[Opensim-users] trouble with new osgrid region

Sun Oct 6 07:27:33 UTC 2013

I do notice that frame rate is a lot less variable run on a "real server",
in this case a Mac Pro in my home office.  But the VPS was tempting for its
much higher network speed compared to my home 30 Mbps down and 10 Mbps up.

I am curious what server sizes and set ups people generally find good
enough for say up to 40 avatars on a region and up to 40K prims.    The Mac
Pro is overkill in memory and compute power but I wonder about bandwidth
needed.

- s

On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 5:46 PM, Serendipity Seraph
<seren.seraph at gmail.com>wrote:

> Thanks James but..
>
> I know there are not multiple flavors.  I only mentioned it for
> completeness.
>
> The main problem turned out to be that I had inadvertently forgot to open
> 9000 on my server.  Silly me.  I am amazed it worked at all.  As soon as I
> did that and cleaned up some server mono installation issues, scripts
> worked just fine.
>
> I don't agree that you need "real servers" per se.  Go play on Kitely if
> you don't believe cloud instances will work.   In any case that discussion
> and set of opinions is neither here nor there.   But it really isn't up to
> you as far as I know to say what kind of server is "supported".  If it
> works and works well enough then it works, right?
>
> thanks again.
>
> - seren
>
>
>
> On Oct 4, 2013, at 3:08 PM, James Stallings II wrote:
>
> Hi Serendipity,
>
> Lets take some deep breaths and attempt to make some sense of these things.
>
> Firstly, there's no 'linux' flavor of opensim -- opensim is implemented in
> c# precisely so that the same source code and the same binaries work
> equally well on all supported platforms. Or, at least that is the intention
> ;)
>
> Next:
>
> DNS vs IP addresses. If (and only if) your DNS entries for a given IP
> address are all right and proper, there's no real reason they can't be used
> interchangeably in your config files. That being said, if the DNS entries
> for a given IP address are *not* right and proper, trouble will ensue if
> you attempt using the DNS name instead of a plain IP address.
>
> Now this message:
>
> "PUT
> http://mariaclaude.no-ip.org:9000/agent/544eab0f-01a9-5f8d-e0d9-de89e9ea46dd/ took
> 10000ms, 0ms writing, {"message_type":"AgentPosition","region_handle"
> :"10966528977991424","circuit_code":"0","agent_uuid":
> 21:41:36 - [WEB UTIL]: ServiceOSD request 107
> http://mariaclaude.no-ip.org:9000/agent/544eab0f-01a9-5f8d-e0d9-de89e9ea46dd/ PUT
> FAILED: The request timed out"
>
>
> is not all that strange. It is typical of the formats opensim employs in
> exchanges with the viewer and other regions when 'things are happening".
> What is surprising about it is that you are seeing it. What this message is
> about is the (re)positioning or possibly the arrival of an avatar in the
> region. That avatar is originally logged in from '
> http://mariaclaude.no-ip.org:9000/'. Hypergrid? In any case, that it
> failed (and how it failed) is telling of trouble with your networking. This
> trouble could actually be with the avatar as reflected in the message; it
> might look something like this if the person closed the viewer before their
> jump completed.
>
> Given your level of experience and understanding, I'd say that this was
> one of 1) a transient network issue not of your making or possibly 2) you
> fat-fingered one or more of the numbers in your IP address (it happens to
> the best of us from time to time ;)
>
> If the case be the former, then you will know when it clears up without
> being fixed. If the latter, well, you'll need to make some corrections to
> your configs.
>
> What I recommend is that you go through each of your config files, and
> standardize on IP addresses throughout your configuration. This will
> provide you the opportunity to insure that each is correct, and eliminate
> any possibility of DNS issues being the cause. One reason for configuring
> this way for production is that it eliminates the time required to look up
> the IP address using the DNS system, which can sometimes be substantial
> under load.
>
> Concerning your scripting troubles, I'd suggest that you not even bother
> yourself with that until such time as these other issues are settled,
> because if your region is failing in the general sense, there's no real
> expectation that the particulars should be expected to work either.
>
> LASTLY:
>
> When it comes to opensims, VPS are bad, and are not supported
> configurations. You need real hardware under your opensims. This is
> something you should see to as soon as possible.
>
>
>  Best of luck, and do let us know how it goes :)
>
> Cheers!
> James/Hiro
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Serendipity Seraph <seren.seraph at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> High.  I pulled the latest linux osgrid opensimulator package and cranked
>> it up on a new VPS.  Something appears to be very off.  I have a static IP
>> on the region and originally did not have a DNS pointing to it.  I don't
>> know if that or something else got it confused but I see a couple of
>> issues.  The region did come up fine on osgrid.
>>
>> First I see strange messages as if something things the region is at some
>> other address.  Like:
>> PUT
>> http://mariaclaude.no-ip.org:9000/agent/544eab0f-01a9-5f8d-e0d9-de89e9ea46dd/took 10000ms, 0ms writing,
>> {"message_type":"AgentPosition","region_handle":"10966528977991424","circuit_code":"0","agent_uuid":
>> 21:41:36 - [WEB UTIL]: ServiceOSD request 107
>> http://mariaclaude.no-ip.org:9000/agent/544eab0f-01a9-5f8d-e0d9-de89e9ea46dd/PUT FAILED: The request timed out
>>
>> I have no ide who or what mariaclaude.no-ip.org may be but it is sure
>> not me.  I did a ping and the address shown is not my IP address at all.
>> I have since set my DNS for one of my domains to point to this and changed
>> it in my Region.ini but to no avail.  Restart leaves it all the same.
>>
>> I also loaded an OAR from a kitely region to my region but that doesn't
>> seem to have anything to do with it.
>>
>> The other and more serious problem is that I get errors every time I try
>> to compile a script and no scripts seem to want to run, at least not ones I
>> build.
>>
>> If I right click and hit compile (both compile LSL and compile Mono give
>> same problem) I get
>> (0,0) Error: [ERROR] FATAL UNHANDLED EXCEPTION: System.TypeLoadException:
>> A type load exception has occurred.
>>
>> HELP!
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> - seren
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