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Mon Aug 23 16:32:16 UTC 2010

 From the text of the license:
"The logo design may be used, distributed or embedded in an unmodified 
form without attribution as long as the logo text ("...") remains on the 
image."
I think this is a very good idea from Adam.

Since all of these logos are derived from Adam's SVG image, we need to 
take his license into account.

But really, I don't think that we should impose any license; artists 
should decide which license to use, and people should decide which 
images they want based on many factors, including the license. If some 
image comes with "you must attribute" that should be a factor in 
people's decision to use it or not. Maybe if the image is brilliant, 
people will use it with the requirement of attribution.

Hence the strict requirement that each image linked from that page have 
an explicit license. If there is no license the image will be unlinked.

Justin Clark-Casey wrote:
> On 23/08/10 17:04, diva at metaverseink.com wrote:
>> The license that Adam gave to his SVG image has a couple of exemptions
>> that are quite appropriate. Attribution is only required if the image is
>> used outside the context of the OpenSimulator project; within the
>> context of the project, attribution is not required. That's the license
>> I gave to mine too. I suggest everyone uses those exemptions.
> 
> What does the 'context of the OpenSimulator project' mean though?  Does 
> it include anything at all to do with OpenSimulator or is is restricted 
> to only certain classes of use?
> 
> I think that it's much easier to license these images under the well 
> known CC0 and have done with it, rather than having to create novel 
> exemptions which could be argued over later.
> 
>>
>> Justin Clark-Casey wrote:
>>> On 23/08/10 16:54, diva at metaverseink.com wrote:
>>>> For those who wish to contribute more of these images, here are some
>>>> guidelines:
>>>>
>>>> - Unless your intent is to provide raw material for others to modify
>>>> (like the SVG image, for example) do not make the ready-to-use logos
>>>> big. The "Powered by OpenSimulator" logos should be DISCRETE. The one I
>>>> made is 114x27, that should give an idea for what *I* mean by discrete.
>>>> But don't take it from me. Have a look at "Powered by Apache" logos out
>>>> there; that should give you an idea of what common sense suggests for
>>>> these kinds of logos.
>>>>
>>>> - You need to include a license for the image(s) you upload and link
>>>> from that page. Images without licenses will b removed from that page.
>>>
>>> Hi Diva. Could we require that this license be Creative Commons Zero?
>>>
>>> http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/
>>>
>>> The other creative commons licenses require attribution to the
>>> original author. I don't think that this is appropriate for
>>> community-contributed opensim logos. Of course, there's nothing to
>>> stop people attributing if they want to do that, just that they're not
>>> forced to do it by the license terms.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> Crista
>>>>
>>>> diva at metaverseink.com wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I created a page for OpenSimulator graphics:
>>>>> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OpenSim_Graphics
>>>>>
>>>>> If you create variations of this art, and wish to make it publicly
>>>>> available for others to use, please add it there in a similar manner
>>>>> to the ones already there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>> Crista
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeroen van Veen wrote:
>>>>>> Do you have the same icon with an opaque background as well?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jeroen
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Saturday 21 August 2010 17:15:39 Rich White wrote:
>>>>>>> Here is a chicklet icon perhaps to get the ball rolling:
>>>>>>> http://twitpic.com/2gue0y
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ====
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 9:47 AM, <diva at metaverseink.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> P.S. For people who want to give credit to the project, the
>>>>>>>> "correct" way
>>>>>>>> of expressing it is
>>>>>>>> "Powered by OpenSim".
>>>>>>>> At some point it would be nice to have a logo with those words in
>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>> Examples:
>>>>>>>> http://www.google.com/images?q=powered+by+apache&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> :en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=5eVvTPSNMYK 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2sAPu2cCXAg&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CCIQsAQwAA& 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> biw=1306&bih=933
>>>>>>>> http://www.google.com/images?um=1&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> %3Aen-US%3Aofficial&biw=1306&bih=933&tbs=isch%3A1&sa=1&q=powered+by+CentO 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> S&aq=f&aqi=g1&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> diva at metaverseink.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> -1 on this.
>>>>>>>>> I'm generally reluctant in using the term "OpenSim" for anything
>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>> than the name of this project. It's bad enough that bloggers and
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> public keep confusing the project with its uses, let's not give 
>>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>>> more suggestions in that direction. OpenSim is the infrastructure
>>>>>>>>> project, not its uses. The users of OpenSim are the world
>>>>>>>>> operators,
>>>>>>>>> not the people who login to these worlds.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In other words, when people login to an OpenSim-based world they
>>>>>>>>> are not
>>>>>>>>> "logging in to OpenSim"; they are logging in to a world that
>>>>>>>>> someone
>>>>>>>>> runs based on OpenSim. This may seem like an insignificant
>>>>>>>>> distinction,
>>>>>>>>> but it's not, it's huge.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So let's leave it with the generic message that is has now. The
>>>>>>>>> config
>>>>>>>>> var is there for people to customize it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ai Austin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> In a recent commit by Justin he suggested that if a change was
>>>>>>>>>> made to
>>>>>>>>>> the default viewer welcome message, it would be useful to get the
>>>>>>>>>> thoughts of others first. I do appreciate that most folks will
>>>>>>>>>> alter
>>>>>>>>>> the string anyway, but it is useful out of the box to have useful
>>>>>>>>>> messages. And I had suggested a change to help differentiate
>>>>>>>>>> things a
>>>>>>>>>> bit in an immediately visible form at the user end, and to
>>>>>>>>>> brand the
>>>>>>>>>> system in the default. Can I suggest this change and see what
>>>>>>>>>> others
>>>>>>>>>> think?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Opensim.ini.example "Welcome to OpenSim"
>>>>>>>>>> Robust.ini.example "Welcome to OpenSim Grid"
>>>>>>>>>> Robust.HG.ini.example "Welcome to OpenSim Hypergrid"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This would have the nice effect of differentiating which
>>>>>>>>>> [Architecture]
>>>>>>>>>> is being used immediately.
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