[Opensim-dev] The notion of "core"

[Ryan McDougall]

On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 12:36 PM, Teravus Ovares <teravus at gmail.com> wrote:
> You seem to have some negative feelings about us.   You have your own

You seem to have profoundly misunderstood my words yet again. I'm not
sure where you get "negative" from...

> fork though that you manage..   called Taiga.   Are you saying that

Taiga is comprised of OpenSim (although we now track JHurliman's
branch of ScienceSim), cable beach, and ModreX.

Given JHurliman's branch of opensim is a temporary git branch, calling
it a fork is quite a stretch. In fact it's quite my point that "fork"
is meaningless with DVCS.

Also, since we have no reX-specific modification, it's more like an
svn:external.

> you involve the community for all decisions about Taiga including who
> gets commit rights?    I seriously doubt it.

No, we use a web of trust system, ie. each current contributor gets to
decide on their own who gets commit access to SVN -- if we used git
even that distinction would become meaningless.

Ie, if you want commit access -- let me know, I'll set you up asap.

> This is a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

I think this is a case of not understanding what I'm talking about.
It's also not the first time you've done that to attack me publicly
even though you have my IM.

> Regards
>
> Teravus

Cheers,

>
> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 5:30 AM, Ryan McDougall <sempuki1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 12:21 PM, Dr Scofield <DrScofield at xyzzyxyzzy.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Ryan McDougall wrote:
>>>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Frisby, Adam <adam at deepthink.com.au> wrote:
>>>>> I disagree.
>>>>>
>>>>> * Commit Rights - those discussions cannot occur in public (although the discussion archives are open to committers after being invited), the reason for this is no-one can be frank & honest without hurting people's feelings.
>>>>
>>>> Firstly, I did waive discussion for commit access. I also waive money
>>>> and legal matters.
>>>>
>>>> Secondly, I disagree with the logic of the link, as it's premised
>>>> entirely on being honest might hurt someone's feelings. Honesty is not
>>>> a function of secrecy.
>>>
>>> i think honesty can be a facilitated by a discussion remaining confidential.
>>>
>>>> And the case of "there was a long drawn out
>>>> discussion about me in which I was not able to represent my myself"
>>>> causing hurt feelings is not considered.
>>>
>>> i can see that point, but i can also see the points made by adam respectively
>>> the points made in the F/OSS guidebook --- in balance (my personal one) i'd
>>> rather have core committers discuss whether i should have voting rights in private.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thirdly, I don't think snowcrash thing is about giving him commit
>>>> access. I don't think things are as neatly compartmentalized as is
>>>> told (though I could be wrong, it's hard to guess from a secret
>>>> mailing list).
>>>
>>> no, you are right on that one. it's a discussion about our understanding of
>>> licensing issues and whether there is indeed an issue here or not.
>>
>> In that case, unless core is comprised of lawyers, or confidential
>> legal advice is being directly quoted, it might be healthier to
>> discuss in public -- at least so it's readable by those who have a
>> stake in the community.
>>
>> Every community/OSS book that mentions private lists for limited use,
>> in the next breath cautions against over-use.
>>
>>> re compartmentalized: they are, at least we try very hard to.
>>>
>>>        DrS
>>> --
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>>> SL: dr scofield ---- drscofield at xyzzyxyzzy.net ---- http://xyzzyxyzzy.net/
>>> RL: hud at zurich.ibm.com - +41 44 724 8573 - http://www.zurich.ibm.com/~hud/
>>
>> Thanks for all the information -- it makes one feel in the loop an
>> having a voice.
>>
>> Cheers,
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