[Opensim-users] Speaking of Content Theft, How About Our Own Backyard?

Thu Feb 25 07:14:47 UTC 2010

No, CryoGen just lets you right-click something and save it locally.

But one other feature it has (and others may, I do not know) is an "avatar
proximity scanner" that alerts me when other avatars are around.  I can then
"home in" on one and it will instantly whip me over next to the avatar.
Then with a few clicks I can replicate every part of the avatar until,
merely seconds later, I stand as an exact duplicate of the avatar I'm
standing next to, like an identical twin, including all attachments, prim
hair, etc.  Of course, in my inventory I am shown as the creater and owner
of the skin, hair, shape, etc of the avatar I've duplicated.

There are other features integrated into CryoGen that I've not even yet
messed with and generally don't anyway since my goal is not to steal other
peoples hard work, but to understand how the enemy functions.

As they say, the best way to battle the beast is to understand the beast.

On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 1:07 AM, Karen Palen <karen_palen at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hmmm, I have never played with CryoGen mostly due to its reputation as
> merely a hacker tool.
>
> Am I missing somehting? Does it actually move an entire inventory?
>
> Karen
>
> --- On Wed, 2/24/10, Len Brown <lenwbrown at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > From: Len Brown <lenwbrown at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Speaking of Content Theft, How About Our Own
>  Backyard?
> > To: opensim-users at lists.berlios.de
> > Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 11:47 PM
> > Ah gee...  I need to play around with
> > Meerkat again some I guess.  Since I got my rocks off with
> > CryoGen I've not spent much time with other viewers but
> > I do remember messing with some of what you mention in
> > Meerkat.  Maybe I should flirt around with Meerkat again.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 11:53 PM,
> > Karen Palen <karen_palen at yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > I haven't needed to do this in some time, but I think
> > Meerkat will do a pretty good job of that. Naturally it does
> > check for permissions and ownership, but everything I have
> > wanted to move I built myself.
> >
> >
> >
> > Meerkat won't do nested prims, but it does seem to copy
> > just about anything you select together with all of the
> > associated textures. It them replicates them all onto a
> > blank region in my own sim.
> >
> >
> >
> > Naturally once it is my own sim it is not hard to group
> > things in some logical order to save into the inventory.
> >
> >
> >
> > Karen
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Wed, 2/24/10, Len Brown <lenwbrown at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > From: Len Brown <lenwbrown at gmail.com>
> >
> > > Subject: Re: [Opensim-users]
> > Speaking of Content Theft, How About Our Own  Backyard?
> >
> > > To: opensim-users at lists.berlios.de
> >
> > > Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 10:41 PM
> >
> > > I see what you're
> > saying.  I think the
> >
> > > positive side here is that in order to make pirating
> > the end
> >
> > > product less palatable is to apply a good dose of salt
> > and
> >
> > > vinegar to the meal.  But incorporating a system of
> > checks
> >
> > > and balances into the core prims in use, it makes it
> > more
> >
> > > difficult to strip from that anything even remotely
> > useful.
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > There is one thing I have employed in-world in Second
> > Life
> >
> > > that has worked tremendously well without any
> > additional
> >
> > > resources:
> >
> > >
> >
> > > When I rezz a large build into the virtual world I
> > then
> >
> > > select the object and then unlink everything.  For a
> > large
> >
> > > build of, say 500 prims, this leaves the object fully
> >
> > > recognizable in-world and usable.  But the object is
> > now
> >
> > > 500 individual pieces.
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Through my own experimentation and what I've
> > learned
> >
> > > from others, there does not (yet) exist a hacked
> > viewer
> >
> > > capable of letting the end user select a large group
> > of
> >
> > > unlinked prims and replicate them as a whole.
> > I'm
> >
> > > certain that will eventually change, but for now it
> > serves
> >
> > > as a 100% fool-proof method for me to prevent others
> > from
> >
> > > copying my builds.
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > At some point I guestimate there will be a viewer that
> > will
> >
> > > permit someone to teleport into the center of a region
> > and
> >
> > > then the entire region, land, all items, textures -
