[Opensim-dev] www.opensim.net

Wed May 5 11:34:50 UTC 2010

Hi

I'm not sure that it is legal to use "OpenSim" as this is a short for
"OpenSimulator" and hence could pretty obviously cause confusion. Most
countries (I hope at least) have laws that prohibits this kind of behavior.

Anyway, would it be an idea to add "OpenSim" to the license agreement? I
think it should be a fair deal for both developers and users that people
respect OpenSim as well as OpenSimulator names in product marketing. As long
as the limitations for "OpenSim" only applies to the contributions in this
source code then it shouldn't be a problem? And making it more restrictive
is ok, making it less restrictive requires a yes from all contributors.

I'm fairly sure that an "opensim.net grid" will cause confusion on multiple
levels around the world.

Br,
 Tedd

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:opensim-dev-bounces at lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of Justin
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Sent: 3. mai 2010 21:41
To: opensim-dev at lists.berlios.de
Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] www.opensim.net

John Sheridan wrote:
> Going by:
> 
> *121*days until
> *OpenSim.net Grid Launch Party
> *
> 
> at the upper left of the page I'd guess this the homepage (or future 
> homepage) of someone's new grid.  I think someone may need to read the 
> OpenSim license - maybe the part where it states:
> 
> " *     * Neither the name of the OpenSimulator Project nor the
>  *       names of its contributors may be used to endorse or promote 
> products
>  *       derived from this software without specific prior written 
> permission."

Just for clarity, it just so happens that we don't have any claim to the
name OpenSim.  It was already used by skeletal simulation project, which is
why we tend to use the name OpenSimulator when formally talking about the
project.

The website in question appears only to use the word OpenSim.  However, it
also takes content from our wiki, which is licensed under the Creative
Common Attribute-Share Alike 2.5 license

http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.5/

This license requires attribution and I couldn't see any on opensim.net.  I
think that this would be the thing to point out to them (or Google), as well
as where other people's images have been used without permission.

> 
> 
>  - Orion Pseudo
> 
> **
> 
> On 05/03/2010 10:59 AM, Fish Kungfu wrote:
>>
>> All the entries in the "News" and "Journals" section are posted by 
>> someone named, Ismail Malik.
>>
>>> On May 3, 2010 9:49 AM, "Tedd Hansen" <tedd at konge.net 
>>> <mailto:tedd at konge.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Anyone know what www.opensim.net <http://www.opensim.net> is all about?
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> The short story; It looks to me like someone (anonymous owner of 
>>> opensim.net <http://opensim.net>) has hijacked a name (opensim) he or 
>>> she may or may not have legal rights to with the (criminal) intent of 
>>> abusing a (free) product name for his or her own benefit.
>>>
>>> (Yeah, darn those feminists, can't "he" just cover both sexes?)
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> I really hope this doesn't mean that core developers have to spend 
>>> time on legal issues because some 14 year old wants to run his/her 
>>> own site. This is valuable time for professional developers that can 
>>> be spent on making OpenSim better instead of bitching to lawyers.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> [09:57:25] <Tedd1> 
>>> http://www.opensim.net/videos/opensim-tutorial-6-basic-avatar
>>>
>>> [09:57:28] <Tedd1> whats this? :)
>>>
>>> [09:58:05] <Tedd1> or rather this; http://www.opensim.net/
>>>
>>> [10:00:26] <sachaMagne_> no idea
>>>
>>> [10:00:52] <Tedd1> it seems to be ripping data directly from other sites
>>>
>>> [10:00:59] <phrearch> hey
>>>
>>> [10:01:00] <Tedd1> and pretending to "be" opensim
>>>
>>> [10:01:25] <Tedd1> view source -> Public Grid List Sorted <a 
>>> href="http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Grid_List/Sorted/Alphabetically"
>>>
>>> [10:02:25] <sachaMagne_> the opensimulator list is wrong anywat
>>>
>>> [10:02:46] <sachaMagne_> if you select different sorts, you will find 
>>> different result for the same grid
>>>
>>> [10:03:15] <Tedd1> page contains RSS feeds, steals lists from 
>>> opensimulator.org <http://opensimulator.org>, copy pastes info and 
>>> mixes it with lies and half baked truth without ever mentioning that 
>>> it is *NOT* opensim
>>>
>>> [10:03:28] <Tedd1> *RSS feeds from other pages (of course)
>>>
>>> [10:03:36] <Tedd1> so no actual contribution, a lot of stealing :)
>>>
>>> [10:04:09] <sachaMagne_> not a breaking news for RSS aggregator ... :/
>>>
>>> [10:07:22] <Tedd1> someone should probably contact the domain owner
>>>
>>> [10:07:41] <Tedd1> would be really pittyful if core members had to 
>>> spend time on legal issues to get some 14 year old to play nice
>>>
>>> [10:07:46] <sachaMagne_> i made a whois and the real owner is hidden
>>>
>>> [10:08:07] <Tedd1> time that could be spent on features, bugfixes, etc
>>>
>>> [10:08:51] <sachaMagne_> no legal information on the site itself
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Br,
>>>
>>>  Tedd
>>>
>>>
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