[Opensim-users] Parcel Archiver?

Sat Nov 21 15:41:51 UTC 2009

There is of course always the option to implement a region module that can
implement some fairly more detailed use case, maybe connecting to stuff like
scheduled jobs et c.

/Stefan

> -----Original Message-----
> From: opensim-users-bounces at lists.berlios.de [mailto:opensim-users-
> bounces at lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of Robert Klein
> Sent: den 21 november 2009 15:24
> To: opensim-users at lists.berlios.de
> Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Parcel Archiver?
> 
> 
> I see your points and was only suggesting we have some refined way of
> backing
> up regions instead of either all or nothing. Even a basic program for
> backing up data on a computer allows you to backup either the whole
> disk,
> individual directories, and individual files (tar vs dd for example).
> We
> have methods for backing up the whole drive and individual files but
> not
> directories. It just seems unbalanced.
> 
> I have seen some pretty intense builds in SL and OS on relatively small
> parcels that would be a huge issue to recreate. The IAR files are great
> but
> are not a reasonable method for backing up and restoring a 64 x 128
> parcel
> with several buildings full of content including a museum and
> stage/events
> area or a nightclub. Experience tells me we are going to need this if
> we
> continue to support the concept of having parcels.
> 
> -Robert
> 
> 
> Stefan Andersson-3 wrote:
> >
> > One way to go about it could be to make sure the oar is subdivided
> into
> > parcels when storing it; if so, one would probably backup the whole
> oar,
> > but
> > be able to restore only parts of the oar.
> >
> >
> >
> > I have only used oars for full backup, so I don't know if the parcel
> info
> > is
> > already stored in it?
> >
> >
> >
> > /Stefan
> >
> >
> >
> > From: opensim-users-bounces at lists.berlios.de
> > [mailto:opensim-users-bounces at lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of Len
> Brown
> > Sent: den 21 november 2009 09:20
> > To: opensim-users at lists.berlios.de
> > Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Parcel Archiver?
> >
> >
> >
> > I am tempted to say that individual parcel backups is not a good
> idea.  If
> > one is building on a parcel, as opposed to a full region, then simply
> > maintaining copies of their items in their inventory should be
> adequate.
> >
> > Parcels come in so many sizes and making a backup would require the
> new
> > parcel for a restore would have to be identical in dimensions.  So
> this
> > can
> > be very complex if you have a parcel that, for example, lies along a
> road
> > so
> > the side of your parcel is angular.  Or if you have an odd-shaped
> parcel
> > or
> > a combination of parcels that are separated by other parcels you do
> not
> > own.
> >
> > Backing up a region is simple enough given the standard dimensions,
> even
> > when dealing with megaregions, which are really just a combination of
> > multiple "regular" regions of standard size.
> >
> > So I feel that backing up personal parcels should remain the process
> of
> > maintaining items in your personal inventory and making a backup of
> THAT
> > rather than the parcel area itself.
> >
> > - Len W. Brown
> >      lenwbrown at gmail.com
> >
> > On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 1:16 AM, Karen Palen <karen_palen at yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Just a thought, but with the economics of OpenSim being totally
> different
> > from Second Life, I wonder if we will end up with hundreds of tiny
> parcels
> > in each region?
> >
> > It seems to me that there are several issues here concerning changes
> in
> > parcel size/location between backup and restore as well as some
> > ownership/covenant/zoning issues.
> >
> > As I think about the problem I am not sure I (or anyone else) can
> fully
> > articulate even the nature of those issues since they depend heavily
> on
> > the
> > direction that OpenSim development and implementation takes.
> >
> > Just the same we do need to consider them as best we can lest we fall
> into
> > some of the same traps as Second Life (content ownership, banking
> debacle,
> > and gambling come to mind).
> >
> > Karen
> >
> > --- On Fri, 11/20/09, Robert Klein <rtkwebman at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Robert Klein <rtkwebman at gmail.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Parcel Archiver?
> >> To: opensim-users at lists.berlios.de
> >> Date: Friday, November 20, 2009, 6:09 PM
> >>
> >> Hey Justin,
> >>
> >> Yes that is correct, just archive a single parcel on a
> >> region. Whatever is
> >> in the parcel gets put into the PAR file. Can it be done?
> >>
> >> -Robert
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> justincc wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Robert Klein wrote:
> >> >> We have a OAR for regions and a IAR for inventory
> >> but what about a PAR
> >> >> for
> >> >> doing parcel area archiving? It would be an easy
> >> way to dedicate one
> >> >> subdivided parcel area for bringing things in and
> >> out of OpenSims that
> >> >> either use the mega region or just have a single
> >> region that is
> >> >> subdivided.
> >> >> Also the beauty of this would be in the future if
> >> you have renters or
> >> >> event
> >> >> spaces you can keep backups of just those spaces.
> >>
> >> >
> >> > I'm not too sure if I get exactly what you mean.
> >> Are you talking about
> >> > archiving just the contents of a single parcel on a
> >> region?
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > justincc
> >> > Justin Clark-Casey
> >> > http://justincc.org
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