[Opensim-dev] Opensim-dev Digest, Vol 13, Issue 34
James Nichols
james.franklin.nichols at gmail.com
Fri Apr 24 23:59:22 UTC 2015
It would seem Moses is trying to help with the code.
On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 7:53 PM, Dahlia Trimble <dahliatrimble at gmail.com>
wrote:
> If anyone here is willing to help with maintaining ever increasingly
> complex code and supporting users, feel free to chip in. Talk is cheap.
>
> On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 3:51 PM, Frank Nichols <j.frank.nichols at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Then basically we can never diverge away from SL since any divergence is
>> going to break existing scripts that require compatibility.
>>
>> If we don't bite the bullet and make the changes, i do believe OS will
>> (has?) stagnate. It seems every time outside resources try to make changes
>> and help we end up back at the argument that too much legacy code will have
>> to be rewritten. I suggest that we "fork" core, in essence. By this i mean
>> we have a switch in core, SL COMPATIBILITY MODE. switch equals true and it
>> runs the code as it is, switch equals FALSE and it runs a new code base
>> with changes. Default can be true. I then suggest we focus future
>> development on the new branch that is not compatible.
>>
>> Frank
>>
>> Sent from my iPad Air 2
>>
>> On Apr 24, 2015, at 6:00 PM, Michael Emory Cerquoni <
>> nebadon2025 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I am all for diverging away from SL, but not at the expense of breaking
>> existing systems or content, because ultimately its the core development
>> team who has to deal with the fall out of that.
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 5:57 PM, Seth Nygard <sethnygard at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I am in full support of showing the actual numbers for all system
>>> metrics. It is long past time we dispensed with trying to be like SL when
>>> we are not in so many ways already.
>>>
>>> What I would suggest as a solution that should fit everyone's needs.
>>> How about we add a scaling factor that can be set in the INI file. This
>>> can be set to yield the current inflated numbers by default, but can also
>>> be set to 1 for anyone wanting real numbers.
>>>
>>> -Seth
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 5:50 PM, <opensim-dev-request at opensimulator.org>
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>>>> 1. Re: MOSES patch submitted (UNCLASSIFIED) (Michael Emory Cerquoni)
>>>> 2. Re: MOSES patch submitted (UNCLASSIFIED) (Michael Emory Cerquoni)
>>>> 3. Re: MOSES patch submitted (UNCLASSIFIED) (Michael Emory Cerquoni)
>>>>
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>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 17:40:39 -0400
>>>> From: Michael Emory Cerquoni <nebadon2025 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: opensim-dev at opensimulator.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] MOSES patch submitted (UNCLASSIFIED)
>>>> Message-ID:
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>>>> ok I will continue testing this for now, we should try to resolve the
>>>> white
>>>> space issues before it hits core, we can worry about that later though.
>>>> I
>>>> hope others can start testing this patch as well we need to really make
>>>> sure this does not break any scripts or monitoring apps before this
>>>> changes
>>>> the core code, so anyone who has the time please do test this and let us
>>>> know if you notice anything change or break, thanks!
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 3:38 PM, Maxwell, Douglas CIV USARMY ARL (US) <
>>>> douglas.maxwell3.civ at mail.mil> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>>> > Caveats: NONE
>>>> >
>>>> > What you saw were just warnings about white spaces. The patch should
>>>> still
>>>> > apply and work. We follows the open simulator patch creation guidance
>>>> > explicitly, if you guys have updated instructions for how you want
>>>> this
>>>> > done -
>>>> > let us know. Otherwise, you can ignore the warnings.
>>>> >
>>>> > v/r -douglas
>>>> >
>>>> > Douglas Maxwell, MSME
>>>> > Science and Technology Manager
>>>> > Virtual World Strategic Applications
>>>> > U.S. Army Research Lab
>>>> > Simulation & Training Technology Center (STTC)
>>>> > (c) (407) 242-0209
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>>> > From: opensim-dev-bounces at opensimulator.org
>>>> > [mailto:opensim-dev-bounces at opensimulator.org] On Behalf Of Michael
>>>> Emory
>>>> > Cerquoni
>>>> > Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 2:38 PM
>>>> > To: opensim-dev at opensimulator.org
>>>> > Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] MOSES patch submitted
>>>> >
>>>> > please check the mantis, i had some trouble applying patch for
>>>> testing,
>>>> > thanks
>>>> > guys!
