[Opensim-dev] www.opensim.net

Wed May 5 15:09:22 UTC 2010

I am pretty sure we have no claim to opensim because of this project

https://simtk.org/home/opensim

this project existed long before OpenSimulator.org did.

also opensim.net does not seem to be responding for me.

On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 4:34 AM, Tedd Hansen <tedd at konge.net> wrote:

> Hi
>
> I'm not sure that it is legal to use "OpenSim" as this is a short for
> "OpenSimulator" and hence could pretty obviously cause confusion. Most
> countries (I hope at least) have laws that prohibits this kind of behavior.
>
> Anyway, would it be an idea to add "OpenSim" to the license agreement? I
> think it should be a fair deal for both developers and users that people
> respect OpenSim as well as OpenSimulator names in product marketing. As
> long
> as the limitations for "OpenSim" only applies to the contributions in this
> source code then it shouldn't be a problem? And making it more restrictive
> is ok, making it less restrictive requires a yes from all contributors.
>
> I'm fairly sure that an "opensim.net grid" will cause confusion on
> multiple
> levels around the world.
>
> Br,
>  Tedd
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: opensim-dev-bounces at lists.berlios.de
> [mailto:opensim-dev-bounces at lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of Justin
> Clark-Casey
> Sent: 3. mai 2010 21:41
> To: opensim-dev at lists.berlios.de
> Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] www.opensim.net
>
> John Sheridan wrote:
> > Going by:
> >
> > *121*days until
> > *OpenSim.net Grid Launch Party
> > *
> >
> > at the upper left of the page I'd guess this the homepage (or future
> > homepage) of someone's new grid.  I think someone may need to read the
> > OpenSim license - maybe the part where it states:
> >
> > " *     * Neither the name of the OpenSimulator Project nor the
> >  *       names of its contributors may be used to endorse or promote
> > products
> >  *       derived from this software without specific prior written
> > permission."
>
> Just for clarity, it just so happens that we don't have any claim to the
> name OpenSim.  It was already used by skeletal simulation project, which is
> why we tend to use the name OpenSimulator when formally talking about the
> project.
>
> The website in question appears only to use the word OpenSim.  However, it
> also takes content from our wiki, which is licensed under the Creative
> Common Attribute-Share Alike 2.5 license
>
> http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.5/
>
> This license requires attribution and I couldn't see any on opensim.net.
>  I
> think that this would be the thing to point out to them (or Google), as
> well
> as where other people's images have been used without permission.
>
> >
> >
> >  - Orion Pseudo
> >
> > **
> >
> > On 05/03/2010 10:59 AM, Fish Kungfu wrote:
> >>
> >> All the entries in the "News" and "Journals" section are posted by
> >> someone named, Ismail Malik.
> >>
> >>> On May 3, 2010 9:49 AM, "Tedd Hansen" <tedd at konge.net
> >>> <mailto:tedd at konge.net>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Anyone know what www.opensim.net <http://www.opensim.net> is all
> about?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The short story; It looks to me like someone (anonymous owner of
> >>> opensim.net <http://opensim.net>) has hijacked a name (opensim) he or
> >>> she may or may not have legal rights to with the (criminal) intent of
> >>> abusing a (free) product name for his or her own benefit.
> >>>
> >>> (Yeah, darn those feminists, can't "he" just cover both sexes?)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I really hope this doesn't mean that core developers have to spend
> >>> time on legal issues because some 14 year old wants to run his/her
> >>> own site. This is valuable time for professional developers that can
> >>> be spent on making OpenSim better instead of bitching to lawyers.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> [09:57:25] <Tedd1>
> >>> http://www.opensim.net/videos/opensim-tutorial-6-basic-avatar
> >>>
> >>> [09:57:28] <Tedd1> whats this? :)
> >>>
> >>> [09:58:05] <Tedd1> or rather this; http://www.opensim.net/
> >>>
> >>> [10:00:26] <sachaMagne_> no idea
> >>>
> >>> [10:00:52] <Tedd1> it seems to be ripping data directly from other
> sites
> >>>
> >>> [10:00:59] <phrearch> hey
> >>>
> >>> [10:01:00] <Tedd1> and pretending to "be" opensim
> >>>
> >>> [10:01:25] <Tedd1> view source -> Public Grid List Sorted <a
> >>> href="http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Grid_List/Sorted/Alphabetically"
> >>>
> >>> [10:02:25] <sachaMagne_> the opensimulator list is wrong anywat
> >>>
> >>> [10:02:46] <sachaMagne_> if you select different sorts, you will find
> >>> different result for the same grid
> >>>
> >>> [10:03:15] <Tedd1> page contains RSS feeds, steals lists from
> >>> opensimulator.org <http://opensimulator.org>, copy pastes info and
> >>> mixes it with lies and half baked truth without ever mentioning that
> >>> it is *NOT* opensim
> >>>
> >>> [10:03:28] <Tedd1> *RSS feeds from other pages (of course)
> >>>
> >>> [10:03:36] <Tedd1> so no actual contribution, a lot of stealing :)
> >>>
> >>> [10:04:09] <sachaMagne_> not a breaking news for RSS aggregator ... :/
> >>>
> >>> [10:07:22] <Tedd1> someone should probably contact the domain owner
> >>>
> >>> [10:07:41] <Tedd1> would be really pittyful if core members had to
> >>> spend time on legal issues to get some 14 year old to play nice
> >>>
> >>> [10:07:46] <sachaMagne_> i made a whois and the real owner is hidden
> >>>
> >>> [10:08:07] <Tedd1> time that could be spent on features, bugfixes, etc
> >>>
> >>> [10:08:51] <sachaMagne_> no legal information on the site itself
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Br,
> >>>
> >>>  Tedd
> >>>
> >>>
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