[Opensim-users] Funding/Donating to the OSGrid Project

Robert Klein rtkwebman at gmail.com
Sun Nov 15 17:02:40 UTC 2009


+1 to what Diva says about contributing time and free stuff!!


Diva Canto wrote:
> 
> +1 to donating to OSGrid.
> 
> Just want to make sure that there is no confusion here, as this thread 
> is in *opensim*-users. The OpenSim project and OSGrid are two separate 
> and independent things. OpenSim is... well OpenSim. OSgrid is an 
> OpenSim-based grid run by Adam, Nebadon, Charles and a few other 
> volunteers. The people behind OSGrid are instrumental in testing the 
> bleeding edge OpenSim, they are the frontline of large-scale OpenSim 
> testing; but they are not the only testers.
> 
> The OpenSim project itself also takes donations, but we don't really 
> value that kind of contribution. We value people's time best. You can 
> find info about it in this obscure page:
> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Donations
> 
> Personal note: at this point, what I would value most coming from people 
> who aren't programmers but who want to donate something to the OpenSim 
> project would be free content -- avatars, clothes, etc.
> 
> Len Brown wrote:
>> Thank you so much Adam!  I really appreicate you taking the time to 
>> detail these things for me.
>> 
>>      What brought the contribution issue to mind especially is that 
>> until recently I had been paying Linden Lab for a full private region in 
>> Second Life.  And you may know those regions go for $295 per month (even 
>> "light use" regions are $195 a month). That's a hefty chunk of change.  
>> Of course, now I use OpenSim almost exclusively and would be far more 
>> willing now to pay a monthly contribution to this project rather than 
>> continuing to breastfeed the Linden Lords.  :)
>> 
>> Last I heard they have around 300,000 regions they are feeding off of
>> now.
>> 
>> Thanks again and I'll be very happy to initiate a decent monthly 
>> contribution soon if the contribution portion of the site gets updated 
>> and more properly managed.
>> 
>> BTW, you mentioned having to change the stats in several places on the 
>> site.  Is it not running on PHP or similar?  Even if it still had to be 
>> manually entered into the database, surely drawing the stats for 
>> contributions from a single database field would simplify matters.
>> 
>> I had a non-profit site for a few years and had a small bar meter graph 
>> in the header (on every page)  that relied on a field in the database.  
>> Once a week I entered that week's donations and expenses in and the bar 
>> graph updated to reflect it.  It made sense because on that same day I 
>> also spent donated money for hosting, supplies, etc so it was a fairly 
>> simplistic process.  I then displayed what purchases I made as a simple 
>> pop up when the donation meter was clicked on.
>> 
>> I had a disclaimer, as you do, that I had authority to determine in what 
>> ways the donation was to be used, but by also displaying what I used it 
>> for then there was little question coming from donors.  I even had a 
>> "back-pat allowance" that I openly said was pocketed money for personal 
>> enjoyment (generally 10-15% of the total donation amount monthly).  I 
>> never had a single complaint, but I believe that was because I was 
>> crystal clear from the start - if you disagreed with my use of donations 
>> then you had the simple choice - not to donate.
>> 
>> Thanks again Adam!
>> 
>> - Len
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 2:07 AM, Frisby, Adam <adam at deepthink.com.au 
>> <mailto:adam at deepthink.com.au>> wrote:
>> 
>>     Sorry about this – we switched it (or should have) recently over to
>>     a fixed message on the screen (may not have been put on the live
>>     site yet, I believe Dave was supposed to be doing that?), since
>>     tracking the donations turned out to require a manual count of the
>>     subscriptions every time it needed to be updated (which naturally
>>     resulted in it not getting done after a few months), and it needs to
>>     be updated in about fifteen different places on the site’s code.
>> 
>>      
>> 
>>     That said, I do think it is still a little shy of the target right
>>     now, but we’re ahead of our costs which is good – I would like to
>>     prod Ckrinke (*prod prod*) to do some kind of news piece on the site
>>     with just a quick update on where the fundraising efforts are going,
>>     and what the current donation levels are – we’re trying to hit a
>>     target of having about years operational fees in balance (which
>>     should be described on that page) which gives us a bit of long-term
>>     security.
>> 
>>      
>> 
>>     If you are curious about what it’s being spent on – right now, I
>>     believe (and don’t quote me here, I’m not doing the books) we’re
>>     slightly ahead of our current costs which are entirely consumed by
>>     server lease fees. We also had a couple of one-off expenses this
>>     year with paperwork filing fees in CA to get the registered
>>     organisation wrapped up (and we’re formally applying for federal tax
>>     exempt status this week – long process). If I had to guess based on
>>     the balance in the bank account; we’re taking in about $250/mo right
>>     now, and our target is $300 (so 80% or thereabouts).
>> 
>>      
>> 
>>     We do also get a couple of one-off payments which we don’t count
>>     towards the regular monthly commitments; we’ve had a couple of very
>>     generous persons who have donated $100+ at a time; which we’re
>>     putting into a rainy day fund that will be used to cover shortfalls
