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On 23/08/10 17:32, diva at metaverseink.com wrote:
>  From the text of the license:
> "The logo design may be used, distributed or embedded in an unmodified
> form without attribution as long as the logo text ("...") remains on the
> image."
> I think this is a very good idea from Adam.
>
> Since all of these logos are derived from Adam's SVG image, we need to
> take his license into account.
>
> But really, I don't think that we should impose any license; artists
> should decide which license to use, and people should decide which
> images they want based on many factors, including the license. If some
> image comes with "you must attribute" that should be a factor in
> people's decision to use it or not. Maybe if the image is brilliant,
> people will use it with the requirement of attribution.
>
> Hence the strict requirement that each image linked from that page have
> an explicit license. If there is no license the image will be unlinked.

Okay, I have added this requirement to the wiki page, since it wasn't actually stated on there.

I would still not be happy if graphics that required attribution for OpenSimulator related usage were perceived as 
'official' project graphics.  Therefore, I have created a separate 'Community contributed graphics' section.

If we need to change this further then perhaps it's best discussed on the discussion tab of that wiki page.

>
> Justin Clark-Casey wrote:
>> On 23/08/10 17:04, diva at metaverseink.com wrote:
>>> The license that Adam gave to his SVG image has a couple of exemptions
>>> that are quite appropriate. Attribution is only required if the image is
>>> used outside the context of the OpenSimulator project; within the
>>> context of the project, attribution is not required. That's the license
>>> I gave to mine too. I suggest everyone uses those exemptions.
>>
>> What does the 'context of the OpenSimulator project' mean though? Does
>> it include anything at all to do with OpenSimulator or is is
>> restricted to only certain classes of use?
>>
>> I think that it's much easier to license these images under the well
>> known CC0 and have done with it, rather than having to create novel
>> exemptions which could be argued over later.
>>
>>>
>>> Justin Clark-Casey wrote:
>>>> On 23/08/10 16:54, diva at metaverseink.com wrote:
>>>>> For those who wish to contribute more of these images, here are some
>>>>> guidelines:
>>>>>
>>>>> - Unless your intent is to provide raw material for others to modify
>>>>> (like the SVG image, for example) do not make the ready-to-use logos
>>>>> big. The "Powered by OpenSimulator" logos should be DISCRETE. The
>>>>> one I
>>>>> made is 114x27, that should give an idea for what *I* mean by
>>>>> discrete.
>>>>> But don't take it from me. Have a look at "Powered by Apache" logos
>>>>> out
>>>>> there; that should give you an idea of what common sense suggests for
>>>>> these kinds of logos.
>>>>>
>>>>> - You need to include a license for the image(s) you upload and link
>>>>> from that page. Images without licenses will b removed from that page.
>>>>
>>>> Hi Diva. Could we require that this license be Creative Commons Zero?
>>>>
>>>> http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/
>>>>
>>>> The other creative commons licenses require attribution to the
>>>> original author. I don't think that this is appropriate for
>>>> community-contributed opensim logos. Of course, there's nothing to
>>>> stop people attributing if they want to do that, just that they're not
>>>> forced to do it by the license terms.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>> Crista
>>>>>
>>>>> diva at metaverseink.com wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I created a page for OpenSimulator graphics:
>>>>>> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OpenSim_Graphics
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you create variations of this art, and wish to make it publicly
>>>>>> available for others to use, please add it there in a similar manner
>>>>>> to the ones already there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>> Crista
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jeroen van Veen wrote:
>>>>>>> Do you have the same icon with an opaque background as well?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jeroen
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Saturday 21 August 2010 17:15:39 Rich White wrote:
>>>>>>>> Here is a chicklet icon perhaps to get the ball rolling:
>>>>>>>> http://twitpic.com/2gue0y
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ====
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 9:47 AM, <diva at metaverseink.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> P.S. For people who want to give credit to the project, the
>>>>>>>>> "correct" way
>>>>>>>>> of expressing it is
>>>>>>>>> "Powered by OpenSim".
>>>>>>>>> At some point it would be nice to have a logo with those words in
>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>> Examples:
>>>>>>>>> http://www.google.com/images?q=powered+by+apache&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> :en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=5eVvTPSNMYK
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2sAPu2cCXAg&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CCIQsAQwAA&
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> biw=1306&bih=933
>>>>>>>>> http://www.google.com/images?um=1&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> %3Aen-US%3Aofficial&biw=1306&bih=933&tbs=isch%3A1&sa=1&q=powered+by+CentO
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> S&aq=f&aqi=g1&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> diva at metaverseink.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> -1 on this.
>>>>>>>>>> I'm generally reluctant in using the term "OpenSim" for anything
>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>> than the name of this project. It's bad enough that bloggers and
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> public keep confusing the project with its uses, let's not
>>>>>>>>>> give any
>>>>>>>>>> more suggestions in that direction. OpenSim is the infrastructure
>>>>>>>>>> project, not its uses. The users of OpenSim are the world
>>>>>>>>>> operators,
>>>>>>>>>> not the people who login to these worlds.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In other words, when people login to an OpenSim-based world they
>>>>>>>>>> are not
>>>>>>>>>> "logging in to OpenSim"; they are logging in to a world that
>>>>>>>>>> someone
>>>>>>>>>> runs based on OpenSim. This may seem like an insignificant
>>>>>>>>>> distinction,
>>>>>>>>>> but it's not, it's huge.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So let's leave it with the generic message that is has now. The
>>>>>>>>>> config
>>>>>>>>>> var is there for people to customize it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ai Austin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> In a recent commit by Justin he suggested that if a change was
>>>>>>>>>>> made to
>>>>>>>>>>> the default viewer welcome message, it would be useful to get
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> thoughts of others first. I do appreciate that most folks will
>>>>>>>>>>> alter
>>>>>>>>>>> the string anyway, but it is useful out of the box to have
>>>>>>>>>>> useful
>>>>>>>>>>> messages. And I had suggested a change to help differentiate
>>>>>>>>>>> things a
>>>>>>>>>>> bit in an immediately visible form at the user end, and to
>>>>>>>>>>> brand the
>>>>>>>>>>> system in the default. Can I suggest this change and see what
>>>>>>>>>>> others
>>>>>>>>>>> think?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Opensim.ini.example "Welcome to OpenSim"
>>>>>>>>>>> Robust.ini.example "Welcome to OpenSim Grid"
>>>>>>>>>>> Robust.HG.ini.example "Welcome to OpenSim Hypergrid"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This would have the nice effect of differentiating which
>>>>>>>>>>> [Architecture]
>>>>>>>>>>> is being used immediately.
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