[Opensim-users] Announcement of inventory tool (MyInventory), mostly of interest to grid operators/grid nauts

[Snowcrash Short]

On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 11:52 PM, Melanie <melanie at t-data.com> wrote:

> Hi Chris,
>
> your grid and others like it are not where the concerns are. It is
> very cumbersome to qualify each and every statement to apply only to
> commercial/closed grids or commercial/copyrighted items when all
> readers are aware that that case is the one being discussed.
>
I for one isn't aware of that, I have been talking from a broader view than
simply that of Avination and similar grids.

>
> This tool poses no threat to open grids and CC licensed content.
>
> - Melanie
>
> On 19/11/2012 23:37, Fleep Tuque wrote:
> > I feel compelled to clarify that while some grids have a Terms of Service
> > that forbids transfer of content off grid by anyone but the creator, that
> > is certainly not the case for all grids.  I do not think I am the only
> one,
> > in fact, I'd guess most small, personal use grids do not have a TOS, or,
> > even if they do, most HG connected grids I have visited have a freebie
> area
> > where they explicitly have items for visitors that are clearly intended
> to
> > be taken off grid.
> >
> > So making the statement "Transfer off the grid is not allowed" is simply
> > not true.  Transfer off of SOME grids is not allowed.  Some (my guess is
> > many) grids DO allow it.  I think what is unusual about FleepGrid as a
> use
> > case is not that I allow transfer off grid, but that everything on my
> grid
> > is CC licensed.  My guess is most typical small grids allow some but not
> > all items to be transfered off grid.  But either way, it cannot be said
> > that transfering items off of grids is universally forbidden.  Commercial
> > and closed grids forbid it.  Many personal, open, or HG connected grids
> do
> > not.
> >
> > I think it's important to keep mentioning the different use cases of
> small,
> > personal, independent grids and not just have everyone keep assuming and
> > defaulting to the use cases of the large, commercial, or closed grids.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > - Chris/Fleep
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Melanie <melanie at t-data.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> On 19/11/2012 22:17, Snowcrash Short wrote:
> >> >> If the items belong to the user. Purchased items do not belong tot
> >> >> he user. They belong to the creator and continue to belong to the
> >> >> creator, being licensed only for use on the one grid where they were
> >> >> purchased (licensed). Allowing these items to travel is called
> >> >> "copyright infringement", or, more often, "theft."
> >> >>
> >> > Whether this is theft or not really depends on how you define the term
> >> > "distribution". Unfortunately I have not seen a single consistent
> >> > definition of this term used, neither in the practical world nor in
> the
> >> > legislation governing ip rights, especially in the context of the
> >> internet.
> >> >
> >>
> >> It's not about distribution. That is a whole other kettle of fish.
> >>
> >> > Whether copying an item I have licensed but not created from the
> personal
> >> > inventory of one of my accounts to another is distribution, or merely
> >> > moving from one personal storage location to another is very much at
> an
> >> > open question which I doubt has no clear answer in any country.
> >>
> >> Transfer from one account to another on the same grid is governed by
> >> the "no copy" permission. Transfer off the grid is not allowed. It
> >> really is that simple but I'm really getting the impression that you
> >> don't want to accept that. I understand you'd like reality to be
> >> different and you'd like users to actually own their inventory
> >> outright but that s simply not the case. Some TOS restrict items to
> >> one grid only and don't allow download of items you have not
> >> yourself created. If you download something you acquired from
> >> someone else in one of those grids, it is theft. No matter what the
> >> purpose of the download is.
> >>
> >> - Melanie
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