[Opensim-users] toward a new client

Thu Dec 4 11:49:11 UTC 2008

James Stallings II wrote:
> I too am a linux user. I'm also something of a linux dev. That 
> necesarily means I'm probably not a c# dev, as I have made concious 
> decisions to part company with windows many years ago. Additionally, as 
> a result of that decision, my focus has been in any place but windows 
> developement environments and programming languages.
> 
> True, I -have- become more familiar with c# since I began an association 
> with this project - but what that association has taught me is that it 
> isnt worth the trouble for me to develop for this project. Why? Because 
> my only options are to switch platforms, or dev with mono. And mono, 
> fwiw is not a truly compatible solution - issues with stability, memory, 
> and an inability to closely track the moving target that is the 
> microsoft .net runtime pretty well insure it will continue to be 
> ineffective, at best, as a solution to the problem of addressing 
> multiple platforms.
> 
> I absolutely beg the opensim core - stop drifting towards windows 
> centricity. You made a commitment some time ago to be cross platform - 
> follow through on the promise.
> 
> Everytime someone justifies a windows only application or framework in 
> this project, it justifies the next such move. Eventually it will become 
> very easy to justify opensim as a windows-only application. IMHO, that 
> would be both travesty and tragedy.
> 

I doubt this will ever happen.  A number of the core developers (myself included) are very much Linux people (Sean is a 
developer in the IBM Linux Technology Centre, for instance :).  Everybody is happy to limit the SDK APIs used in OpenSim 
to those which are available both on Microsoft's system and under Mono - it hasn't proved a problem so far.

Mono isn't perfect but I think that it's improving impressively fast - it grows up just as we grow up (well, maybe quite 
a bit ahead).

It's true that some surrounding projects are currently implemented only on Windows.  But I don't see this as a long term 
problem.  Hopefully it will act either as a spur for people to develop the necessary infrastructure on the Linux side, 
or will inspire technologies that do encompass Linux (hence gaining the interested developers committed to the platform) 
to win through.

The people who should be complaining are the Mac OS X folks - I think they probably generally have the most problems 
running OpenSim ;)

> Cheers
> James
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 11:47 AM, Charles Krinke <cfk at pacbell.net 
> <mailto:cfk at pacbell.net>> wrote:
> 
>     I would like to suggest that a "zealot" on IRC take this one and
>     start a group testing and reporting on #opensim.
> 
>     The Rex client should connect to an OpenSim region or a grid like
>     OSGrid. It may have some problems, but this is the time to start
>     getting configurations worked out and getting this client working on
>     OpenSim more formally.
> 
>     The Windows client is fine for now. Lets get it up and running and
>     talk about it. The Rex folks have put a lot of effort in getting to
>     this stage and we can help all of us by using and testing the Rex
>     client and discussing it on our #opensim IRC channel on FreeNode.
> 
>     "Zealot" needed now! Pay is non-existent, hours are long, glory is
>     significant.
> 
>     Charles
> 
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     *From:* Tedd Hansen <tedd at nimbustech.no <mailto:tedd at nimbustech.no>>
> 
>     *To:* opensim-users at lists.berlios.de
>     <mailto:opensim-users at lists.berlios.de>
>     *Sent:* Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:05:48 AM
> 
>     *Subject:* Re: [Opensim-users] toward a new client
> 
>     Hi
> 
>     I must say I'm impressed. The graphics looks really nice, far far beyond
>     anything SL can offer both in looks and animation.
>     And the little game play demo must be among the best/most useful thing
>     I've ever seen in the Second Life universe.
> 
>     For those here who haven't done it - I highly recommend you download
>     viewer and local server, unzip it and have a quick go at the game (click
>     statued fish to teleport outside).
>     I think you'll be very pleasantly surprised when you run it.
> 
>     Looking forward to having the REX viewer/features work with vanilla
>     OpenSim+REX modules. :)
>     Great work!
> 
>     BR,
>     Tedd
> 
> 
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: opensim-users-bounces at lists.berlios.de
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>     [mailto:opensim-users-bounces at lists.berlios.de
>     <mailto:opensim-users-bounces at lists.berlios.de>] On Behalf Of Paul
>     Fishwick
>     Sent: 1. desember 2008 20:55
>     To: opensim-users at lists.berlios.de
>     <mailto:opensim-users at lists.berlios.de>
>     Subject: [Opensim-users] toward a new client
> 
>     If you haven't tried it yet, go to:
> 
>     http://www.realxtend.org/page.php?pg=downloads
> 
>     and try out the new client and server. Apparently, later on this month
>     or
>     next, this viewer will connect to the opensim trunk (rather than the
>     forked
>     project that it is now).
> 
>     The sea world is great! Lots of new features.
> 
>     -p
> 
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