[Opensim-users] Parcel Archiver?

Sat Nov 21 15:51:55 UTC 2009

There are several kinds of filters one could add to the general 
archiving facility. Parcels... why not. Another one -- more important to 
me -- is owner id.

Stefan Andersson wrote:
> There is of course always the option to implement a region module that can
> implement some fairly more detailed use case, maybe connecting to stuff like
> scheduled jobs et c.
> 
> /Stefan
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: opensim-users-bounces at lists.berlios.de [mailto:opensim-users-
>> bounces at lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of Robert Klein
>> Sent: den 21 november 2009 15:24
>> To: opensim-users at lists.berlios.de
>> Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Parcel Archiver?
>>
>>
>> I see your points and was only suggesting we have some refined way of
>> backing
>> up regions instead of either all or nothing. Even a basic program for
>> backing up data on a computer allows you to backup either the whole
>> disk,
>> individual directories, and individual files (tar vs dd for example).
>> We
>> have methods for backing up the whole drive and individual files but
>> not
>> directories. It just seems unbalanced.
>>
>> I have seen some pretty intense builds in SL and OS on relatively small
>> parcels that would be a huge issue to recreate. The IAR files are great
>> but
>> are not a reasonable method for backing up and restoring a 64 x 128
>> parcel
>> with several buildings full of content including a museum and
>> stage/events
>> area or a nightclub. Experience tells me we are going to need this if
>> we
>> continue to support the concept of having parcels.
>>
>> -Robert
>>
>>
>> Stefan Andersson-3 wrote:
>>> One way to go about it could be to make sure the oar is subdivided
>> into
>>> parcels when storing it; if so, one would probably backup the whole
>> oar,
>>> but
>>> be able to restore only parts of the oar.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have only used oars for full backup, so I don't know if the parcel
>> info
>>> is
>>> already stored in it?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> /Stefan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: opensim-users-bounces at lists.berlios.de
>>> [mailto:opensim-users-bounces at lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of Len
>> Brown
>>> Sent: den 21 november 2009 09:20
>>> To: opensim-users at lists.berlios.de
>>> Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Parcel Archiver?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am tempted to say that individual parcel backups is not a good
>> idea.  If
>>> one is building on a parcel, as opposed to a full region, then simply
>>> maintaining copies of their items in their inventory should be
>> adequate.
>>> Parcels come in so many sizes and making a backup would require the
>> new
>>> parcel for a restore would have to be identical in dimensions.  So
>> this
>>> can
>>> be very complex if you have a parcel that, for example, lies along a
>> road
>>> so
>>> the side of your parcel is angular.  Or if you have an odd-shaped
>> parcel
>>> or
>>> a combination of parcels that are separated by other parcels you do
>> not
>>> own.
>>>
>>> Backing up a region is simple enough given the standard dimensions,
>> even
>>> when dealing with megaregions, which are really just a combination of
>>> multiple "regular" regions of standard size.
>>>
>>> So I feel that backing up personal parcels should remain the process
>> of
>>> maintaining items in your personal inventory and making a backup of
>> THAT
>>> rather than the parcel area itself.
>>>
>>> - Len W. Brown
>>>      lenwbrown at gmail.com
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 1:16 AM, Karen Palen <karen_palen at yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Just a thought, but with the economics of OpenSim being totally
>> different
>>> from Second Life, I wonder if we will end up with hundreds of tiny
>> parcels
>>> in each region?
>>>
>>> It seems to me that there are several issues here concerning changes
>> in
>>> parcel size/location between backup and restore as well as some
>>> ownership/covenant/zoning issues.
>>>
>>> As I think about the problem I am not sure I (or anyone else) can
>> fully
>>> articulate even the nature of those issues since they depend heavily
>> on
>>> the
>>> direction that OpenSim development and implementation takes.
>>>
>>> Just the same we do need to consider them as best we can lest we fall
>> into
>>> some of the same traps as Second Life (content ownership, banking
>> debacle,
>>> and gambling come to mind).
>>>
>>> Karen
>>>
>>> --- On Fri, 11/20/09, Robert Klein <rtkwebman at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> From: Robert Klein <rtkwebman at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Parcel Archiver?
>>>> To: opensim-users at lists.berlios.de
>>>> Date: Friday, November 20, 2009, 6:09 PM
>>>>
>>>> Hey Justin,
>>>>
>>>> Yes that is correct, just archive a single parcel on a
>>>> region. Whatever is
>>>> in the parcel gets put into the PAR file. Can it be done?
>>>>
>>>> -Robert
>>>>
>>>> justincc wrote:
>>>>> Robert Klein wrote:
>>>>>> We have a OAR for regions and a IAR for inventory
>>>> but what about a PAR
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> doing parcel area archiving? It would be an easy
>>>> way to dedicate one
>>>>>> subdivided parcel area for bringing things in and
>>>> out of OpenSims that
>>>>>> either use the mega region or just have a single
>>>> region that is
>>>>>> subdivided.
>>>>>> Also the beauty of this would be in the future if
>>>> you have renters or
>>>>>> event
>>>>>> spaces you can keep backups of just those spaces.
>>>>> I'm not too sure if I get exactly what you mean.
>>>> Are you talking about
>>>>> archiving just the contents of a single parcel on a
>>>> region?
>>>>> --
>>>>> justincc
>>>>> Justin Clark-Casey
>>>>> http://justincc.org
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