[Opensim-users] Parcel Archiver?

Sat Nov 21 23:10:34 UTC 2009

I agree that the filtering approach seems to be a good one.

The "owner id" would need to be fairly complex though - owner of the objects, owner or the parcel, creator rights etc.

Karen

--- On Sat, 11/21/09, diva at metaverseink.com <diva at metaverseink.com> wrote:

> From: diva at metaverseink.com <diva at metaverseink.com>
> Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Parcel Archiver?
> To: opensim-users at lists.berlios.de
> Date: Saturday, November 21, 2009, 8:51 AM
> There are several kinds of filters
> one could add to the general 
> archiving facility. Parcels... why not. Another one -- more
> important to 
> me -- is owner id.
> 
> Stefan Andersson wrote:
> > There is of course always the option to implement a
> region module that can
> > implement some fairly more detailed use case, maybe
> connecting to stuff like
> > scheduled jobs et c.
> > 
> > /Stefan
> > 
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: opensim-users-bounces at lists.berlios.de
> [mailto:opensim-users-
> >> bounces at lists.berlios.de]
> On Behalf Of Robert Klein
> >> Sent: den 21 november 2009 15:24
> >> To: opensim-users at lists.berlios.de
> >> Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Parcel Archiver?
> >>
> >>
> >> I see your points and was only suggesting we have
> some refined way of
> >> backing
> >> up regions instead of either all or nothing. Even
> a basic program for
> >> backing up data on a computer allows you to backup
> either the whole
> >> disk,
> >> individual directories, and individual files (tar
> vs dd for example).
> >> We
> >> have methods for backing up the whole drive and
> individual files but
> >> not
> >> directories. It just seems unbalanced.
> >>
> >> I have seen some pretty intense builds in SL and
> OS on relatively small
> >> parcels that would be a huge issue to recreate.
> The IAR files are great
> >> but
> >> are not a reasonable method for backing up and
> restoring a 64 x 128
> >> parcel
> >> with several buildings full of content including a
> museum and
> >> stage/events
> >> area or a nightclub. Experience tells me we are
> going to need this if
> >> we
> >> continue to support the concept of having
> parcels.
> >>
> >> -Robert
> >>
> >>
> >> Stefan Andersson-3 wrote:
> >>> One way to go about it could be to make sure
> the oar is subdivided
> >> into
> >>> parcels when storing it; if so, one would
> probably backup the whole
> >> oar,
> >>> but
> >>> be able to restore only parts of the oar.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I have only used oars for full backup, so I
> don't know if the parcel
> >> info
> >>> is
> >>> already stored in it?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> /Stefan
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: opensim-users-bounces at lists.berlios.de
> >>> [mailto:opensim-users-bounces at lists.berlios.de]
> On Behalf Of Len
> >> Brown
> >>> Sent: den 21 november 2009 09:20
> >>> To: opensim-users at lists.berlios.de
> >>> Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Parcel Archiver?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I am tempted to say that individual parcel
> backups is not a good
> >> idea.  If
> >>> one is building on a parcel, as opposed to a
> full region, then simply
> >>> maintaining copies of their items in their
> inventory should be
> >> adequate.
> >>> Parcels come in so many sizes and making a
> backup would require the
> >> new
> >>> parcel for a restore would have to be
> identical in dimensions.  So
> >> this
> >>> can
> >>> be very complex if you have a parcel that, for
> example, lies along a
> >> road
> >>> so
> >>> the side of your parcel is angular.  Or
> if you have an odd-shaped
> >> parcel
> >>> or
> >>> a combination of parcels that are separated by
> other parcels you do
> >> not
> >>> own.
> >>>
> >>> Backing up a region is simple enough given the
> standard dimensions,
> >> even
> >>> when dealing with megaregions, which are
> really just a combination of
> >>> multiple "regular" regions of standard size.
> >>>
> >>> So I feel that backing up personal parcels
> should remain the process
> >> of
> >>> maintaining items in your personal inventory
> and making a backup of
> >> THAT
> >>> rather than the parcel area itself.
> >>>
> >>> - Len W. Brown
> >>>      lenwbrown at gmail.com
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 1:16 AM, Karen Palen
> <karen_palen at yahoo.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Just a thought, but with the economics of
> OpenSim being totally
> >> different
> >>> from Second Life, I wonder if we will end up
> with hundreds of tiny
> >> parcels
> >>> in each region?
> >>>
> >>> It seems to me that there are several issues
> here concerning changes
> >> in
> >>> parcel size/location between backup and
> restore as well as some
> >>> ownership/covenant/zoning issues.
> >>>
> >>> As I think about the problem I am not sure I
> (or anyone else) can
> >> fully
> >>> articulate even the nature of those issues
> since they depend heavily
> >> on
> >>> the
> >>> direction that OpenSim development and
> implementation takes.
> >>>
> >>> Just the same we do need to consider them as
> best we can lest we fall
> >> into
> >>> some of the same traps as Second Life (content
> ownership, banking
> >> debacle,
> >>> and gambling come to mind).
> >>>
> >>> Karen
> >>>
> >>> --- On Fri, 11/20/09, Robert Klein <rtkwebman at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> From: Robert Klein <rtkwebman at gmail.com>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Parcel
> Archiver?
> >>>> To: opensim-users at lists.berlios.de
> >>>> Date: Friday, November 20, 2009, 6:09 PM
> >>>>
> >>>> Hey Justin,
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes that is correct, just archive a single
> parcel on a
> >>>> region. Whatever is
> >>>> in the parcel gets put into the PAR file.
> Can it be done?
> >>>>
> >>>> -Robert
> >>>>
> >>>> justincc wrote:
> >>>>> Robert Klein wrote:
> >>>>>> We have a OAR for regions and a
> IAR for inventory
> >>>> but what about a PAR
> >>>>>> for
> >>>>>> doing parcel area archiving? It
> would be an easy
> >>>> way to dedicate one
> >>>>>> subdivided parcel area for
> bringing things in and
> >>>> out of OpenSims that
> >>>>>> either use the mega region or just
> have a single
> >>>> region that is
> >>>>>> subdivided.
> >>>>>> Also the beauty of this would be
> in the future if
> >>>> you have renters or
> >>>>>> event
> >>>>>> spaces you can keep backups of
> just those spaces.
> >>>>> I'm not too sure if I get exactly what
> you mean.
> >>>> Are you talking about
> >>>>> archiving just the contents of a
> single parcel on a
> >>>> region?
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> justincc
> >>>>> Justin Clark-Casey
> >>>>> http://justincc.org
> >>>>>
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