[Opensim-dev] OpenSim's direction after Linden cutting support, and the possibility of an official OpenSim viewer

[Wade Schuette]

Be careful what you wish for!

I'd say that a viewer, like an operating system, should be relatively 
sleek and clean, and work well with plug-ins and add-ons.   It's a 
terrible idea from a design and maintenance point of view to put 
everything you like INSIDE the viewer or Operating System.  Then you end 
up with something like Microsoft Windows, taking 8 Gig of memory just to 
load the OS and not do anything else, full of functionality SOMEONE ELSE 
wanted, but you didn't care about and that is actually in your way.

Third-party add-ons and plug-ins seem like a better architecture, like 
Firefox.

Wade





On 12/11/12 12:24 PM, R.Gunther wrote:
> Firestorm bloated ? there some bugs that make it not useable for me. 
> As example i cannot use teapot because there's no vector copy in edit.
> A viewer need to have at least the following extra things.
>
> -Radar
> -AO
> -Advanced edit tools, like vector copy and texture align, also the 
> wider setting with numbers, like hollow = 99
> -Mesh view and upload !
>
> Further is the V3 notification system much nicer to have, also the way 
> you can arrange buttons.
> Sofar i cannot think about more things then what we have inside 
> singularity V1
>
>
> On 2012-12-11 21:04, Mircea Kitsune wrote:
>> I noticed most users prefer Firestorm and it's considered the best 
>> third-party viewer at this day. Although it's a thing of personal 
>> preference, I am a bit worried that Firestorm gets all the attention, 
>> since I'm not seeing any of the other viewers getting mentioned much 
>> since Firestorm is there. Like I said I don't like it because it's 
>> very bloated and slow... the ideal viewer for me is one just like the 
>> official SL client but with a grid manager, build / upload limits 
>> removed, and new features added.
>>
>> As far as I know the Second Life viewer is GPL licensed, so 
>> distributing it should be possible like any other GPL software. 
>> Excluding the Havoc library which supposedly caused OpenSim support 
>> to go away. Changes unrelated to the Havoc lib should always be GPL 
>> too, so if LL adds something that OpenSim viewer can integrate it 
>> should be ok. OpenSim is MIT licensed if I remember right, but 
>> there's nothing wrong with distributing a MIT code and a GPL one 
>> under the same name and website.
>>
>> Building a viewer from scratch is something I don't believe will 
>> happen or needs to happen. It would be an enormous amount of work, 
>> only to achieve something very similar to what's already there. The 
>> SL viewer just needs work in places where Linden didn't give it much 
>> attention, but is well optimized in many areas.
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 15:55:28 +0100
>> From: garmin.kawaguichi at magalaxie.com
>> To: opensim-dev at lists.berlios.de
>> Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] OpenSim's direction after Linden cutting 
>> support, and the possibility of an official OpenSim viewer
>>
>> I much prefer using Firestorm for OpenSim since developers have 
>> clearly separated Opensim version from the SL one. Firestorm 431 
>> 31155 version is very powerful and there are of course some lacks.
>> But Firestorm developers are very responsive and they opened a 
>> section OpenSim in their Jira (successfully tested).
>>
>> On the other hand, we can always think that people who have made a 
>> server would be best placed to make a viewer. Except that this would 
>> lead to a paradoxical situation where OpenSim developers ask Linden 
>> Lab permission to use sources V2/3/4, keeping in mind that the issue 
>> of licenses would remain the same that withthe SL viewer and the 
>> viewer FireStorm.
>>
>> As for building a viewer from scratch, as did our realXtend friends 
>> .... it's difficult to gather enough people and get results in a 
>> significant delay.
>>
>> GCI
>>
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