[Opensim-users] Speaking of Content Theft, How About Our Own Backyard?
Karen Palen
karen_palen at yahoo.com
Thu Feb 25 08:22:05 UTC 2010
I suppose once the fuss dies down some I should get a copy and try it out.
The avatar copy facility is (was?) in TestClient, and I think the latest version of the Linden Labs viewer has the avatar radar.
I find the radar to be very useful both to look for avatars/people I know and to explore an area - avatars tend to congregate in the interesting spots.
Apart from outright griefer tools (like sim freeze) I really don't see what else there might be in CryoLife.
Neil brags about being the only one to copy animations which could be useful if they were converted to a BVH file. I understand that the internal database representation is a BVH form and picking at my OpenSim database tends to confirm this. It is not in a form that can be output directly as a text file though.
Second Inventory promises to output BVH animations in their next release (whenever THAT finally happens :-( ), so it is not worth a lot of effort to do my own.
As much as anything I want the BVH files so I can make small changes to the actual animations that I use, things like different actions for the arms while walking or whatever.
Lots to explore still ...
Karen
--- On Thu, 2/25/10, Len Brown <lenwbrown at gmail.com> wrote:
> From: Len Brown <lenwbrown at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Speaking of Content Theft, How About Our Own Backyard?
> To: opensim-users at lists.berlios.de
> Date: Thursday, February 25, 2010, 12:14 AM
> No, CryoGen just lets you right-click
> something and save it locally.
>
> But one other feature it has (and others may, I do not
> know) is an "avatar proximity scanner" that alerts
> me when other avatars are around. I can then "home
> in" on one and it will instantly whip me over next to
> the avatar. Then with a few clicks I can replicate every
> part of the avatar until, merely seconds later, I stand as
> an exact duplicate of the avatar I'm standing next to,
> like an identical twin, including all attachments, prim
> hair, etc. Of course, in my inventory I am shown as the
> creater and owner of the skin, hair, shape, etc of the
> avatar I've duplicated.
>
>
> There are other features integrated into CryoGen that
> I've not even yet messed with and generally don't
> anyway since my goal is not to steal other peoples hard
> work, but to understand how the enemy functions.
>
>
> As they say, the best way to battle the beast is to
> understand the beast.
>
> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 1:07 AM,
> Karen Palen <karen_palen at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hmmm, I have never played with
> CryoGen mostly due to its reputation as merely a hacker
> tool.
>
>
>
>
> Am I missing somehting? Does it actually move an entire
> inventory?
>
>
>
> Karen
>
>
>
> --- On Wed, 2/24/10, Len Brown <lenwbrown at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > From: Len Brown <lenwbrown at gmail.com>
>
> > Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Speaking of Content
> Theft, How About Our Own Backyard?
>
> > To: opensim-users at lists.berlios.de
>
> > Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 11:47 PM
>
> > Ah gee... I need to
> play around with
>
> > Meerkat again some I guess. Since I got my rocks off
> with
>
> > CryoGen I've not spent much time with other
> viewers but
>
> > I do remember messing with some of what you mention
> in
>
> > Meerkat. Maybe I should flirt around with Meerkat
> again.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 11:53 PM,
>
> > Karen Palen <karen_palen at yahoo.com>
>
> > wrote:
>
> >
>
> > I haven't needed to do this in some time, but I
> think
>
> > Meerkat will do a pretty good job of that. Naturally
> it does
>
> > check for permissions and ownership, but everything I
> have
>
> > wanted to move I built myself.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Meerkat won't do nested prims, but it does seem to
> copy
>
> > just about anything you select together with all of
> the
>
> > associated textures. It them replicates them all onto
> a
>
> > blank region in my own sim.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Naturally once it is my own sim it is not hard to
> group
>
> > things in some logical order to save into the
> inventory.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Karen
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > --- On Wed, 2/24/10, Len Brown <lenwbrown at gmail.com>
>
> > wrote:
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > > From: Len Brown <lenwbrown at gmail.com>
>
> >
>
> > > Subject: Re: [Opensim-users]
>
> > Speaking of Content Theft, How About Our Own
> Backyard?
>
> >
>
> > > To: opensim-users at lists.berlios.de
>
> >
>
> > > Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 10:41 PM
>
> >
>
> > > I see what you're
>
> > saying. I think the
>
> >
>
> > > positive side here is that in order to make
> pirating
>
> > the end
>
> >
>
> > > product less palatable is to apply a good dose of
> salt
>
> > and
>
> >
>
> > > vinegar to the meal. But incorporating a system
> of
>
> > checks
>
> >
>
> > > and balances into the core prims in use, it makes
> it
>
> > more
>
> >
>
> > > difficult to strip from that anything even
> remotely
>
> > useful.
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > There is one thing I have employed in-world in
> Second
>
> > Life
>
> >
>
> > > that has worked tremendously well without any
>
> > additional
>
> >
>
> > > resources:
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > When I rezz a large build into the virtual world
> I
>
> > then
>
> >
>
> > > select the object and then unlink everything.
> For a
>
> > large
>
> >
>
> > > build of, say 500 prims, this leaves the object
> fully
>
> >
>
> > > recognizable in-world and usable. But the
> object is
>
> > now
>
> >
>
> > > 500 individual pieces.
