[Opensim-users] Parcel Archiver?

Sat Nov 21 14:23:37 UTC 2009

I see your points and was only suggesting we have some refined way of backing
up regions instead of either all or nothing. Even a basic program for
backing up data on a computer allows you to backup either the whole disk,
individual directories, and individual files (tar vs dd for example). We
have methods for backing up the whole drive and individual files but not
directories. It just seems unbalanced. 

I have seen some pretty intense builds in SL and OS on relatively small
parcels that would be a huge issue to recreate. The IAR files are great but
are not a reasonable method for backing up and restoring a 64 x 128 parcel
with several buildings full of content including a museum and stage/events
area or a nightclub. Experience tells me we are going to need this if we
continue to support the concept of having parcels.

-Robert

Stefan Andersson-3 wrote:
> 
> One way to go about it could be to make sure the oar is subdivided into
> parcels when storing it; if so, one would probably backup the whole oar,
> but
> be able to restore only parts of the oar.
> 
>  
> 
> I have only used oars for full backup, so I don't know if the parcel info
> is
> already stored in it?
> 
>  
> 
> /Stefan
> 
>  
> 
> From: opensim-users-bounces at lists.berlios.de
> [mailto:opensim-users-bounces at lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of Len Brown
> Sent: den 21 november 2009 09:20
> To: opensim-users at lists.berlios.de
> Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Parcel Archiver?
> 
>  
> 
> I am tempted to say that individual parcel backups is not a good idea.  If
> one is building on a parcel, as opposed to a full region, then simply
> maintaining copies of their items in their inventory should be adequate.
> 
> Parcels come in so many sizes and making a backup would require the new
> parcel for a restore would have to be identical in dimensions.  So this
> can
> be very complex if you have a parcel that, for example, lies along a road
> so
> the side of your parcel is angular.  Or if you have an odd-shaped parcel
> or
> a combination of parcels that are separated by other parcels you do not
> own.
> 
> Backing up a region is simple enough given the standard dimensions, even
> when dealing with megaregions, which are really just a combination of
> multiple "regular" regions of standard size.
> 
> So I feel that backing up personal parcels should remain the process of
> maintaining items in your personal inventory and making a backup of THAT
> rather than the parcel area itself.
> 
> - Len W. Brown
>      lenwbrown at gmail.com 
> 
> On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 1:16 AM, Karen Palen <karen_palen at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> 
> Just a thought, but with the economics of OpenSim being totally different
> from Second Life, I wonder if we will end up with hundreds of tiny parcels
> in each region?
> 
> It seems to me that there are several issues here concerning changes in
> parcel size/location between backup and restore as well as some
> ownership/covenant/zoning issues.
> 
> As I think about the problem I am not sure I (or anyone else) can fully
> articulate even the nature of those issues since they depend heavily on
> the
> direction that OpenSim development and implementation takes.
> 
> Just the same we do need to consider them as best we can lest we fall into
> some of the same traps as Second Life (content ownership, banking debacle,
> and gambling come to mind).
> 
> Karen
> 
> --- On Fri, 11/20/09, Robert Klein <rtkwebman at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> From: Robert Klein <rtkwebman at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Parcel Archiver?
>> To: opensim-users at lists.berlios.de
>> Date: Friday, November 20, 2009, 6:09 PM
>>
>> Hey Justin,
>>
>> Yes that is correct, just archive a single parcel on a
>> region. Whatever is
>> in the parcel gets put into the PAR file. Can it be done?
>>
>> -Robert
> 
>>
>>
>> justincc wrote:
>> >
>> > Robert Klein wrote:
>> >> We have a OAR for regions and a IAR for inventory
>> but what about a PAR
>> >> for
>> >> doing parcel area archiving? It would be an easy
>> way to dedicate one
>> >> subdivided parcel area for bringing things in and
>> out of OpenSims that
>> >> either use the mega region or just have a single
>> region that is
>> >> subdivided.
>> >> Also the beauty of this would be in the future if
>> you have renters or
>> >> event
>> >> spaces you can keep backups of just those spaces.
>>
>> >
>> > I'm not too sure if I get exactly what you mean. 
>> Are you talking about
>> > archiving just the contents of a single parcel on a
>> region?
>> >
>> > --
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