[Opensim-users] Parcel Archiver?

Sat Nov 21 22:42:39 UTC 2009

Hmm, that is an interesting point Diva, adding options to the current "save
oar" is an excellent idea. It would be pretty cool to add an additional tab
to the Hippo Viewer About Land that gives an owner or estate manager the
ability to "dump an oar" or "load an oar" for the selected parcel. 

-Robert

Diva Canto wrote:
> 
> There are several kinds of filters one could add to the general 
> archiving facility. Parcels... why not. Another one -- more important to 
> me -- is owner id.
> 
> Stefan Andersson wrote:
>> There is of course always the option to implement a region module that
>> can
>> implement some fairly more detailed use case, maybe connecting to stuff
>> like
>> scheduled jobs et c.
>> 
>> /Stefan
>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: opensim-users-bounces at lists.berlios.de [mailto:opensim-users-
>>> bounces at lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of Robert Klein
>>> Sent: den 21 november 2009 15:24
>>> To: opensim-users at lists.berlios.de
>>> Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Parcel Archiver?
>>>
>>>
>>> I see your points and was only suggesting we have some refined way of
>>> backing
>>> up regions instead of either all or nothing. Even a basic program for
>>> backing up data on a computer allows you to backup either the whole
>>> disk,
>>> individual directories, and individual files (tar vs dd for example).
>>> We
>>> have methods for backing up the whole drive and individual files but
>>> not
>>> directories. It just seems unbalanced.
>>>
>>> I have seen some pretty intense builds in SL and OS on relatively small
>>> parcels that would be a huge issue to recreate. The IAR files are great
>>> but
>>> are not a reasonable method for backing up and restoring a 64 x 128
>>> parcel
>>> with several buildings full of content including a museum and
>>> stage/events
>>> area or a nightclub. Experience tells me we are going to need this if
>>> we
>>> continue to support the concept of having parcels.
>>>
>>> -Robert
>>>
>>>
>>> Stefan Andersson-3 wrote:
>>>> One way to go about it could be to make sure the oar is subdivided
>>> into
>>>> parcels when storing it; if so, one would probably backup the whole
>>> oar,
>>>> but
>>>> be able to restore only parts of the oar.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have only used oars for full backup, so I don't know if the parcel
>>> info
>>>> is
>>>> already stored in it?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> /Stefan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: opensim-users-bounces at lists.berlios.de
>>>> [mailto:opensim-users-bounces at lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of Len
>>> Brown
>>>> Sent: den 21 november 2009 09:20
>>>> To: opensim-users at lists.berlios.de
>>>> Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Parcel Archiver?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am tempted to say that individual parcel backups is not a good
>>> idea.  If
>>>> one is building on a parcel, as opposed to a full region, then simply
>>>> maintaining copies of their items in their inventory should be
>>> adequate.
>>>> Parcels come in so many sizes and making a backup would require the
>>> new
>>>> parcel for a restore would have to be identical in dimensions.  So
>>> this
>>>> can
>>>> be very complex if you have a parcel that, for example, lies along a
>>> road
>>>> so
>>>> the side of your parcel is angular.  Or if you have an odd-shaped
>>> parcel
>>>> or
>>>> a combination of parcels that are separated by other parcels you do
>>> not
>>>> own.
>>>>
>>>> Backing up a region is simple enough given the standard dimensions,
>>> even
>>>> when dealing with megaregions, which are really just a combination of
>>>> multiple "regular" regions of standard size.
>>>>
>>>> So I feel that backing up personal parcels should remain the process
>>> of
>>>> maintaining items in your personal inventory and making a backup of
>>> THAT
>>>> rather than the parcel area itself.
>>>>
>>>> - Len W. Brown
>>>>      lenwbrown at gmail.com
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 1:16 AM, Karen Palen <karen_palen at yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Just a thought, but with the economics of OpenSim being totally
>>> different
>>>> from Second Life, I wonder if we will end up with hundreds of tiny
>>> parcels
>>>> in each region?
>>>>
>>>> It seems to me that there are several issues here concerning changes
>>> in
>>>> parcel size/location between backup and restore as well as some
>>>> ownership/covenant/zoning issues.
>>>>
>>>> As I think about the problem I am not sure I (or anyone else) can
>>> fully
>>>> articulate even the nature of those issues since they depend heavily
>>> on
>>>> the
>>>> direction that OpenSim development and implementation takes.
>>>>
>>>> Just the same we do need to consider them as best we can lest we fall
>>> into
>>>> some of the same traps as Second Life (content ownership, banking
>>> debacle,
>>>> and gambling come to mind).
>>>>
>>>> Karen
>>>>
>>>> --- On Fri, 11/20/09, Robert Klein <rtkwebman at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> From: Robert Klein <rtkwebman at gmail.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Parcel Archiver?
>>>>> To: opensim-users at lists.berlios.de
>>>>> Date: Friday, November 20, 2009, 6:09 PM
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey Justin,
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes that is correct, just archive a single parcel on a
>>>>> region. Whatever is
>>>>> in the parcel gets put into the PAR file. Can it be done?
>>>>>
>>>>> -Robert
>>>>>
>>>>> justincc wrote:
>>>>>> Robert Klein wrote:
>>>>>>> We have a OAR for regions and a IAR for inventory
>>>>> but what about a PAR
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> doing parcel area archiving? It would be an easy
>>>>> way to dedicate one
>>>>>>> subdivided parcel area for bringing things in and
>>>>> out of OpenSims that
>>>>>>> either use the mega region or just have a single
>>>>> region that is
>>>>>>> subdivided.
>>>>>>> Also the beauty of this would be in the future if
>>>>> you have renters or
>>>>>>> event
>>>>>>> spaces you can keep backups of just those spaces.
>>>>>> I'm not too sure if I get exactly what you mean.
>>>>> Are you talking about
>>>>>> archiving just the contents of a single parcel on a
>>>>> region?
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> justincc
>>>>>> Justin Clark-Casey
>>>>>> http://justincc.org
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