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Michael Heilmann <
>>>> mheilman at ist.ucf.edu>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Opensim Devs
>>>> >
>>>> > Just an FYI, mantis bug #7540 is the first code submission
>>>> from
>>>> > project
>>>> > MOSES. Thanks.
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> > Michael Heilmann
>>>> > Research Associate
>>>> > Institute for Simulation and Training
>>>> > University of Central Florida
>>>> >
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>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> >
>>>> > Michael Emory Cerquoni
>>>> >
>>>> > Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>>> > Caveats: NONE
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
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>>>> Message: 2
>>>> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 17:42:52 -0400
>>>> From: Michael Emory Cerquoni <nebadon2025 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: opensim-dev at opensimulator.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] MOSES patch submitted (UNCLASSIFIED)
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>>>> ok so just so I understand we should now see this actually just display
>>>> 11fps? Personally I think this is a bad idea, alot of people may be
>>>> using
>>>> monitoring apps and scripts that look for low fps and restart the
>>>> region,
>>>> we would basically be forcing everyone to rewrite a lot of code to
>>>> accommodate a singular purpose? Not quite sure how this improves the
>>>> project as a whole.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 5:40 PM, Michael Emory Cerquoni <
>>>> nebadon2025 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > ok I will continue testing this for now, we should try to resolve the
>>>> > white space issues before it hits core, we can worry about that later
>>>> > though. I hope others can start testing this patch as well we need to
>>>> > really make sure this does not break any scripts or monitoring apps
>>>> before
>>>> > this changes the core code, so anyone who has the time please do test
>>>> this
>>>> > and let us know if you notice anything change or break, thanks!
>>>> >
>>>> > On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 3:38 PM, Maxwell, Douglas CIV USARMY ARL (US)
>>>> <
>>>> > douglas.maxwell3.civ at mail.mil> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>>> >> Caveats: NONE
>>>> >>
>>>> >> What you saw were just warnings about white spaces. The patch should
>>>> >> still
>>>> >> apply and work. We follows the open simulator patch creation
>>>> guidance
>>>> >> explicitly, if you guys have updated instructions for how you want
>>>> this
>>>> >> done -
>>>> >> let us know. Otherwise, you can ignore the warnings.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> v/r -douglas
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Douglas Maxwell, MSME
>>>> >> Science and Technology Manager
>>>> >> Virtual World Strategic Applications
>>>> >> U.S. Army Research Lab
>>>> >> Simulation & Training Technology Center (STTC)
>>>> >> (c) (407) 242-0209
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>>> >> From: opensim-dev-bounces at opensimulator.org
>>>> >> [mailto:opensim-dev-bounces at opensimulator.org] On Behalf Of Michael
>>>> Emory
>>>> >> Cerquoni
>>>> >> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 2:38 PM
>>>> >> To: opensim-dev at opensimulator.org
>>>> >> Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] MOSES patch submitted
>>>> >>
>>>> >> please check the mantis, i had some trouble applying patch for
>>>> testing,
>>>> >> thanks
>>>> >> guys!