> > you name
> >
> > > it - will be ripped out and saved along the lines of
> > our
> >
> > > present OAR packaging system.
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Just my 2 cents.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 10:55 PM,
> >
> > > John Mieske <johnmieske at gmail.com>
> >
> > > wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Ok.. I have an idea..  not sure how possible this
> > is..
> >
> > >  so this is a long shot....  I know in SL you can
> > create a
> >
> > > script that gets the persons UUID. That ID in turn can
> > be
> >
> > > used in conjunction with your items and in SL it is
> > what
> >
> > > safe guards your inventory to a small degree.  It
> > also
> >
> > > shows who the creator and owner is. Now these guys
> > who
> >
> > > upload the content, they get it and attempt to upload
> > to OSG
> >
> > > for example. Now what if on the website OSG had a way
> > to
> >
> > > create the user with the UUID from SL, IF they are
> > using a
> >
> > > name from SL. In turn the UUID would store that users
> > UUID
> >
> > > in the "new" database that would be the same
> > one
> >
> > > from SL. Now..  for the sake of argument, there would
> > be a
> >
> > > check mark you as a newbie can click to show your
> > using a
> >
> > > name from SL.  Now if that person who did not check
> > mark
> >
> > > that cannot upload content already made. ( accept
> > textures
> >
> > > and sounds which there is NO WAY to safeguard against.
> > But
> >
> > > all other content will have been made from a grid
> > other then
> >
> > > OSG can show this. If the content from OSG is made
> > then
> >
> > > another type of perms is set so that you must have a
> > UUID
> >
> > > attached on each file if you want to re-upload it..
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Maybe I am saying it wrong and I know i'm
> >
> > > exhaustedly tired right now.  But can anyone get an
> > idea of
> >
> > > what i'm saying here ?
> >
> > > John
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 11:45 PM,
> >
> > > Master_Mirage <mirage123 at verizon.net>
> >
> > > wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Sadly like so many schemes that only works until some
> > crook
> >
> > > fakes the "do
> >
> > >
> >
> > > not copy flag" or something similar.
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Even something which is a "closely held" as
> > the
> >
> > > IPod has similar problems. I
> >
> > >
> >
> > > did a search for Ipod apps on Pirate Bay the other
> > day.
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > They are always a good check of what works and what
> >
> > > doesn't!
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > I found more than 1000 items, including all kinds of
> > MP3s,
> >
> > > software, and
> >
> > >
> >
> > > "hacks"!
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Many many very competent people have worked on
> > Digital
> >
> > > Rights Management
> >
> > >
> >
> > > (DRM), but as far as I know there has never been any
> >
> > > solution worth the
> >
> > >
> >
> > > trouble and hassle involved!
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > That doesn't stop the snake oil salesman from
> > claiming
> >
> > > to have "the
> >
> > >
> >
> > > ultimate" solution of course.We are seeing that
> > on
> >
> > > Second Life right now.
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Karen
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > >
> >
> > > I agree to a point. I tend to think in terms if asked
> >
> > > "What have i done as a
> >
> > >
> >
> > > grid oper. to help stop the spread of stolen
> > content?"
> >
> > > I have nothing to
> >
> > >
> >
> > > show them sadly and thats scary as hell to me!
> >
> > >
> >
> > > If as a grid op i can at least show a good faith
> > attemp at
> >
> > > prevention and
> >
> > >
> >
> > > away to track it quickly to the user that broght it
> > in. Id
> >
> > > feel alot better
> >
> > >
> >
> > > and prob. the users would be alot happyer knowing it
> > too.
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Something at this point is better than nothing i
> > think.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > :-)
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > --
> >
> > >
> >
> > > View this message in context:
> http://n2.nabble.com/Speaking-of-Content-Theft-How-About-Our-Own-Backyard-tp4622175p4630592.html
> >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
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> >
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> >
> > >
> >
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> >
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> >
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