones every day, with
zero maintenance. If it was easy to corrupt, then I believe the major
hardware manufacturers would be steering clear of it, but instead
they are moving forward and paying for its maintenance.<o:p></o:p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>I really enjoyed listening to <a
href=3D"http://twit.tv/floss26">http://twit.tv/floss26</a><o:p></o:p></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks again.<o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>

<div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>On Dec 5, 2008, at 1:36 PM, Frisby, Adam wrote:<o:p></=
o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>

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<div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The problem with SQLite is that it’s very very slow by
comparison.</span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>There’s a real noticeable difference between the speed=
 it takes
to perform operations, and that of say MySQL.</span><span style=3D'color:bl=
ack'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>It’s also a little bit easier to corrupt – for i=
nstance you
can’t have two processes accessing the one sqlite DB at once.</span><=
span
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Adam</span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p=
>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-f=
amily:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span
class=3Dapple-converted-space><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> </span></span><span
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:black'><a href=3D"mailto:opensim-users-bounces at lists.berlios.de">open=
sim-users-bounces at lists.berlios.de</a><span
class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span>[<a
href=3D"mailto:opensim-users-bounces at lists.berlios.de">mailto:opensim-users=
-bounces at lists.berlios.de</a>]<span
class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span
class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span></b>Generic Email<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span>Friday, 5 Dece=
mber
2008 8:10 AM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span><a
href=3D"mailto:opensim-users at lists.berlios.de">opensim-users at lists.berlios.=
de</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span>Re:
[Opensim-users] opensim migration strategy</span><span style=3D'color:black=
'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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</div>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></=
p>

</div>

<div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>This is a bit of a soap bo=
x, so if
your are easily offended or annoyed, just pass by, there is nothing to=
 see
here.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

</div>

<div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></=
p>

</div>

</div>

<div>

I see in the OpenSim world=
 the
assertion that SQLite is not production worthy often. Most recently here:<o=
:p></o:p>

</div>

<div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></=
p>

</div>

</div>

<div>

<blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'><a
href=3D"http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Upgrading">http://opensimulator.org/w=
iki/Upgrading</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

</blockquote>

</div>

<div>

<div>

SQLite (default - a
lightweight database that comes bundled with OpenSim and can be used withou=
t
requiring any extra configuration. It is mostly intended to get you up and
running quickly, not for production use.)<o:p></o:p>

</div>

</div>

<div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></=
p>

</div>

</div>

<div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3Dapple-style-span><span style=3D'font-siz=
e:10.0pt;
font-family:"-webkit-sans-serif","serif";color:black'>I prefer to describe
SQLite as: </span></span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span=
></p>

</div>

</div>

<div>

<div>

SQLite is a software
library that implements
a self-contained, serverless, zero-configuration,
transactional SQL database engine. SQLite is the most widely
deployed SQL database engine in the world. The source code for SQLite =
is
in the public domain.<o:p></=
o:p>

</div>

</div>

<div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></=
p>

</div>

</div>

<div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3Dapple-style-span><span style=3D'font-siz=
e:10.0pt;
font-family:"-webkit-sans-serif","serif";color:black'>These companies belie=
ve
SQLite is production worthy/ready: </span></span><span
class=3Dapple-style-span><span style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvet=
ica","sans-serif";
color:black'><a href=3D"http://www.sqlite.org/famous.html">http://www.sqlit=
e.org/famous.html</a></span></span><span
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

</div>

<div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></=
p>

</div>

</div>

<div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>I am a huge fan of SQLite,=
 and for
what it does, I believe it does it very well.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

</div>

<div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></=
p>

</div>

</div>

<div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>Thanks for letting me get =
that
out, and I hope I can influence more of you to take a better look at SQLite=
.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

</div>

<div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></=
p>

</div>

<div>

<div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>On Dec 5, 2008, at 10:58 A=
M,
Justin Clark-Casey wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'><br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>Paul Fishwick wrote:<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>From one version of opensi=
m to the
next, what is the accepted migration<o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>

<div>

strategy?  In particu=
lar,
what happens if someone changes an SQLite<o:p></o:p>

</div>

</blockquote>

<blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>

<div>

or MySQL schema from one r=
evision
to the next? I tried METHOD 2<o:p></o:p>

</div>

</blockquote>

<blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>

<div>

last night when going from=
 r7320
to r7605, and it failed. Not sure why<o:p></o:p>

</div>

</blockquote>

<blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>yet...I ended up just crea=
ting new
regions from scratch.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

</blockquote>

<blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></=
p>

</div>

</blockquote>

<blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>If someone can suggest a m=
ore
efficient approach, that would<o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

</blockquote>

<blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>

<div>

be great. Once it is down,=
 we can
put it in the wiki. It could go<o:p></o:p>

</div>

</blockquote>

<blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>under:<o:p></o:p></span></=
p>

</div>

</blockquote>

<blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></=
p>

</div>

</blockquote>

<blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'><a
href=3D"http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Configuration">http://opensimulator.o=
rg/wiki/Configuration</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

</blockquote>

<div>

Actually, just a couple of days ago I started a rough wiki page for this.<b=
r>
 
<a href=3D"http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Upgrading">http://opensimulator.or=
g/wiki/Upgrading</a> 
 
It has the standalone info but not really the grid stuff.  Also, your
bullet point format is much clearer. 
 
 
 
<o:p></o:p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></=
p>

</div>

<blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></=
p>

</div>

</blockquote>

<blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>METHOD 1: If Using SQLite =
in
StandAlone Mode<o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

</blockquote>

<blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></=
p>

</div>

</blockquote>

<blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>

<div>

1. Build the latest versio=
n from
source (or download the binaries)<o:p></o:p>

</div>

</blockquote>

<blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>

<div>

2. Put this new installati=
on in a
new folder<o:p></o:p>

</div>

</blockquote>

<blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>

<div>

3. Copy the following file=
s from
the old \bin to the new \bin<o:p></o:p>

</div>

</blockquote>

<blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>   3a. All =
*.db
files<o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

</blockquote>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>   3b. The
opensim.ini file<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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3c. The
\bin\regions XML files<o:p></o:p>

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4. Launch the new opensim.=
exe<o:p></o:p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></=
p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>METHOD 2: If Using MySQL i=
n
StandAlone Mode<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></=
p>

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1. Build the latest versio=
n from
source (or download the binaries)<o:p></o:p>

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2. Put this new installati=
on in a
new folder<o:p></o:p>

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3. Copy the following file=
s from
the old \bin to the new \bin<o:p></o:p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>   3a. The
opensim.ini file<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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3b. The
\bin\regions XML files<o:p></o:p>

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4. Launch the new opensim.=
exe<o:p></o:p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></=
p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>METHOD 3: If Using MySQL i=
n Grid
Mode<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></=
p>

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</blockquote>

<blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>

<div>

1. Build the latest versio=
n from
source (or download the binaries)<o:p></o:p>

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</blockquote>

<blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>

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2. Put this new installati=
on in a
new folder<o:p></o:p>

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</blockquote>

<blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>

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3. Copy the following file=
s from
the old \bin to the new \bin<o:p></o:p>

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</blockquote>

<blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>   3a. The
opensim.ini file<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>

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3b. The
\bin\regions XML files<o:p></o:p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>   3c. The =
5 XML
config files<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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4. Launch services in the
following order: UGAIM + R where<o:p></o:p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>   "R&=
quot;
designates the region server (OpenSim)<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></=
p>

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