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > Through my own experimentation and what I've
>
> > learned
>
> >
>
> > > from others, there does not (yet) exist a hacked
>
> > viewer
>
> >
>
> > > capable of letting the end user select a large
> group
>
> > of
>
> >
>
> > > unlinked prims and replicate them as a whole.
>
> > I'm
>
> >
>
> > > certain that will eventually change, but for now
> it
>
> > serves
>
> >
>
> > > as a 100% fool-proof method for me to prevent
> others
>
> > from
>
> >
>
> > > copying my builds.
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > At some point I guestimate there will be a viewer
> that
>
> > will
>
> >
>
> > > permit someone to teleport into the center of a
> region
>
> > and
>
> >
>
> > > then the entire region, land, all items, textures
> -
>
> > you name
>
> >
>
> > > it - will be ripped out and saved along the lines
> of
>
> > our
>
> >
>
> > > present OAR packaging system.
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > Just my 2 cents.
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 10:55 PM,
>
> >
>
> > > John Mieske <johnmieske at gmail.com>
>
> >
>
> > > wrote:
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > Ok.. I have an idea.. not sure how possible
> this
>
> > is..
>
> >
>
> > > so this is a long shot.... I know in SL you
> can
>
> > create a
>
> >
>
> > > script that gets the persons UUID. That ID in
> turn can
>
> > be
>
> >
>
> > > used in conjunction with your items and in SL it
> is
>
> > what
>
> >
>
> > > safe guards your inventory to a small degree.
> It
>
> > also
>
> >
>
> > > shows who the creator and owner is. Now these
> guys
>
> > who
>
> >
>
> > > upload the content, they get it and attempt to
> upload
>
> > to OSG
>
> >
>
> > > for example. Now what if on the website OSG had a
> way
>
> > to
>
> >
>
> > > create the user with the UUID from SL, IF they
> are
>
> > using a
>
> >
>
> > > name from SL. In turn the UUID would store that
> users
>
> > UUID
>
> >
>
> > > in the "new" database that would be the
> same
>
> > one
>
> >
>
> > > from SL. Now.. for the sake of argument, there
> would
>
> > be a
>
> >
>
> > > check mark you as a newbie can click to show
> your
>
> > using a
>
> >
>
> > > name from SL. Now if that person who did not
> check
>
> > mark
>
> >
>
> > > that cannot upload content already made. (
> accept
>
> > textures
>
> >
>
> > > and sounds which there is NO WAY to safeguard
> against.
>
> > But
>
> >
>
> > > all other content will have been made from a
> grid
>
> > other then
>
> >
>
> > > OSG can show this. If the content from OSG is
> made
>
> > then
>
> >
>
> > > another type of perms is set so that you must
> have a
>
> > UUID
>
> >
>
> > > attached on each file if you want to re-upload
> it..
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > Maybe I am saying it wrong and I know i'm
>
> >
>
> > > exhaustedly tired right now. But can anyone get
> an
>
> > idea of
>
> >
>
> > > what i'm saying here ?
>
> >
>
> > > John
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 11:45 PM,
>
> >
>
> > > Master_Mirage <mirage123 at verizon.net>
>
> >
>
> > > wrote:
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > Sadly like so many schemes that only works until
> some
>
> > crook
>
> >
>
> > > fakes the "do
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > not copy flag" or something similar.
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > Even something which is a "closely
> held" as
>
> > the
>
> >
>
> > > IPod has similar problems. I
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > did a search for Ipod apps on Pirate Bay the
> other
>
> > day.
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > They are always a good check of what works and
> what
>
> >
>
> > > doesn't!
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > I found more than 1000 items, including all kinds
> of
>
> > MP3s,
>
> >
>
> > > software, and
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > "hacks"!
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > Many many very competent people have worked on
>
> > Digital
>
> >
>
> > > Rights Management
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > (DRM), but as far as I know there has never been
> any
>
> >
>
> > > solution worth the
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > trouble and hassle involved!
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > That doesn't stop the snake oil salesman
> from
>
> > claiming
>
> >
>
> > > to have "the
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > ultimate" solution of course.We are seeing
> that
>
> > on
>
> >
>
> > > Second Life right now.
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > Karen
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > I agree to a point. I tend to think in terms if
> asked
>
> >
>
> > > "What have i done as a
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > grid oper. to help stop the spread of stolen
>
> > content?"
>
> >
>
> > > I have nothing to
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > show them sadly and thats scary as hell to me!
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > If as a grid op i can at least show a good faith
>
> > attemp at
>
> >
>
> > > prevention and
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > away to track it quickly to the user that broght
> it
>
> > in. Id
>
> >
>
> > > feel alot better
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > and prob. the users would be alot happyer knowing
> it
>
> > too.
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > Something at this point is better than nothing i
>
> > think.
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > :-)
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > --
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Speaking-of-Content-Theft-How-About-Our-Own-Backyard-tp4622175p4630592.html
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> >
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> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > Sent from the opensim-users
>
> >
>
> > > mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > _______________________________________________
>
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> >
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> > > --
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> >
>
> > > John Mieske / Winword Exonar
>
> >
>
> > > http://johnmieske.org
>
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