[Opensim-dev] RFC: Ways of creating profiles for creators who will never log in

Mon Mar 30 14:20:25 UTC 2009

I'll consider that 'point taken' and agree to agree with the legal edge-case
represented by LL, though I would point out that such whholesale exporting
of content is already well underway.
Thanks for taking the time to consider my views ;)

Cheers
James

On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Melanie <melanie at t-data.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> unfortunately, I believe the potential for abuse outstrips the
> usefulness here.
>
> The issue is not necessarily with individual creators, who would
> maybe be happy with proper attribution, but rather with Linden Labs.
> I believe they would take an interest if wholesale copying of
> content from the maingrid were to occur as something OpenSim, by
> software design, officially sanctions.
>
> There is a difference between "not possible", "possible but
> unsupported" and "fully supported in core". The latter needs to be
> avoided for reasons of liability.
>
> A Forge module comes to mind here.
>
> And, BTW, website profiles in SL can be disabled by the user, and
> many have done so. You can easily see this from the "Staff boards"
> in SL, which work by grabbing web profiles, as well as the user
> profile projector.
>
> Melanie
>
>
> James Stallings II wrote:
> > Perhaps So Mel, But........Where is the similar licensing or release from
> > obligation under license for the OS grid content?
> >
> > It seems to me there's a double standard in the offing here, whereby
> content
> > from the Linden Grid is hands-off for legal reasons, but not so much as a
> > tip of the hat in that direction when it comes to content from an OS
> grid.
> >
> > In every case I am aware of (a certain steamboat comes to mind), the
> > complaint from the content creator has not been that the content has been
> > relocated, but that their credit for it's creation has been 'removed' (we
> > know that it wasn't removed, just lost due to a lack of reference to the
> > creator from the originating grid).
> >
> > Now I'm not saying it will always be the case that the creator will be
> > comfortable with the content leaving the Linden Grid, but that seems to
> be
> > the predominant case.
> >
> > It would seem to me that a robust solution to this issue would at least
> > attempt to address content imported from the Linden Grid, as there will
> very
> > likely be scenarios in the not-too-distant future in which the creator
> > allows content to be imported from the Linden Grid, and it would seem to
> me
> > that preservation of the creators identity across grids would go a long
> way
> > towards easing many of these 'theft of content' concerns on the part of
> > content creators.
> >
> > Just my 0.02$L
> >
> > Cheers
> > James/Hiro/daTwitch
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 8:43 AM, Diva Canto <diva at metaverseink.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >>  The origin of this thread was OARs and IARs (for content porting
> between
> >> OpenSims), and foreign users (for the HG). I don't think there was ever
> any
> >> intention of grabbing profiles from Second Life, although, as far as I
> know,
> >> those profiles are available on the web so it would be technically
> feasible
> >> to do it, but it would probably have to be special-cased.
> >>
> >> James Stallings II wrote:
> >>
> >> There are some strong ideas here for the future, but I think that the
> >> original problem has been lost in the mix (or perhaps I missed something
> in
> >> the thread, not entirely out of the question ;)
> >>  Unless I am mistaken, the real problem is older content imported from
> SL
> >> - how to preserve the creator ID of such content?
> >>
> >>  The scenario, I am sure, is not unfamiliar:
> >>
> >>  OS user purchases full rights content on the Linden Grid; OS user,
> >> through hook or crook, imports said content, because he has no intention
> of
> >> ever using it on the Linden Grid; creator of said content discovers that
> the
> >> content has been relocated and cries foul because his/her creator
> >> identification has been 'removed'.
> >>
> >>  While the foregoing discussions itt address the potentiality of this
> >> scenario as it would occur when the content originates on an OS grid,
> what
> >> do we do about preservation of the ID of the creator of content from
> that
> >> distant but arguably compatible foreign grid we all know and love so
> well?
> >>
> >>  Cheers
> >> James/Hiro/daTwitch
> >>
> >>  On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 7:08 AM, Sean Dague <sdague at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Melanie wrote:
> >>> > I am absolutely sure that I would not went HG to ever, EVER, insert
> >>> > user records or profile records into my database. I strongly favor
> >>> > the "URL" approach, which is neutral as far as my database goes.
> >>>
> >>>  Ok, so then hash those urls for UUIDs to present to the viewer?  We
> >>> still need a UUID in the object definitions for the viewer so that
> >>> people can see the creator.
> >>>
> >>>        -Sean
> >>>
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