>>     in other months (ie; if we have a month where donations is less than
>>     our costs, as has happened occasionally), or may be used in the
>>     future to purchase new hardware (we are eyeballing replacing the
>>     current asset server with something more purpose built for the task.)
>> 
>>      
>> 
>>     Costs remain right now at $160/mo + one-offs; so the donations are
>>     still much appreciated – once we hit that magic $300/mo, we want to
>>     go ahead and buy a second UGIM server to act as a hot-backup to the
>>     current systems (since right now our regular backup is in Nebadon’s
>>     basement – and not really ideal if we ever need to do a big restore
>>     like in January.) – this is non-essential for the grid operations,
>>     but we do want to insure ourselves against catastrophic hardware
>>     failure and has been a priority to setup hopefully sometime this
>> year.
>> 
>>      
>> 
>>     In addition to the donations, there are also the sponsors – OSgrid
>>     is sponsored to a fairly considerable tune by people who have
>>     donated dedicated servers to the grid. The electric sheep company
>>     provides our central database & UGIM server right now, Dave
>>     Coyle/Knifejaw Systems provide a fairly powerful box that hosts LBSA
>>     Plaza & others; DeepThink (disclaimer, I’m part of D.T.) donates two
>>     boxes which host the remaining plazas (inc. Wright) [which deepthink
>>     recently just upgraded].
>> 
>>      
>> 
>>     As mentioned on the site – OSgrid is a registered nonprofit, and
>>     while the above may paint a somewhat rosy position; in absolute
>>     terms it is still only ~$250 per month; and we desperately want to
>>     both; a) have savings for a rainy day (e.g.; a critical machine
>>     fails & needs replacing), and b) purchase some new equipment from
>>     time to time to expand our services when possible; which means that
>>     every donation is very-much appreciated – and it can be assured
>>     we’re doing our best to keep our costs down & not wasting any funds
>>     we receive.
>> 
>>      
>> 
>>     With all the above said, the opensim-users list isn’t really the
>>     place for osgrid specific discussion (#osgrid on freenode is
>>     probably the proper place) – but I hope I answered any questions or
>>     concerns you might have about the donations & where they go.
>> 
>>      
>> 
>>     Regards,
>> 
>>      
>> 
>>     Adam
>> 
>>     (OSgrid Vice President)
>> 
>>      
>> 
>>     *From:* opensim-users-bounces at lists.berlios.de
>>     <mailto:opensim-users-bounces at lists.berlios.de>
>>     [mailto:opensim-users-bounces at lists.berlios.de
>>     <mailto:opensim-users-bounces at lists.berlios.de>] *On Behalf Of *Len
>>     Brown
>>     *Sent:* Saturday, 7 November 2009 10:52 PM
>>     *To:* opensim-users at lists.berlios.de
>>     <mailto:opensim-users at lists.berlios.de>
>>     *Subject:* Re: [Opensim-users] Funding/Donating to the OSGrid Project
>> 
>>      
>> 
>>     I just noticed this on their donations page:
>> 
>>     "*Current Status:* $50.00/mo pledged. (Last updated: 11:36PM PST,
>>     Monday 20th July 2009)"
>> 
>>     That is quite interesting as well.  I don't see how they come to the
>>     conclusion that a $50 donation pledge is "58% of Target" which is
>> $250.
>> 
>>     :)
>> 
>>     - Len
>> 
>>     On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 12:12 AM, Len Brown <lenwbrown at gmail.com
>>     <mailto:lenwbrown at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>     Hi!
>> 
>>          I've been wanting to make a monthly donation to OSGrid.org but
>>     for the last several months (as far back as I can recall) the site
>>     has shown a static "Funding at 58% of Target" and not changed
>>     whatsoever.  I find that extremely hard to believe.  Is OSGrid
>>     simply lying and maintaining that 58% donation figure for months on
>>     end to compel people to donate?  for all I know at this point, they
>>     may be receiving thousands in donations per month, but of course,
>>     without transparency, that is impossible to identify.
>> 
>>         I regularly donate money to open source projects I have an
>>     interest in, but only when their donation requests are transparent
>>     and clear.  On OSGrid's donation page, they state their target is
>>     $250.00 per month.  I just find it very hard to believe that, with
>>     the thousands of users and connected regions they are still only
>>     getting about $150 per month without any changes in that
>>     contribution level all through the summer and fall.
>> 
>>          I have the suspicion that others who would like to donate as
>>     well are turned off by the seemingly forever static contribution
>>     coverage percentage.  If I saw even a little fluctuation I'd at
>>     least know there is some variability in contributions and I'd not
>>     hesitate to offer a monthly contribution via PayPal.
>> 
>>          Heck, even if they said that contributions were at 100% but
>>     that they could always make use of more money, even if for personal
>>     compensation to those working on the project, I'd not have the
>>     slightest problem with that.  I have no reservations about making a
>>     donation that the recipient pockets - as long as they are actively
>>     contributing to the project in some manner.
>> 
>>          But for now I'm donating my money to other groups while
>>     OSGrid.org maintains their contributions as only 58% of their meager
>>     $250/month goal...
>> 
>>     - Len W. brown
>>          lenwbrown at gmail.com <mailto:lenwbrown at gmail.com>
>> 
>>      
>> 
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