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Michael Heilmann <
>>>> mheilman at ist.ucf.edu>
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Opensim Devs
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Just an FYI, mantis bug #7540 is the first code submission
>>>> from
>>>> >> project
>>>> >> MOSES. Thanks.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> --
>>>> >> Michael Heilmann
>>>> >> Research Associate
>>>> >> Institute for Simulation and Training
>>>> >> University of Central Florida
>>>> >>
>>>> >> _______________________________________________
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>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> --
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Michael Emory Cerquoni
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>>> >> Caveats: NONE
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
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>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> > Michael Emory Cerquoni
>>>> >
>>>>
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>>>> Message: 3
>>>> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 17:50:32 -0400
>>>> From: Michael Emory Cerquoni <nebadon2025 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: opensim-dev at opensimulator.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] MOSES patch submitted (UNCLASSIFIED)
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>> <CAF5=rqWbXjfgv5Au9VDa+_b8AsvY4NpL2CFxY=4L=ncE=
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>>>>
>>>> I have to admit I am a bit bewildered at this patch, what is the actual
>>>> benefit of reporting the actual numbers if it has the potential to
>>>> break so
>>>> much? Can we rethink this and have this be a variable that can be
>>>> configured for different applications, I really hate the idea of forcing
>>>> this change on everyone without much better ability to explain why this
>>>> is
>>>> so important, having it just go from 55fps to 11fps is going to freak
>>>> people out and cause a lot of problems for the core development support
>>>> teams. To me it makes more sense to make the multiplication factor
>>>> configurable so that if a certain grid wants to run at normal stats they
>>>> can set the modifier to 1.0 if a certain grid wants to be an analogue of
>>>> second life they can change the modifier to 5.0, but if forcing
>>>> everyone to
>>>> use this is the only option I have to say my vote is -1 for inclusion at
>>>> this point, unless someone can really convince me why this is so
>>>> important
>>>> otherwise.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Michael Emory Cerquoni <
>>>> nebadon2025 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > ok so just so I understand we should now see this actually just
>>>> display
>>>> > 11fps? Personally I think this is a bad idea, alot of people may be
>>>> using
>>>> > monitoring apps and scripts that look for low fps and restart the
>>>> region,
>>>> > we would basically be forcing everyone to rewrite a lot of code to
>>>> > accommodate a singular purpose? Not quite sure how this improves the
>>>> > project as a whole.
>>>> >
>>>> > On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 5:40 PM, Michael Emory Cerquoni <
>>>> > nebadon2025 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> ok I will continue testing this for now, we should try to resolve the
>>>> >> white space issues before it hits core, we can worry about that later
>>>> >> though. I hope others can start testing this patch as well we need to
>>>> >> really make sure this does not break any scripts or monitoring apps
>>>> before
>>>> >> this changes the core code, so anyone who has the time please do
>>>> test this
>>>> >> and let us know if you notice anything change or break, thanks!
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 3:38 PM, Maxwell, Douglas CIV USARMY ARL
>>>> (US) <
>>>> >> douglas.maxwell3.civ at mail.mil> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>>> >>> Caveats: NONE
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> What you saw were just warnings about white spaces. The patch
>>>> should
>>>> >>> still
>>>> >>> apply and work. We follows the open simulator patch creation
>>>> guidance
>>>> >>> explicitly, if you guys have updated instructions for how you want
>>>> this
>>>> >>> done -
>>>> >>> let us know. Otherwise, you can ignore the warnings.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> v/r -douglas
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Douglas Maxwell, MSME
>>>> >>> Science and Technology Manager
>>>> >>> Virtual World Strategic Applications
>>>> >>> U.S. Army Research Lab
>>>> >>> Simulation & Training Technology Center (STTC)
>>>> >>> (c) (407) 242-0209
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> >>> From: opensim-dev-bounces at opensimulator.org
>>>> >>> [mailto:opensim-dev-bounces at opensimulator.org] On Behalf Of Michael
>>>> >>> Emory
>>>> >>> Cerquoni
>>>> >>> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 2:38 PM
>>>> >>> To: opensim-dev at opensimulator.org
>>>> >>> Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] MOSES patch submitted
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> please check the mantis, i had some trouble applying patch for
>>>> testing,
>>>> >>> thanks
>>>> >>> guys!
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Michael Heilmann <
>>>> mheilman at ist.ucf.edu>
>>>> >>> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Opensim Devs
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Just an FYI, mantis bug #7540 is the first code submission
>>>> from
>>>> >>> project
>>>> >>> MOSES. Thanks.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> --
>>>> >>> Michael Heilmann
>>>> >>> Research Associate
>>>> >>> Institute for Simulation and Training
>>>> >>> University of Central Florida
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> _______________________________________________
>>>> >>> Opensim-dev mailing list
>>>> >>> Opensim-dev at opensimulator.org
>>>> >>>
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>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> --
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Michael Emory Cerquoni
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>>> >>> Caveats: NONE
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
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>>>> >>>
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>>>> >>
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>>>> >> Michael Emory Cerquoni
>>>> >>
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