I am pretty sure we have no claim to opensim because of this project<br><br><a href="https://simtk.org/home/opensim">https://simtk.org/home/opensim</a><br><br>this project existed long before OpenSimulator.org did.<br><br>
also <a href="http://opensim.net">opensim.net</a> does not seem to be responding for me.<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 4:34 AM, Tedd Hansen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tedd@konge.net">tedd@konge.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Hi<br>
<br>
I'm not sure that it is legal to use "OpenSim" as this is a short for<br>
"OpenSimulator" and hence could pretty obviously cause confusion. Most<br>
countries (I hope at least) have laws that prohibits this kind of behavior.<br>
<br>
Anyway, would it be an idea to add "OpenSim" to the license agreement? I<br>
think it should be a fair deal for both developers and users that people<br>
respect OpenSim as well as OpenSimulator names in product marketing. As long<br>
as the limitations for "OpenSim" only applies to the contributions in this<br>
source code then it shouldn't be a problem? And making it more restrictive<br>
is ok, making it less restrictive requires a yes from all contributors.<br>
<br>
I'm fairly sure that an "<a href="http://opensim.net" target="_blank">opensim.net</a> grid" will cause confusion on multiple<br>
levels around the world.<br>
<br>
Br,<br>
<font color="#888888"> Tedd<br>
</font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
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[mailto:<a href="mailto:opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de">opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de</a>] On Behalf Of Justin<br>
Clark-Casey<br>
Sent: 3. mai 2010 21:41<br>
To: <a href="mailto:opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de">opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] <a href="http://www.opensim.net" target="_blank">www.opensim.net</a><br>
<br>
John Sheridan wrote:<br>
> Going by:<br>
><br>
> *121*days until<br>
> *OpenSim.net Grid Launch Party<br>
> *<br>
><br>
> at the upper left of the page I'd guess this the homepage (or future<br>
> homepage) of someone's new grid. I think someone may need to read the<br>
> OpenSim license - maybe the part where it states:<br>
><br>
> " * * Neither the name of the OpenSimulator Project nor the<br>
> * names of its contributors may be used to endorse or promote<br>
> products<br>
> * derived from this software without specific prior written<br>
> permission."<br>
<br>
Just for clarity, it just so happens that we don't have any claim to the<br>
name OpenSim. It was already used by skeletal simulation project, which is<br>
why we tend to use the name OpenSimulator when formally talking about the<br>
project.<br>
<br>
The website in question appears only to use the word OpenSim. However, it<br>
also takes content from our wiki, which is licensed under the Creative<br>
Common Attribute-Share Alike 2.5 license<br>
<br>
<a href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.5/" target="_blank">http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.5/</a><br>
<br>
This license requires attribution and I couldn't see any on <a href="http://opensim.net" target="_blank">opensim.net</a>. I<br>
think that this would be the thing to point out to them (or Google), as well<br>
as where other people's images have been used without permission.<br>
<br>
><br>
><br>
> - Orion Pseudo<br>
><br>
> **<br>
><br>
> On 05/03/2010 10:59 AM, Fish Kungfu wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> All the entries in the "News" and "Journals" section are posted by<br>
>> someone named, Ismail Malik.<br>
>><br>
>>> On May 3, 2010 9:49 AM, "Tedd Hansen" <<a href="mailto:tedd@konge.net">tedd@konge.net</a><br>
>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:tedd@konge.net">tedd@konge.net</a>>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Hi<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> Anyone know what <a href="http://www.opensim.net" target="_blank">www.opensim.net</a> <<a href="http://www.opensim.net" target="_blank">http://www.opensim.net</a>> is all about?<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> The short story; It looks to me like someone (anonymous owner of<br>
>>> <a href="http://opensim.net" target="_blank">opensim.net</a> <<a href="http://opensim.net" target="_blank">http://opensim.net</a>>) has hijacked a name (opensim) he or<br>
>>> she may or may not have legal rights to with the (criminal) intent of<br>
>>> abusing a (free) product name for his or her own benefit.<br>
>>><br>
>>> (Yeah, darn those feminists, can't "he" just cover both sexes?)<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> I really hope this doesn't mean that core developers have to spend<br>
>>> time on legal issues because some 14 year old wants to run his/her<br>
>>> own site. This is valuable time for professional developers that can<br>
>>> be spent on making OpenSim better instead of bitching to lawyers.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> [09:57:25] <Tedd1><br>
>>> <a href="http://www.opensim.net/videos/opensim-tutorial-6-basic-avatar" target="_blank">http://www.opensim.net/videos/opensim-tutorial-6-basic-avatar</a><br>
>>><br>
>>> [09:57:28] <Tedd1> whats this? :)<br>
>>><br>
>>> [09:58:05] <Tedd1> or rather this; <a href="http://www.opensim.net/" target="_blank">http://www.opensim.net/</a><br>
>>><br>
>>> [10:00:26] <sachaMagne_> no idea<br>
>>><br>
>>> [10:00:52] <Tedd1> it seems to be ripping data directly from other sites<br>
>>><br>
>>> [10:00:59] <phrearch> hey<br>
>>><br>
>>> [10:01:00] <Tedd1> and pretending to "be" opensim<br>
>>><br>
>>> [10:01:25] <Tedd1> view source -> Public Grid List Sorted <a<br>
>>> href="<a href="http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Grid_List/Sorted/Alphabetically" target="_blank">http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Grid_List/Sorted/Alphabetically</a>"<br>
>>><br>
>>> [10:02:25] <sachaMagne_> the opensimulator list is wrong anywat<br>
>>><br>
>>> [10:02:46] <sachaMagne_> if you select different sorts, you will find<br>
>>> different result for the same grid<br>
>>><br>
>>> [10:03:15] <Tedd1> page contains RSS feeds, steals lists from<br>
>>> <a href="http://opensimulator.org" target="_blank">opensimulator.org</a> <<a href="http://opensimulator.org" target="_blank">http://opensimulator.org</a>>, copy pastes info and<br>
>>> mixes it with lies and half baked truth without ever mentioning that<br>
>>> it is *NOT* opensim<br>
>>><br>
>>> [10:03:28] <Tedd1> *RSS feeds from other pages (of course)<br>
>>><br>
>>> [10:03:36] <Tedd1> so no actual contribution, a lot of stealing :)<br>
>>><br>
>>> [10:04:09] <sachaMagne_> not a breaking news for RSS aggregator ... :/<br>
>>><br>
>>> [10:07:22] <Tedd1> someone should probably contact the domain owner<br>
>>><br>
>>> [10:07:41] <Tedd1> would be really pittyful if core members had to<br>
>>> spend time on legal issues to get some 14 year old to play nice<br>
>>><br>
>>> [10:07:46] <sachaMagne_> i made a whois and the real owner is hidden<br>
>>><br>
>>> [10:08:07] <Tedd1> time that could be spent on features, bugfixes, etc<br>
>>><br>
>>> [10:08:51] <sachaMagne_> no legal information on the site itself<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> Br,<br>
>>><br>
>>> Tedd<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
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