[Opensim-users] Announcement of inventory tool (MyInventory), mostly of interest to grid operators/grid nauts

Teravus Ovares teravus at gmail.com
Mon Nov 19 23:19:46 UTC 2012


Except that the vast majority of content creators expect content to stay
with the grid that they upload it to..    as it has been..   so changing
this functionality under their nose is like pulling the rug out from under
them.     So..  I still say that it's damaging to content creators on
grids that have not explicitly stated from the beginning that the content
is transferable to other grids..  because the content creator hasn't given
you permission to re-upload the content to a new
entity/grid/server/distribution point.      Again, copyright must be
licensed explicitly.

I'm with Diva,    the feedback is /clearly/ not registering..     so..
it's time for me to cut bait and let whatever happens as a result
of snow's choice-in-a-vacuum happen...  be that banning or legal issues..
or wholesale community joy..  only the results will tell.

Best Regards

Teravus



On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Melanie <melanie at t-data.com> wrote:

> Hi Chris,
>
> your grid and others like it are not where the concerns are. It is
> very cumbersome to qualify each and every statement to apply only to
> commercial/closed grids or commercial/copyrighted items when all
> readers are aware that that case is the one being discussed.
>
> This tool poses no threat to open grids and CC licensed content.
>
> - Melanie
>
> On 19/11/2012 23:37, Fleep Tuque wrote:
> > I feel compelled to clarify that while some grids have a Terms of Service
> > that forbids transfer of content off grid by anyone but the creator, that
> > is certainly not the case for all grids.  I do not think I am the only
> one,
> > in fact, I'd guess most small, personal use grids do not have a TOS, or,
> > even if they do, most HG connected grids I have visited have a freebie
> area
> > where they explicitly have items for visitors that are clearly intended
> to
> > be taken off grid.
> >
> > So making the statement "Transfer off the grid is not allowed" is simply
> > not true.  Transfer off of SOME grids is not allowed.  Some (my guess is
> > many) grids DO allow it.  I think what is unusual about FleepGrid as a
> use
> > case is not that I allow transfer off grid, but that everything on my
> grid
> > is CC licensed.  My guess is most typical small grids allow some but not
> > all items to be transfered off grid.  But either way, it cannot be said
> > that transfering items off of grids is universally forbidden.  Commercial
> > and closed grids forbid it.  Many personal, open, or HG connected grids
> do
> > not.
> >
> > I think it's important to keep mentioning the different use cases of
> small,
> > personal, independent grids and not just have everyone keep assuming and
> > defaulting to the use cases of the large, commercial, or closed grids.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > - Chris/Fleep
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Melanie <melanie at t-data.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> On 19/11/2012 22:17, Snowcrash Short wrote:
> >> >> If the items belong to the user. Purchased items do not belong tot
> >> >> he user. They belong to the creator and continue to belong to the
> >> >> creator, being licensed only for use on the one grid where they were
> >> >> purchased (licensed). Allowing these items to travel is called
> >> >> "copyright infringement", or, more often, "theft."
> >> >>
> >> > Whether this is theft or not really depends on how you define the term
> >> > "distribution". Unfortunately I have not seen a single consistent
> >> > definition of this term used, neither in the practical world nor in
> the
> >> > legislation governing ip rights, especially in the context of the
> >> internet.
> >> >
> >>
> >> It's not about distribution. That is a whole other kettle of fish.
> >>
> >> > Whether copying an item I have licensed but not created from the
> personal
> >> > inventory of one of my accounts to another is distribution, or merely
> >> > moving from one personal storage location to another is very much at
> an
> >> > open question which I doubt has no clear answer in any country.
> >>
> >> Transfer from one account to another on the same grid is governed by
> >> the "no copy" permission. Transfer off the grid is not allowed. It
> >> really is that simple but I'm really getting the impression that you
> >> don't want to accept that. I understand you'd like reality to be
> >> different and you'd like users to actually own their inventory
> >> outright but that s simply not the case. Some TOS restrict items to
> >> one grid only and don't allow download of items you have not
> >> yourself created. If you download something you acquired from
> >> someone else in one of those grids, it is theft. No matter what the
> >> purpose of the download is.
> >>
> >> - Melanie
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